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| − | '''Mar 14, 2017''' - Dani, Martin, Alex
| + | See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes |
| − | * Dani: '''Java 9 readiness''' - see [https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/cross-project-issues-dev cross-project-issues-dev]
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| − | ** Step 1: For testing, just download a Java 9 beta JVM, add the module -- all testing is possible from commandline
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| − | *** Platform team has an install, but Mike was concerned about legal issues - a bug is open to allow all simrel access
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| − | ** Step 2: Running the JDeps tools as per the [[Java 9 Readiness]] wiki can show violations
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| − | *** Can even run with Java 8, Dani ran it on simrel, it's looking mostly good, only Orbit shows violations
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| − | *** Platform team has some scripts; for Hudson there's even a Mojo, but it aborts when it finds a violation.
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| − | ** Step 3: Reflection - Will only figure out when knowing the code or testing
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| − | ** All these 3 tests can be done without the Java 9 patch in PDE. Only for debugging, one needs to self-host.
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| − | *** This can be done either with Ed's Oomph support, or via the Marketplace
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| − | ** Platform team is still negotiating options for better support with Oracle
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| − | * Dani: '''JUnit 5''' considers cutting down features for aligning with Oxygen
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| − | ** Decision to align, contributing support to Oxygen Update 1 in September
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| − | * Dani: '''2 Platform Issues in M6'''
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| − | ** platform.ui reexports everything including jface - lower bundles not updated - JDT may fail if installed (fixed for M7)
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| − | ** major version uprev: interface not marked as @noimplement; reverting the version, people who loaded Friday's M6 would never get any updates any more; decision to stick to the version uprev, since the respective bundle is not used a lot
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| − | *** In general, accidental major version uprev should be reverted because the error would stay around for long and might break existing binary bundles who can't be fixed any more
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| − | *** In this case, it was OK to keep since the bundle isn't used much
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| − | * Alex: '''Generic Editor and Testing'''
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| − | ** Looking very good already - only 1/3 of the code needed for getting the same feature set as with existing methods for creating editors
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| − | ** Looking for features to add missing documentation (workflows, use-cases like converting existing editors): End goal is to provide everything that the JDT Editor is providing
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| − | ** Dani: Likes replacement of pages on multipage editors, and some new editors; would not consider replacing the JDT editor
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| − | ** In the Platform.ISV docs bundle, there should be a section for "how to write your own editor"
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| − | <hr/>
| + | March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars |
| − | '''Mar 7, 2017''' - Dani, Martin, Alex, Sergey, Lars
| + | * Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure |
| − | * Dani: '''4.6.3 Updates''' - Looking good, Equinox bugs moved out by Tom | + | * Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather |
| − | * Dani: '''4.7M7 Update''' - Infrastructure issues but testing looks OK (except Mac which is not built yet) | + | * For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue, all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ. |
| − | * Dani: '''Java 9 / Planning Council Update''' - Postponing Oxygen was discussed but denied; late July update being considered
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| − | ** See the [https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/ eclipse.org-planning-council archives]
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| − | * Lars: '''Platform.Resources Leadership''' after Sergey Leaving
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| − | ** Dani pinged Szymon, will continue discussion when we hear back; merging with platform.ui is one option
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| − | ** Sergey: The "Team" and "Resources/Filesystem" parts could be considered separately. Consider merging Team into UI. | + | |
| − | ** Alex: One top Platform Project would make sense now...
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| − | ** Dani: reconsider when McQ is back. In the past, SWT was seen as separate.
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| − | ** Dani: Releng needs to be separate and protected because Releng committers can also change Hudson jobs, shut down servers etc where no history is kept
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| − | <hr/>
| + | February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ |
| − | '''Feb 28, 2017''' - Sergey, Alex, Martin, McQ
| + | * IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future |
| − | * Alex: '''Short update on Neon.3''' | + | * Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it |
| − | ** 2 jdt.core bugs asking for PMC approval - regressions compared to Neon.2, approved
| + | * Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures |
| − | ** PPC rebuild is in, so looking good | + | ** building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho |
| − | * Sergey will leave Eclipse work after end of March | + | * Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla |
| − | * Martin: '''RCPTT / Reddeer / Testing'''
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| − | ** Reddeer: No tests that check Platform only - everything is on higher level today (WTP, server connectors etc)
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| − | ** Runs on Neon.2 right now inside RH - the infrastructure isn't built for consuming daily builds
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| − | ** Would take some effort reducing to Platform only - no time for this in the RH team at the moment | + | |
| − | ** '''AI Martin''' will look at integrating RCPTT as time permits; would like {{bug|505826}} resolved ideally | + | |
| − | * McQ will be out next 2 weeks
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| − | <hr/>
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| − | '''Feb 21, 2017''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, Lars, Sergey
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| − | * Lars: {{Bug|512273}} Allow any committer to retrigger Gerrit validation, and {{Bug|512319}} allow rebase
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| − | ** '''Agreement''' to allow retrigger for anyone, but rebase should be done by committers working on a contribution
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| − | ** Dani: Not clear where to retrigger (Sergey: it's discoverable once permission is there)
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| − | ** '''AI Lars''' follow up on the bug
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| − | * Martin: '''UI Testing'''
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| − | ** [http://eclipse.org/rcptt RCPTT] is completely Open Source; commercial server could be used for load balancing tests but this is not necessary
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| − | ** Alex: Interested in Reddeer for upstreaming tests that already exist at RH; good reports about stability and scalability at RH
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| − | ** When we decide which way we go, we need a plan who's doing the work (create the tests). Maintenance would depend on their structure.
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| − | ** Some Reddeer tests already upstreamed with WTP and Linuxtools
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| − | ** Lars: Where would the tests live? - In a common project accessible to all, or with the component they test ?
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| − | *** Lars, Dani: Since these are functional end-to-end, should live in their own repository, accessible by all committers.
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| − | ** '''AI Martin''' follow-up with Jubula. Try RCPTT on Windows and Linux. Give feedback till next week.
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| − | ** '''AI Alex''' share list of Reddeer tests existing at RH
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| − | ** '''AI Lars''' play with the Reddeer API
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| − | * Dani: '''Update on PPC''' drop 32-bit, build 64-bit both le and be on RH VMs {{bug|512224}}
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| − | ** Alex: ppc64 currently built on Fedora 25; could build on REL7 if foundation requests a machine from RH Brno Farm '''AI Alex and Dani''' ask Denis
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| − | * Dani: '''Neon.3 RC3''' please keep an eye on builds
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| − | * Dani: Away this Friday afternoon and whole next week
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| + | '''January 19, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ |
| − | '''Feb 15, 2017''' | + | * Eclipse aggregator build is currently migrated to Github |
| | + | * Github migration work of the aggregator is documented in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=577323 |
| | + | * The most important PGP work items are done with the help of Ed Merks, some secondary issues are still missing, e.g. such features are shown as unsigned |
| | + | * JFR Event are discussed in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=578055, PMC members should check so that we can discuss it next week |
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| − | <hr/>
| + | '''January 12, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ |
| − | '''Feb 8, 2017''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, Lars | + | * Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council |
| − | * Dani: '''{{bug|509412}}''' - Adopt newer JSch for Platform 4.6.3 | + | ** Well received so far |
| − | ** Alex is fully consumed with Webkit work for Oxygen | + | ** 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch |
| − | ** Need to move target platform to the latest Orbit in order to pick up the new JSch; that might cause other changes, since Orbit retention policy keeps only one version | + | ** we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel |
| − | ** Dani: Cherry-pick the new JSch recipe to the Orbit Maintenance Branch ?
| + | ** Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes |
| − | ** Martin: Looks like in the past, new Orbit R-Builds were made for Maintenance ... but with the move of Orbit to git, it is unclear how branch builds for Neon.x would be made | + | ** only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03 |
| − | * Dani: '''Update on RT PMC (Equinox) coming to Platform''' | + | *** To be further discussed if such an issue happens |
| − | ** Tom Watson is in favor, reached out to Wayne for process | + | * ECF relation |
| − | ** Potentially move entire IP log, but IP team is currently busy with CQs for Oxygen | + | ** Project is heavily under resourced |
| − | * Dani: '''Finally Unblocked on Java Language Server'''
| + | ** No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations |
| − | ** Dirk from Microsoft signed the committer agreement
| + | ** Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go |
| − | * Dani: '''Scenarios for UI Testing''' | + | ** Possible plan |
| − | ** Initial Scenario from the PMC Notes can already be used; once that works, could extend to more | + | *** Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on |
| − | * Dani: '''Sign Up for Security Rep''' | + | *** If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector |
| − | ** See [https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/tools-pmc/msg03927.html Wayne's message to PMCs] requesting PMC attendance | + | *** Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency |
| − | ** John Arthorne used to be the Security Rep; | + | |
| − | ** Tasks: Follow the security mailing list; currently low volume but might get higher with IoT getting up speed | + | |
| − | ** '''RESOLUTION: Alex agrees to sign up''' since already following security issues
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| − | * Dani+Alex: '''libswt-gtk3 natives for PPC'''
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| − | ** Alex: Trying to limit the list of supported GTK versions to maximum 2; now at the latest GTK2 version
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| − | ** Currently, only Intel builds do both GTK2 and GTK3; PowerPC only does GTK2; the current hardware is unable to install REL7
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| − | ** Would prefer building at the Foundation over using custom company hardware; cost of hardware is around 50K | + | |
| − | ** Primary Platforms should be built at the Foundation, secondary builds can be contributed ... should Linux-PPC be considered primary ? | + | |
| − | ** Alex could easily provide a Fedora Platform, but it would be much newer than anything else that's around; ARM32 and ARM64 builds are already provided by Fedora
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| − | ** If somebody (IBM) needs an older version like CentOS, it would need to be provided by such adopters | + | |
| − | ** '''AI Dani+McQ''' find out on priority of Linux-PPC (32bit, 64bit)
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| − | * Alex: '''Update on Reddeer Testing Framework''' | + | |
| − | ** A new version is being written, that no longer uses SWTBot underneath; there's a plan making this an Eclipse project | + | |
| − | ** Engineers claim that after the rewrite it's a lot more stable recognizing widgets than on top of SWTBot
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| − | ** Martin has been looking at [http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/tutorials/rcp-testing-tool-rcptt-basic-tutorial/ RCPTT] which looks promising initially (easy to record tests) but unclear how stable such tests would be.
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| − | ** (call had to be closed at this point)
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| − | <hr/>
| + | = Archive = |
| − | <strike>Feb 1, 2017 - cancelled</strike>
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| − | <hr/>
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| − | '''Jan 24, 2017''' - Dani, Lars, Martin, Alex
| + | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2021 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2021]] |
| − | * Dani: '''New Jetty Version''' - Alex will look at it after FOSDEM (Feb 7)
| + | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2020 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2020]] |
| − | * Dani: '''javax.xml''' - Plan to announce removal from the feature on cross-project for M6
| + | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]] |
| − | ** Cannot remove from the compile prerequisites, because plugins still on Java 5 need it
| + | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]] |
| − | * Alex: '''[http://jboss-reddeer.github.io/reddeer/ Reddeer Testing Framework]''' | + | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]] |
| − | ** JBoss Tools uses Reddeer for overall user story validation | + | |
| − | ** Lars: Why wasn't the framework added to SWTBot? -
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| − | *** Reddeer is not a framework, it's meant as a test harness library - smaller scope than SWTBot or Jubula
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| − | *** API Stability across multiple Eclipse versions is out of scope, thus created outside Eclipse for now
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| − | ** Martin: Any improvements in object recognition compared to plain SWTBot?
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| − | *** Reddeer tries to make use of the best mechanisms from SWTBot for object recognition (Finder, or callbots). That saves users from making newbie mistakes in SWTBot, but apart from that it's no better
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| − | *** No solution for external (non-Eclipse) dialogs ... that's not doable in SWT | + | |
| − | ** Lars: EclipseSource people have been talking about [http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/tutorials/rcp-testing-tool-rcptt-basic-tutorial/ RCPTT], it might be able to deal with native tooltips etc
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| − | ** Dani and Lars think Jubula is too heaviweight; might work for Integration Builds, but not for individual developer's builds. Local setup must be really easy. Also, setup looks non-trivial, needs resources to work on ... and, doesn't seem to add much benefit over SWTBot (assuming that Jubula agent doesn't hook into native libs like win32, Cocoa or GTK). | + | |
| − | *** Alex: Especially integration in Maven may be hard.
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| − | ** Alex: Main limitation is that we don't have resources to actually create tests. Suggest reaching out for help asking people who would actually create tests ... then use whatever framework that people would like to use.
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| − | ** Dani and Lars won't be able to come up with a workflow scenario before end of next week --> Alex will come up with an idea since he has meetings on Monday.
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| − | *** Dani: Launch Eclipse, choose a workspace, open the package explorer, create a Java project (helloworld). Expand later, maybe into quick assist.
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| − | *** '''AI Alex''' to demo Reddeer in 2 weeks
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| − | *** '''AI Martin''' to try installing Jubula until next week
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| − | *** '''AI Martin''' ping Sergey re: asking for help on Platform/Resources.
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| − | '''Jan 17, 2017''' - Dani, Sergey, Alex, Lars, Martin, McQ
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| − | * Sergey: '''Merging platform.resources with platform.ui'''
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| − | ** Seems that more contributions to platform.resources are made by platform.ui committers, than others. Only 2 platform.resources committers seem active (and those two are actually platform.ui committers as well)
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| − | *** Opening up to Platform UI would encourage more people to actually contribute to resources. Strive for shared access on components that are interrelated
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| − | ** Dani: Merging into platform.ui would mean making Dani and Lars the leaders for signoff - that causes too much burden
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| − | ** Sergey: Platform/Team has actually more synergy with Platform/UI than resources
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| − | ** Alex: For gcc for example, there is a notion of "maintainers" per git repo for signoffs - that's independent of leadership or commit rights
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| − | *** McQ: Not sure how adding another role would simplify things ?
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| − | ** Sergey: The problem for signoffs is not is much the volume of commits, but the volume of failing tests
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| − | ** Alex: The manpower of Platform Resources is so low by now that even {{bug|509412}} was not being filed ... existing committers do not really seem to "own" the project any more, this is an indication for merging
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| − | ** Martin: Can't see how merging into a bigger entity would resolve the "ownership" problem. Perhaps make interested contributors Platform/Resources committers instead, and see how to resolve the ownership issue on the smaller scope ?
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| − | ** McQ: Propose applying the recent simplification of gaining commit rights (for "known" committers)
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| − | * Lars: '''Removing javax.xml''' | + | |
| − | ** Was introduced only for very old JRE's , it is part of the JRE now
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| − | ** Martin: Might cause a uses constraint issue since not exporting the package with version any more, see http://njbartlett.name/2011/09/02/uses-constraints.html
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| − | ** Lars: With javax.annotation, that was solved with smart reexporting
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| − | ** McQ: OK with removal when we can confirm we're not breaking things
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| − | ** Dani: Whoever requested removal should double-check whether the API is the same.
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| − | **'''AI Lars''' send a note to Tom Watson as the submitter.
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| − | * Dani: '''Project Updates'''
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| − | ** Deadlines upcoming for CQs and APIs - see Endgame Plan, please provide feedback
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| − | * McQ: '''UI Testing and Jubula'''
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| − | '''Jan 10, 2017''' - Dani, Lars, Martin, Alex, Sergey, McQ - Special Guest: Alex Schladebeck
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| − | * Dani: '''Platform Bits on Maven Central''' - Now available thanks to Stephan Herrmann
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| − | * Dani: '''Board Committer Rep Elections''' opening
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| − | * Dani: After David Williams' move, Wayne is looking for a Planning Council Chair; Fred Gurr has taken over Simrel Releng
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| − | * Dani: objenesis (Mockito / Easymock dependency) and Java9 - will wait for how upstream is planning to address issues
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| − | * Lars: '''Equinox move to Platform''' - no updates - '''AI Dani''' talk to Tom again
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| − | * McQ / AlexS: '''Jubula'''
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| − | ** In the past, with lots of full-time Platform committers, sniff tests just happened automatically giving great confidence. Now, with more part-time work happening, there is more need for end-to-end workflow test automation to give quality confidence
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| − | ** Martin: On top of low-level JUnit tests, want at least very few highlevel end-to-end test to avoid "Eclipse looking silly". Need UI tests that are really stable (avoid random failures)
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| − | ** Dani: On EGit SWTBot tests, too many libraries to install, how to run on Gerrit HIPP slaves
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| − | ** AlexS: Original Jubula goal was to allow non-programmers write tests. Beginning 2015, the client API (for controlling the SUT) was separated from the front-end, was separated from the ITE. This allows writing UI tests programmatically, and avoids the need for a database.
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| − | *** For identifying components/actions to write tests, officially an object mapping needs to be done in the front-end (ITE, integrated test environment). But there may be a shortcut available for getting object IDs
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| − | *** Compared to SWTBot, Jubula is 90% blackbox (code highlevel actions rather than things like calling setText())
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| − | *** UI Tests typically take longer than unittests by definition (due to setup, teardown, ...), so might not be applicable for Gerrit triggers
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| − | *** Dani: Would like to run a first test on CentOS first, as part of the integration tests
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| − | *** Lars: Robustness of the tests? - SWT on Mac is problematic, but Linux and Windows should be OK.
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| − | *** Martin: Dependencies? - Around 5MB Libs, plus the agent needs to be installed (around 100MB). Once that is there, tests are stand-alone on a laptop. There might also be an "embedded agent" but not sure ('''AI AlexS to check''')
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| − | *** Getting a first test up and running ? - Maybe around 1 week, depends on what to do ?
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| − | **** Lars: Would like something for quick access. Martin would something for "fresh download" (fresh config area + workspace) maybe combined with quick access.
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| − | *** '''AI AlexS''' send slides
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| − | *** '''AI Dani + Lars''' propose scenarios. Check possible owners of the initiative on Platform/UI side
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| − | *** '''AI AlexS''' check possible PlatformUI Contributors from Jubula team to get started
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| − | = Archive =
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| | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]] | | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]] |
| | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]] | | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]] |
