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= Documents =
 
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
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'''April 24, 2013''' - John, Dani, Martin
 
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* Dani: '''Upload Freeze Plan'''
 
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* Dani: '''Java 8 Update'''
 
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* John: '''Pawel stepping down as Platform/Debug Lead'''
 
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** Leaves Pin & Clone orphaned for next year. Working sets for expression view also not in Kepler.
 
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See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes
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'''April 17, 2013''' - John, Dani, Martin
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* Martin: '''New Classic Package''' - Will commit SDK branding, and Egit Capability def
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** CSS - Should inherit proper styling from Platform (most probably OK)
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* John: '''API Baselines''' - remind teams to set API baselines
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* Martin: {{bug|402509}} context menu filtering - request gentle nudge
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* John: [[Platform_UI/Plan/4.3 |Triage of Platform UI issues to be addressed]]
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March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars
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* Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
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* Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
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* For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue,  all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.
  
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February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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'''April 3, 2013''' - McQ, Dani, John, Andrew
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* IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
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* John: Kepler draft plan update ready, please take a look and provide comments
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* Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
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* We discussed EclipseCon. It was a very good event for Eclipse project. On desktop community is moving forward on Eclipse 4. There was lots of good feedback, and very little grumbling. Orion was very well represented, lots of talks and demos from several companies adopting it.
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* Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
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** building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
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* Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla
  
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'''March 20, 2013''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Andrew
 
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* Dani: '''Java 8''' - jdt.core making very good progress - almost everything compiles in the editor
 
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* Dani: '''pom files update''' - to be discussed in the arch call
 
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* Martin: {{bug|402509}} '''Context Menus''' - no feedback, ping again
 
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* Martin: {{bug|145635}} '''Pin & Clone'''
 
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** Dani - the feature itself is good and makes sense, would also like it in JDT
 
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** '''The UI metaphor is new and would need some testing in the Field''' - McQ would like the patch in ASAP in a way that doesn't cause more swirl to start experimenting
 
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** CDT would need to adopt it, upstream changes needed
 
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** Current implementation showed quite a lot of ripples and bugs
 
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*** Current impl breaks existing workflows, that's the big problem
 
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** John: only 1 milestone left, if it appears in M7 and breaks any adopters they have little time to react;
 
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*** Can loop-in JDT and CDT, but there might be others ...
 
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*** Was PTP involved in any way ? They could also be broken, they have very special requirements
 
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** McQ: Do we have ownership of this work ? - If we have a clear need and a clear owner working on it we could give it a try
 
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** '''AI Martin''' (1) Clarify with CDT why they didn't like the feature and what are their plans; all the rest comes after that eg PTP, Pawel, can it be done in a non-breaking way
 
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* John: {{bug|402912}} '''Significant Memory Leak in M6''' fixed this week: noticable if eclipse running for a long time
 
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** Workaround for M6: Turn off Workbench Autosave feature by setting it to 0
 
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** ''AI Post to cross-project'' - people doing demos at Eclipsecon might want to use the workaround
 
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* Martin: {{bug|397896}} '''New Classic Package''' - initial package done but unusable while the SDK branding bundle's contents is not migrated
 
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** Martin will continue pushing for this to happen - fallback would be not
 
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** Not much risk in judging whether it's good or not, only binary diff needed
 
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* John: {{bug|380325}} '''Java 7 filesystem fragment'''
 
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** McQ do we know performance implications, could we get rid of the native bundles ?
 
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** Martin would like to have the fragment in all builds, to make it easier to test performance etc implications
 
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* Martin: {{bug|403589}} '''eclipse.inf'''
 
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** Different binary bits depending on distribution channel is bad ... Tycho removed
 
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** Defect in post-processing (why does it add eclipse.inf) or defect in bundle preparation (why isn't eclipse.inf in there) ?
 
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** Maybe related to pack200 conditioning - Martin thinks that eclipse.inf was used in the past as a marker to know whether pack200 conditioning has happened ... now downstream aggregator conditions and adds eclipse.inf
 
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** '''AI John investigate'''
 
  
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'''January 19, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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'''March 13, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin, Dani
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* Eclipse aggregator build is currently migrated to Github
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* Andrew: '''{{bug|397896}} final throughts on the EPP package'''
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* Github migration work of the aggregator is documented in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=577323
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** Move forward with [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=397896#c17 ]
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* The most important PGP work items are done with the help of Ed Merks, some secondary issues are still missing, e.g. such features are shown as unsigned
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** Testing - could find someone if it's just "use during the test pass"
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* JFR Event are discussed in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=578055, PMC members should check so that we can discuss it next week
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** Q: Can the EPP build be done frequently so it's available 1 week before the milestone for testing ?
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* Martin: '''{{bug|402509}} context menu filtering'''
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** Would like to get some advice from Platform on the approach; some trajectory of a solution moving forward
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** Not a must-have for Kepler, but would like to see where this is heading
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** '''AI McQ''' find Platform folk to discuss this
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* John: '''Eclipse 4 API Status'''
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** Publishing a "usable subset" of the former provisional API as final: model, core services; consume injection
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** Allows building a real Eclipse 4 App now on API
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*** Mostly clean-up, documentation; removing some bad stuff
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*** Writing an App on Kepler E4 API might actually be able to run on Juno
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** Some of the advanced stuff remains provisional for now, eg define injection
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* John: '''Plan Update''' - No permission to update in the PMI
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* McQ: '''CBI''' / Bad Launcher
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** Have an idea that doing some little extra work after the CBI build might be good enough for now
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** HP-UX CBI Build doesn't start out of the box (will likely stay a known issue for M6)
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* Martin: '''{{bug|380325}} Java7 EFS Plugin''': Build ?
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'''January 12, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ
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'''March 6, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew
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* Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
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* Martin: '''{{bug|402509}} context menu filtering'''
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** Well received so far
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** AI Martin ask engineers document what we're doing today
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** 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
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* Martin: '''{{bug|397896}} EPP vs Classic''' - how to proceed
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** we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
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** Martin's recent findings on Marketplace
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** Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
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*** There's p2, Marketplace, Packages in the Open but they are only parts of the solution
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** only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
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*** There's commercial installers from EclipseSource (Yoxos), Genuitec, IBM
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*** To be further discussed if such an issue happens
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*** John: p2 simplified UI (eg Webtools Server Adaptors; Mylyn)
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* ECF relation
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** What's missing ? David too booked ?
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** Project is heavily under resourced
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* John: '''CBI Builds in Kepler''' - SDK in good shape but repo and Equinox downloadpage not quite right yet, some might take until M6
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** No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
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* John: '''Delete old Platform/UI Branches''' - any PMC Policy ? No, convert branches to tags
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** Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
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* John: '''API Freeze next week''' - some (modest) new Eclipse 4 API's
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** Possible plan
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** McQ recommends going for a "complete, but minimal subset of what people will want to do", rather than too many convenience methods
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*** Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
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** John: Some API has been provisional for 3 years - can't make wholesale changes now for the fun of it
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*** If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
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*** May phase in some changes by adding @noreference rather than deleting stuff
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*** Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency
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*** In some cases there's pressure to use interfaces rather than classes, in order to be able and leverage Java 8 constructs
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* Orion - anybody going to JSConf ?
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= Archive =
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'''February 27, 2013''' - John, Andrew, Dani
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* Nothing noteworthy
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2021 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2021]]
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'''February 20, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2020 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2020]]
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* John: '''Orion Release Review''', please give feedback
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
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'''February 13, 2013'''
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
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* {{bug|156134}} re-exporting debug dependencies
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
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'''February 6, 2013''' - John, Dani, Martin
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* John: '''M5a and SR2 RC4'''
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* John: Pawel and Platform / Debug work (Pin & Clone)
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** Only adopt when it's really ready and satisfies all criteria, otherwise not into Kepler
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** Maybe pull out Debug plugins into a feature of their own ?
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'''January 30, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* John: '''SR2 RC3''' looking good - want to know about any remaining issues
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* Dani: '''Java 8 Update''' - Markus Keller will move from JDT UI to JDT Core, taking over JSR-308
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* John: '''NODE Dependency in Orion (exempt pre-req)'''
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** Not shipping NODE ourselves, pushing to NODE package manager instead (or clone from git)
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** Andrew: Is it a workswith ?
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** Martin: Is there any overlap with the Java portion ?
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*** The server code is completely distinct from Java, but the same client can interact with both
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'''January 24, 2013''' -
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* Martin: '''4.3 and 3.8 dual-stream''' - [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools#themes_and_priorities Webtools project plan]
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** egit, mylyn, dtp have been doing both n + n-1 for a long time
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** Technically, running on both should be possible if Platform API is used (except for the changes in Theming)
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** The Eclipse Community needs to advance the latest (4.3)
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** IBM product teams have been told not to forward at all if they can't forward to 4.x - shipping on 4.2
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** John: Having '''wider ranges of tolerance''' is something we should be able to do (otherwise our plugin system is failing)
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** John: Java8 will be the first killer feature in 4.x
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* Dani: '''Java 8'''
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** Will provide feature patches as soon as it makes sense - early draft, participating in expert group
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** Want to have the compiler and editor ready when Java 8 goes GA - initial refactoring etc in SR1 - full feature set in the next release
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* John: '''CBI update'''
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** Consider switch after M5
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'''January 17, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin
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* John: '''{{bug|397896}} EPP vs Classic'''
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** Could volunteer to own the EPP package from Platform POV
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** Then Wayne would own the decision of RCP/RAP vs Classic - what's the difference, keep both or unify
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* John: '''Test Failures on I-Builds'''
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** Move away tests that have been failing for 9 months
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** Dani: Most tests are actually down to 0 failures
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* John: '''CBI / Maven Builds'''
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** Appears to be fragile at the moment - Maven .micro releases are breaking the build!
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'''January 10, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin
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* McQ: '''CBI''' - Switching Platform build to CBI for SR2 is not doable
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** Want to make CBI work for Juno since it's the LTS stream
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** CBI SDK builds are good at this point, it's only a couple of minor issues (shape of repos, download page, ...
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** When to switch to CBI in the Kepler Stream ? - Proposal do do it immediately
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* CBI patches waiting for Platform to pick up
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'''January 3, 2013''' - McQ, Andrew, John, Dani
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* Andrew will recommend good conferences to promote Orion
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= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]

Latest revision as of 10:39, 28 September 2022

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes

March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
  • Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
  • For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue, all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.

February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

  • IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
  • Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
  • Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
    • building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
  • Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla


January 19, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

January 12, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ

  • Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
    • Well received so far
    • 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
    • we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
    • Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
    • only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
      • To be further discussed if such an issue happens
  • ECF relation
    • Project is heavily under resourced
    • No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
    • Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
    • Possible plan
      • Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
      • If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
      • Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency

Archive

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