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= Documents =
 
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
  
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'''March 20, 2013''' - McQ, Dani, Martin
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See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes
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* Dani: '''Java 8''' - jdt.core making very good progress - almost everything compiles in the editor
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* Dani: '''pom files update''' - to be discussed in the arch call
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* Martin: {{bug|402509}} '''Context Menus''' - no feedback, ping again
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* Martin: {{bug|145635}} '''Pin & Clone'''
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** Dani - the feature itself is good and makes sense, would also like it in JDT
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** '''The UI metaphor is new and would need some testing in the Field''' - McQ would like the patch in ASAP in a way that doesn't cause more swirl to start experimenting
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** CDT would need to adopt it, upstream changes needed
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** Current implementation showed quite a lot of ripples and bugs
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*** Current impl breaks existing workflows, that's the big problem
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** John: only 1 milestone left, if it appears in M7 and breaks any adopters they have little time to react;
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*** Can loop-in JDT and CDT, but there might be others ...
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*** Was PTP involved in any way ? They could also be broken, they have very special requirements
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** McQ: Do we have ownership of this work ? - If we have a clear need and a clear owner working on it we could give it a try
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** '''AI Martin''' (1) Clarify with CDT why they didn't like the feature and what are their plans; all the rest comes after that eg PTP, Pawel, can it be done in a non-breaking way
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* John: {{bug|______}} '''Significant Memory Leak in M6''' fixed this week: noticable if eclipse running for a long time
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** Workaround for M6: Turn off Workbench Autosave feature by setting it to 0
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** ''AI Post to cross-project'' - people doing demos at Eclipsecon might want to use the workaround
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* Martin: {{bug|397896}} '''New Classic Package''' - initial package done but unusable while the SDK branding bundle's contents is not migrated
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** Martin will continue pushing for this to happen - fallback would be not
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** Not much risk in judging whether it's good or not, only binary diff needed
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* John: {{bug|380325}} '''Java 7 filesystem fragment'''
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** McQ do we know performance implications, could we get rid of the native bundles ?
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** Martin would like to have the fragment in all builds, to make it easier to test performance etc implications
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* Martin: {{bug|403589}} '''eclipse.inf'''
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** Different binary bits depending on distribution channel is bad ... Tycho removed
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** Defect in post-processing (why does it add eclipse.inf) or defect in bundle preparation (why isn't eclipse.inf in there) ?
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** Maybe related to pack200 conditioning - Martin thinks that eclipse.inf was used in the past as a marker to know whether pack200 conditioning has happened ... now downstream aggregator conditions and adds eclipse.inf
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** '''AI John investigate'''
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March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars
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'''March 13, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin, Dani
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* Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
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* Andrew: '''{{bug|397896}} final throughts on the EPP package'''
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* Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
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** Move forward with [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=397896#c17 ]
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* For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue, all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.
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** Testing - could find someone if it's just "use during the test pass"
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** Q: Can the EPP build be done frequently so it's available 1 week before the milestone for testing ?
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* Martin: '''{{bug|402509}} context menu filtering'''
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** Would like to get some advice from Platform on the approach; some trajectory of a solution moving forward
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** Not a must-have for Kepler, but would like to see where this is heading
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** '''AI McQ''' find Platform folk to discuss this
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* John: '''Eclipse 4 API Status'''
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** Publishing a "usable subset" of the former provisional API as final: model, core services; consume injection
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** Allows building a real Eclipse 4 App now on API
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*** Mostly clean-up, documentation; removing some bad stuff
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*** Writing an App on Kepler E4 API might actually be able to run on Juno
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** Some of the advanced stuff remains provisional for now, eg define injection
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* John: '''Plan Update''' - No permission to update in the PMI
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* McQ: '''CBI''' / Bad Launcher
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** Have an idea that doing some little extra work after the CBI build might be good enough for now
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** HP-UX CBI Build doesn't start out of the box (will likely stay a known issue for M6)
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* Martin: '''{{bug|380325}} Java7 EFS Plugin''': Build ?
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February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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'''March 6, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin, Andrew
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* IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
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* Martin: '''{{bug|402509}} context menu filtering'''
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* Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
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** AI Martin ask engineers document what we're doing today
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* Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
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* Martin: '''{{bug|397896}} EPP vs Classic''' - how to proceed
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** building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
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** Martin's recent findings on Marketplace
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* Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla
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*** There's p2, Marketplace, Packages in the Open but they are only parts of the solution
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*** There's commercial installers from EclipseSource (Yoxos), Genuitec, IBM
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*** John: p2 simplified UI (eg Webtools Server Adaptors; Mylyn)
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** What's missing ? David too booked ?
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* John: '''CBI Builds in Kepler''' - SDK in good shape but repo and Equinox downloadpage not quite right yet, some might take until M6
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* John: '''Delete old Platform/UI Branches''' - any PMC Policy ? No, convert branches to tags
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* John: '''API Freeze next week''' - some (modest) new Eclipse 4 API's
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** McQ recommends going for a "complete, but minimal subset of what people will want to do", rather than too many convenience methods
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** John: Some API has been provisional for 3 years - can't make wholesale changes now for the fun of it
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*** May phase in some changes by adding @noreference rather than deleting stuff
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*** In some cases there's pressure to use interfaces rather than classes, in order to be able and leverage Java 8 constructs
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* Orion - anybody going to JSConf ?
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'''February 27, 2013''' - John, Andrew, Dani
 
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* Nothing noteworthy
 
  
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'''January 19, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ
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'''February 20, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* Eclipse aggregator build is currently migrated to Github
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* John: '''Orion Release Review''', please give feedback
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* Github migration work of the aggregator is documented in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=577323
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* The most important PGP work items are done with the help of Ed Merks, some secondary issues are still missing, e.g. such features are shown as unsigned
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* JFR Event are discussed in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=578055, PMC members should check so that we can discuss it next week
  
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'''January 12, 2022''' - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ
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'''February 13, 2013'''
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* Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
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* {{bug|156134}} re-exporting debug dependencies
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** Well received so far
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** 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
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** we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
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** Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
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** only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
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*** To be further discussed if such an issue happens
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* ECF relation
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** Project is heavily under resourced
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** No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
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** Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
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** Possible plan
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*** Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
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*** If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
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*** Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency
  
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= Archive =
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'''February 6, 2013''' - John, Dani, Martin
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* John: '''M5a and SR2 RC4'''
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* John: Pawel and Platform / Debug work (Pin & Clone)
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** Only adopt when it's really ready and satisfies all criteria, otherwise not into Kepler
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** Maybe pull out Debug plugins into a feature of their own ?
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2021 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2021]]
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'''January 30, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin, Andrew
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2020 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2020]]
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* John: '''SR2 RC3''' looking good - want to know about any remaining issues
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]]
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* Dani: '''Java 8 Update''' - Markus Keller will move from JDT UI to JDT Core, taking over JSR-308
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]]
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* John: '''NODE Dependency in Orion (exempt pre-req)'''
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
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** Not shipping NODE ourselves, pushing to NODE package manager instead (or clone from git)
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
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** Andrew: Is it a workswith ?
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
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** Martin: Is there any overlap with the Java portion ?
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
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*** The server code is completely distinct from Java, but the same client can interact with both
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
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'''January 24, 2013''' -
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* Martin: '''4.3 and 3.8 dual-stream''' - [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools#themes_and_priorities Webtools project plan]
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** egit, mylyn, dtp have been doing both n + n-1 for a long time
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** Technically, running on both should be possible if Platform API is used (except for the changes in Theming)
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** The Eclipse Community needs to advance the latest (4.3)
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** IBM product teams have been told not to forward at all if they can't forward to 4.x - shipping on 4.2
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** John: Having '''wider ranges of tolerance''' is something we should be able to do (otherwise our plugin system is failing)
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** John: Java8 will be the first killer feature in 4.x
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* Dani: '''Java 8'''
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** Will provide feature patches as soon as it makes sense - early draft, participating in expert group
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** Want to have the compiler and editor ready when Java 8 goes GA - initial refactoring etc in SR1 - full feature set in the next release
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* John: '''CBI update'''
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** Consider switch after M5
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'''January 17, 2013''' - McQ, John, Martin
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* John: '''{{bug|397896}} EPP vs Classic'''
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** Could volunteer to own the EPP package from Platform POV
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** Then Wayne would own the decision of RCP/RAP vs Classic - what's the difference, keep both or unify
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* John: '''Test Failures on I-Builds'''
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** Move away tests that have been failing for 9 months
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** Dani: Most tests are actually down to 0 failures
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* John: '''CBI / Maven Builds'''
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** Appears to be fragile at the moment - Maven .micro releases are breaking the build!
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'''January 10, 2013''' - McQ, John, Dani, Martin
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* McQ: '''CBI''' - Switching Platform build to CBI for SR2 is not doable
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** Want to make CBI work for Juno since it's the LTS stream
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** CBI SDK builds are good at this point, it's only a couple of minor issues (shape of repos, download page, ...
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** When to switch to CBI in the Kepler Stream ? - Proposal do do it immediately
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* CBI patches waiting for Platform to pick up
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'''January 3, 2013''' - McQ, Andrew, John, Dani
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* Andrew will recommend good conferences to promote Orion
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= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]

Latest revision as of 10:39, 28 September 2022

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

See https://github.com/eclipse-platform/.github/wiki/PMC-Meeting-minutes for new minutes

March 30, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Discussion about simplification of the Github repo structure
  • Currently no plan to provide a Github for user to report issues, we rather
  • For pull request there should no need to open a bug report / GH issue, all present PMC members agreed, to be discussed next week with Jay and MQ.

February 16, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

  • IP log done for 2022-03, process might be removed by the foundation in the future
  • Auto-closed policy can now be decided by project, project committer can vote on it
  • Support of additional architecture LoongArch and FreeBSD was discussed, for now we expect the builds outside of Eclipse.org for these architures
    • building Eclipse might get easier with planned enhancements in Tycho
  • Bug reports from Bugzilla are not planned to be moved to Github, will continue to exist in Bugzilla


January 19, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, Lars, McQ

January 12, 2022 - Alex, Tom, Jay, McQ

  • Move to PGP signed content news to IDE WG and Planning Council
    • Well received so far
    • 2022-03 to has the implementation, 2022-06 to do full switch
    • we use PGP for content not delivered to Simrel
    • Ed helps with implementation/bug fixes
    • only concern is critical CVE - that would require either help or PGP signed content being pushed to 2022-03
      • To be further discussed if such an issue happens
  • ECF relation
    • Project is heavily under resourced
    • No one knows good reason to still be using Apache Httpclient, Java HttpClient is not tried out and the previous JVM Http code had severe limitations
    • Development falling out on Platform releng for updates to Apache Httpclient, Windows proxy support and etc. is a no-go
    • Possible plan
      • Create Java Httpclient based connector for ECF or enhance the current default one to use Httpclient and not Httpconnection - removes need to update Apache Httpclient dependency, take care of windows specific bundles with JNA dependency and so on
      • If previous doesn't uncover limitation in Java's Httpclient stop shipping Apache Httpclient connector
      • Assuming 2 previous complete - look if it makes sense to not have ECF as a dependency at all to skip one cyclic dependency

Archive

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