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= Documents =
 
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every wednesday at 10.30am EST'''.
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The [http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/team-leaders.php Eclipse Project PMC] has a weekly phone meeting '''every Tuesday at 11.00am EST'''.
  
 
= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
  
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'''May 13, 2015''' - McQ, John, Alex, Martin
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'''Mar 31, 2021''' - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars
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* John, Dani - Mars Endgame looking good
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* Java 16 jar signing issue
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* Alex - {{bug|465874}} Lucene 5 looking good, almost done - Ready to commit as soon as CQs are in and Mars+1 is open
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** Tom wants to replace equinox implementation with builtin Jar file implementation so changes don't have to be done in Equinox on each release
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* JDT for Java 9 - will need a wider discussion with EMO on make it easier to publish the work, e.g. in normal builds
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* JSP/Jetty story in IDE
 +
** Do we still need same functionality?
 +
** Alex - get out of the business for help system. Dependencies (jetty, lucene) generate more releng work than we can handle.
 +
** McQ - url for plugin help would be simplest and open it in browser
 +
** Any change (e.g. JSP removal) has to go through standard deprecation period, announcements and etc.
 +
** Alex to initiate communication on longer term plan with Holger who works on improvements to help system lately
 +
 
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'''Mar 31, 2021''' - McQ, Tom, Alex
 +
 
 +
* PMC call time
 +
** Overlaps with Planning council call and both Tom and Alex can't make both
 +
-> Decision: Skip PMC call every first Wed of the month
 +
 
 +
* Webpage Hugo migration
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** Recommended by Eclipse Foundation and active contributor to do the conversion
 +
** Concerns about mixing old and new content are raised but they don't look severe
 +
** Supported by PMC
 +
-> Tom to handle initial communication on behalf of PMC
 +
 
 +
* Planning process relevance
 +
** the planning process is not providing the detailed and usable plans from the past
 +
** not a pain point as fewer people participate it but looks like useless exercise quite often
 +
** to be discussed....
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'''Mar 24, 2021''' - Tom, Alex, Lars
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* Pack 200 - API removal in 2 years - 2023-06
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** Should we turn off all pack 200 features in one year, make it consistent across all Java versions.
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** 2022-06 - disable pack200 for all Java versions. Calling the deprecated API will be a no-op
 +
 
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* Pack 200 - When can we stop generating? Agreed on 2021-09 release.  We should set the precedence as early as possible to stop producing pack200 artifacts.
 +
 
 +
* split packages
 +
** Causing issues with mandatory directive and p2 {{bug|360659}} and with tycho.
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** Currently tycho requires some work arounds for usage of split packages
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** Can we work to get rid of split packages. We agreed to investigate the work and move to combine split packages if possible.
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'''Mar 17, 2021''' - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars
 +
* SWT Chromium support
 +
** Still no recent version of Chromium with security patches
 +
** Will be dropped in M1 (if no recent version is provided in the next weeks or if no one steps up)
 +
 
 +
* Pack 2000 support
 +
** not supported anymore as of Java 14
 +
** will be deprecated and marked for removal
 +
 
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* Moving Eclipse repos to Github
 +
** Moving to Github might simplify and therefore increase contributions
 +
** Huge amount of work in releng
 +
** Potentially we should all subprojects at the same time
 +
** We check if the foundation plans to move everything to Gitlab
 +
 
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'''Mar 10, 2021''' - McQ, Tom, Alex
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* Moving to Jetty 10 for next release
 +
* platform-dev discussion about move to GitHub
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** conversation is useful, but would take a lot of planning
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** lots of current rel eng dependencies on Gerrit
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*** need more community help for rel eng issues
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** a massive amount of history in our Bugzilla
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* release record and proto-plan created for 4.20
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'''Febr 17, 2021''' - Lars, Alex, McQ
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* Looks good for 4.19 release
 +
* Mac ARM has to wait for the 4.20 release, as the team fights multiple issues
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* Top-level project page can currently only be edited by Tom, other PMC members also have access to it https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse/who
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'''Dec 15, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, McQ
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* 06. January 2021 is the next meeting
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* How can PMC increase the awareness of the project leads / committers?
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** Maybe invite the project leads once per month to the PMC meeting?
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** Discussion how we can increase the JDT community
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'''Dec 01, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, McQ
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* RC1 is out; final touches on RC2
 +
* How can we remove the confusion about "e4" project?
 +
** e4 has always been intended to be a sandbox project where people could try things that are experimental or are on a longer timeline
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** Should be renamed to make it clear this isn't about leftovers from the Eclipse 4.0 work (maybe "eNext"?)
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** Should clean up repos
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*** Remove repos that just hold code that has already moved to the platform
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*** Remove repos that are no longer getting any investment
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*** Work toward moving things that are active/useful into the platform (e.g. "spies" to PDE)
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'''Nov 24, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, McQ
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* PMC is considering the potential of an SDK / IDE working group at the foundation
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* Discussion Do we need the extra releng work to create p2 repositories for milestones?
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** Lot of extra work and sometimes goes wrong
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** All I-Builds are anyway available
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-> PMC decided to drop the additional p2 repository
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-> Alex will be sending out an email about it to inform potential users of the special p2 repos
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** Discussion about the purpose of the milestone week at all
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-> Decision not to change the process for now, as the additional testing and focus has also some benefits
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'''Nov 17, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ
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* Release 4.18 winding down
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** SWT churn for Linux and Mac Big Sur
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** Does not appear the Foundation got the new Mac Hardware for testing
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* Planning Council discussion
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** Dani filled the Eclipse TLP representation role on the Council
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** Alex can take the lead to that role
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** Alex will look to find a replacement for the tools TLP representative
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'''Nov 10, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ
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* Still dealing with the loss of Dani
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* Discussed representation of JDT on PMC
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* Stabilizing for M3
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* Some releng issues with Java 15 and 16
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* Tom began investigating p2 ECF httpclient dependency
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'''Nov 10, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ
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* Still dealing with the loss of Dani
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* Discussed representation of JDT on PMC
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* Stabilizing for M3
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* Some releng issues with Java 15 and 16
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* Tom began investigating p2 ECF httpclient dependency
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'''Nov 3, 2020''' - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ
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* Dani!
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'''Oct 27, 2020''' - Lars, Tom
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* Nothing to discuss
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'''Oct 20, 2020''' - Lars, Tom, McQ, Alex
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'''May 6, 2015''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, John
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* EclipseCon is running virtual this week
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* Dani: '''Java 9 timing''' - slight delay
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* Agreement that removal of API should only before M1 release
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* Dani: RC1 preps
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* Proof of concept for using Java 11 http client instead of ECF should be done
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** 2-day test pass went fine - 2 severe issues found, will be addressed
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* if we remove ECF we should send out an announcement and keep it for at least one release
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** Request to watch PMC mailing list for API exceptions and defect approvals
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* Decision to start using the @Deprecated(since = "x.y.z", forRemoval = true) for planned API removals if the bundle can use Java 11, wiki for API removal should be updated
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* John: '''PC Discussion on Release Cycles'''
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** Multiple releases per year PLUS maintenance streams seems like overkill
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** Consider an approach like Orion that just moves constantly forward
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** Especially for the Platform, being rock solid is most important. Still to attract new contributors we need to allow more frequent "feature updates".
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*** A model where both "stable/maintenance" _and_ "features" are contributed to the train might be too much work/overhead.
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*** Consider a model like Ubuntu, ... with some release numbers being "stable/LTS base" and others being "in-between feature releases" ?
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*** Consider a model like LTS for maintenance fixes / aside mainstream just moving forward ?
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'''Oct 6, 2020''' - Dani, Tom, McQ, Alex
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* M1 under control
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* Release train materials being worked
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* Moved to Jetty 9.4.32
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* ECF — need to simplify how we consume http client
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** could use Java11 http client instead, but this would require significant development effort
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** Tom/Alex to take an initial stab at understanding scope + open bugs
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* Proposal: remove API once a year
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** Given the already long time for consumers to respond to API deprecation, PMC decision was to continue to allow API removal in any release. It was felt that the incremental benefit was outweighed by the need to be able to move forward quickly.
  
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'''April 15, 2015''' - Dani, John, McQ, Alex, Martin
 
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* Dani: '''Java 1.7 Changes'''
 
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** Some bundles have been moved to a 1.7 BREE by new committers, even after API freeze
 
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** Rule has always been "we move up when there's a reason to move up". We won't move up without reason.
 
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*** Dani: Moving the BREE may even cause API changes, so should only be done when incrementing the minor version (5% risk)
 
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*** Alex: Such updates allow staying current and not get to "rewrite is needed" state (thus needed) but has to happen before M6 (API freeze)
 
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** Alex suggest not accepting additional changes, but not reverting either (to avoid churn)
 
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* Dani: '''Batik 1.6 update'''
 
  
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<hr/>
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'''Sep 15, 2020''' - Dani, Tom, Lars, Alex
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'''April 8, 2015''' - Dani, Martin, Alex, John, McQ
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* M1
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* Dani: '''Batik''' - Platform is good, Train may need to update, perhaps updating one bundle only would suffice. John will follow up.
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** Next week M1 - Alex to send reminder note
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* Alex: '''SWT for GTK 3 News'''
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** Holiday in India on this Friday
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** GTK port finally decoupled from X11 - it renders on Wayland now, can switch the renderer to a pure HTML one
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** This opens up opportunities (but depends on hosts that have GTK).
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* Y-Build for Java 16
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** Builds should be fixed and can continue to progress on Java 16
  
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<hr/>
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* SCR upgrade
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'''April 1, 2015''' - McQ, Alex, Martin, Dani (Regrets: John travelling)
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** Some issues with EBR maven plugin
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* Alex: '''GTK 3.16''' seeing issues again - fixed some crashes, but scrolling is still entirely broken
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** causes versions to be incorrectly represented in p2 meta-data
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** SWT uses a number of things that GTK declares as "implementation detail"
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** Orbit needs a new lead, will end up impacting us if no replacement found
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* PMC approval on piggyback CQ's (AC question forwarded by John)
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** Dani sent [https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse-pmc/msg02332.html our position] to John in order to update the AC
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* Tycho being updated to be able to OSGi-fy JARs if they are not there yet.
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'''March 18, 2015''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, McQ, John
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** How to use this for a feature?
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* John: '''EclipseCon''' - Bigger this year due to LocationTech (750 attendees)
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** Behaves much like Orbit to produce new versions of the artifact.
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** Mark Reinhold keynote and "after-session" on Java 9
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** Could be the solution for Orbit needs.
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** Much interest in Orion JS tooling / editor, also on desktop
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** Public face of Eclipse Platform at the conference was much more diverse than in the past (Lars Vogel, Max Anderson, Google ...)
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* Dani: {{bug|458730}} '''Mars Plan Update'''
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* Dani: '''e4 project leadership''' approved by EMO
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* Dani: Szymon Brandys resigned as Platform/Resources co-lead. Need to +1 on the mailing list
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'''March 11, 2015 - no meeting (EclipseCon)'''
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'''Sep 22, 2020''' - no meeting
  
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<hr/>
 
  
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'''March 4, 2015''' - Dani, McQ, Martin, John
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'''Sep 15, 2020''' - McQ, Dani, Lars, Tom, Alex
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* Dani: '''e4 leadership''' - Dani will volunteer to co-lead
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* Dani: Java 15 released today
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* Dani: '''BREEs''' - documentation about how to pick the EE
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** 4.17 release together with Marketplace for Java 15 support are ready
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** Recommending the "earliest generally supported JRE that provides the capabilities you need"
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** JDT Java 15 to be merged this week
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** Would like an URL on the page pointing to the most recent plan (talking to Wayne)
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* Dani: Zoom call with password unless each of the PMC members can be added as meeting owner so can start the meeting
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* John: '''greatfix contest'''
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* Alex: 4.18 stream opened and releng work calmed down
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** Dani: Working well - some very small contributions but some also very large (eg Customize Perspective fixes)
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* Lars: Cleanup of migration guides
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* John: '''EclipseCon''' - numbers looking good; join Planning Council Breakfast as delegate for Dani
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** Dani: this will break existing links, so existing content have to stay unless someone does all the work to fix our plans and other links that will break
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** McQ: help system needs work to focus on the latest stuff/release, what should we do to achieve it? How can we better shape the help system now that having all content ofline is not a requirement?
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** Alex: do not ship migration, n&n,etc. but rather point to website url from help system
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** Alex: this would also reduce manual work for releng (+1 by Dani)
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** ACTION ITEM: Alex to work on n&n in help system to use the website content directly as a proof of concept for further work
  
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<hr/>
 
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'''February 25, 2015''' - Dani, Martin McQ
 
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* No topics
 
  
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'''Sep 01, 2020''' - Lars, Alex
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'''February 18, 2015''' - Dani, Alex, Martin
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* RC1 is fine, no additional requests for RC2
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* Alex: '''Building Native Launchers'''
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** Current way of building is kinda unpredictable - even if getting some agreement on versions to use, results are kinda unpredictable
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** Pushing towards Hudson RHEL builders at least at the EF to get more transparency and automation - attempt to mimic the infrastructure at IBM
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** Looking at 3 primary architectures (at the EF) for Linux vs. secondary architectures (non-public builders potentially)
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* Dani: Great initiative, but other (non-EF) builders must not be broken
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** EF doesn't allow any commercial tools (but currently, e.g. Windows launchers are built with MSVS)
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* Alex is willing to spend time to get Linux builds running; but can't help with other architectures
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** Martin: great approach - for Windows, using a cross-compiler on Linux might be interesting (after Linux native works)
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* Alex: This is just phase one - getting rid of the binaries in git repos might be phase 2 (since the checked-in binaries easily cause inconsistencies between Java and Native side)
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** Martin: Checked-in binaries help consumers and contributors who just want to make a Java change
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** Dani: Checked-in binaries are also used for comparing build results for expected vs accidental changes
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* Alex: '''{{bug|459399}} - Policy for recommended minimum execution environments for bundles'''
 
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** Dani: It works today
 
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*** To run Eclipse, Java 8 or Java 9 can be used (minimum BREE has no impact)
 
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*** To modify the source, a new JRE can be used but then the Execution Environment Descriptions need to be installed
 
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** Policy as discussed in the past: Each project can increase the BREE if there is a real need (such as generifying) and no upstream clients are broken
 
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*** But don't change the BREE without justification -- changing the BREE always has some effect, such as new warnings that would need to be addressed
 
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*** Suggested BREE for new bundles has already been changed by Lars
 
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* Alex: Even for bundles in "maintenance mode", old BREE causes issues for people who build from source (who have to change compilers etc)
 
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* No conclusion so far (Alex and Dani disagree)
 
  
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* Dani: '''e4 leadership'''
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'''August 25, 2020''' - Tom, Lars, Alex, Dani
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** Mature bits being moved to Eclipse - e4 remaining as an incubator to keep alive for experiments with low entry barrier
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* Dani: sent out Endgame plan, RC1 this week, vacation starting on Friday
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* Alex informed about Red Hat's Releng participation
  
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<hr/>
 
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'''February 11, 2015''' - Dani, Alex
 
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* no topics
 
  
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<hr/>
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'''August 18, 2020''' - Tom, Lars, Dani
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* Dani to create and send out Endgame plan
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* Looking into Mac Big Sur launching issue ({{bug|565913}})
  
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'''February 4, 2015''' - Dani, Alex, Martin
 
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* Alex: With GTK-3.15.[345] , Eclipse is entirely unusable
 
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** Alex has some dirty workarounds to make it start, but still many issues like trees not painted, ...
 
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** Crash on startup identified to be GTK bug. Fix to be released in 3.15.6 https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=edec64cda3d4518b4e87d5ea5d287d4570ba9933
 
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* Dani: Working on Solaris 64-bit
 
  
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'''August 11, 2020''' - Alex, Dani, Tom, McQ
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* Eclipse Foundation is getting access to an Apple Silicon dev kit
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** Will make it available to SWT devs via cloud connectivity
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* M3 next week; RC1 following week
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* ARM64 port seems to be working fine, except for browser widget (still investigating)
  
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'''January 28, 2015''' - Dani, Alex, John
 
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* Dani: Switch Mac OS X 10.9 with 10.10 in Mars target environments
 
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** No objections
 
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* Alex: Looking for any Eclipse related activity @Fosdem
 
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<hr/>
 
  
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'''January 21, 2015''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, McQ
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'''August 4, 2020''' - Alex, Lars, Dani
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* Alex: '''Process for allowing non-committers extended bugzilla privileges (for bug triage)?'''
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* no topics to discuss
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** Dani: Yes a process exists. Send bugzilla username to Dani.
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* Alex: '''New resource for helping with SWT'''
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* Dani: '''Platform/UI co-lead'''
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* Dani: Solaris: Java 8 will only support 64 bits on both Intel and SPARC --&gt; IBM SWT Team considering to invest in getting patches in for 64-bit Solaris
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<hr/>
 
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'''January 14, 2015''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, McQ, John
 
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* Dani: Update on Platform/UI Leadership: Daniel Rolka left IBM and for now has no time to contribute. He stepped down as co-lead and nominated Lars Vogel
 
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* Dani: Solaris x86 64-bit support - patches exist, but no machine available. No luck to get one from Oracle or via Eclipse Foundation. We will not support Solaris x86 64-bit unless someone makes a machine available
 
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<hr/>
 
  
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'''January 7, 2015''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, McQ, John
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'''July 28, 2020''' - Tom, McQ
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* Dani: '''Platform/UI Leadership'''
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* no topics to discuss
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* John: '''Git security issue''' - pick up a patch for Jgit in the packages before SR2? - Mostly an EPP
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<hr/>
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'''December 17, 2014''' - McQ, John, Dani
 
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* Platform UI leadership to be discussed in the next PMC call
 
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* no call on December 24 and December 31
 
  
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'''July 21, 2020''' - Tom, Dani, Alex, McQ, Lars
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'''December 10, 2014''' - Alex, McQ, John, Dani, Martin
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* no topics to discuss
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* Dani: {{bug|427768}} Mickael (Red Hat) - Nested Project support contribution to Common Navigator to better support Maven projects
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* Alex on vacation next week
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* Dani: Red Hat also will wants to contribute making the Import easier {{bug|421930}}. First in the e4 incubator.
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** Just import from a folder, and contribute project configurators via extension point (e.g. detect POM files, Makefiles, ...)
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** McQ: Many complexities ... different users may want very different things to happen
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*** McQ: Just point to a Git repo -- the Git repo has a little metadata file at the root which allows launching the apps that the repo had been intended for ... maybe just make the project tree(s) a little more self-describing
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*** Is there a growing list of repos which already have that? - John: In the Java world, pom.xml is getting that ...
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*** Alex: .doap getting this (at least for Apache and GNOME projects - specifies at least the languages used)
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* Web IDEs : McQ and others gone through a lot of analysis of Web IDE's
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** Cloud9 has a much larger set of starting points ; in terms of the underlying core structure, Orion (and also Jay) are more interesting
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** Orion has an extremely lightweight plug-in model: pieces coming from all over the world may look like all running on the server - nice infrastructure for building Community around it
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** Orion + Flux could be a rival for anything out there
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** Orion continues to push on the Core Coding experience - Orion Editor is on par or better than most desktop editors
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* Vision: See [https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/platform-vision/msg00065.html Minutes on the platform-vision mailing list] ... Delivery will depend on people actually participating
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'''December 3, 2014''' - Alex, Martin, Dani, John (McQ travelling)
 
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* John: [https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/platform-vision/ Platform Vision] - How to turn that into actionable items, Wayne wants to present to the Board
 
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* John: '''Performance tests''' running again since a couple weeks, now the graphs are also back again :)
 
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** See http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/I20141202-0800/performance.php
 
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** Results are there but fingerprints currently missing
 
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** Baseline is 4.4.0 at the moment (consider comparing against 3.x at some point)
 
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** John: From experience, a single result isn't helpful, there's often weird anomalies from build to build ... need to look at trends over multiple builds, thus the graphs are really useful
 
  
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'''July 14, 2020''' - Tom, Dani, Alex, McQ, Lars
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'''November 26, 2014''' - Alex, Dani
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* Project status
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* No relevant topics / decisions
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** M1 shipped last week
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** Draft Plan for 4.17 posted - additional fixes done after review
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** Release record created for 4.17
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* CQ process discussion - new clearly defined process
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** Note sent to Wayne to get clarifications on handbook, Wayne has made some edits in response.  We need to review latest handbook
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** Should simplify IP clearance for third party libraries
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*** If a bundle is approved by clearly defined it can be added with no CQ as long as the mavin URLs/coordinates are vetted by clearly defined
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*** Orbit should soon automate the linking to clearly defined approvals for bundles added.  Currently a work in progress by Roland at Orbit.
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*** The ratings system at clearly defined is not used.  Only the license check is used.
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** PMC needs to review latest handbook on the topic ... As of now we should move forward with the new process
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*** If concerns arise later we will need to take actions to correct
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* {{bug|565066}} - Needs some attention to the solution and testing
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** attempt to make incremental installation be consistent with resolution of a fresh install (or -clean).
  
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'''November 19, 2014''' - Alex, Martin, Dani  (''McQ and John had issues dialing in'')
 
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* Dani: '''Jetty 9''' - Upgrade has been done, but new versions coming out ... will probably update from Jetty 9.2.3 to Jetty 9.2.5. Probably 9.3
 
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** WTP interested in newer Jetty version ... need to agree on a common version across the Release Train.
 
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** Alex: New Jetty JSP compiler failing ... filed a bug, will want this fixed (Jetty working on it)
 
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* Dani: '''{{bug|179924}} Request for ssh-agent''' - patch against Team from YMNK (JSch Committer)
 
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** egit would contribute the agent, but would make more sense putting it in Platform (+1 from Martin, no objection from Alex)
 
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* Equinox Declarative Services implementation - ProSyst stopped providing fixes, not responsive any more
 
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** New specificiation (R6) from OSGi adding lot of features, cannot risk staying behind
 
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** Suggestion to remove the ProSyst stuff and replace it with the Apache Felix implementation (used by IBM / WebSphere and others)
 
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** Martin: How mature / stable is the Felix code ? Can we influence it ?
 
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*** Dani: Very mature. Have more influence on Felix than on the Prosyst stuff ... through the IBM committers and others.
 
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*** Alex agrees. Using some parts of Felix already.
 
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* John (via Dani): '''Move e4 into Platform/UI''' - would like to start the review process next week.
 
  
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'''June 23, 2020''' - no call
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'''November 5, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, Alex, Martin
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* Eclipse Foundation greatbugs initiative - call into PMC
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* Dani: EclipseCon Europe Report - met lot of people, best attended EclipseCon Europe ever :)
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** IOT; IDE in the Web; are people moving away from Eclipse before the transition to Web can be completed ?
+
−
* Alex: Discussion with Christian Campo on scaling up
+
−
** Should better go into SWT ... but SWT has a reputation that it's hard getting a change in -- people prefer re-doing things their own than contributing :(
+
−
** Alex thinks this problem doesn't exist any more ... but how to fight this misconception ?
+
−
** John: Getting a change in may now be hard due to other reasons, eg lack of experienced committers
+
−
** Alex: Consider voting in new committers more easily if somebody is interested ?
+
−
* Alex: Difference between Eclipse and the Linux Foundation
+
−
** Linux Foundation doesn't provide anything that anybody can use directly (just a source tarball) --&gt; all users become "contributors" of some sort
+
−
** This leads to different expectations and has a number advantages (eg issues are reported to and worked on by member companies only)
+
  
−
'''October 22, 2014''' - Alex, Dani, McQ, John
+
'''June 16, 2020''' - no call
−
* Platform plan update nearly done, will be released soon
+
−
* Orion release review is ongoing, release will be next week
+
−
* Brief discussion of new bug reporting tool and related bug [https://dev.eclipse.org/recommenders/committers/dashboard/#/dashboard/temp/e6leTB3gQy-zUZI-73KtRQ dashboard]
+
−
* PMC called '''canceled''' next week due to EclipseCon Europe
+
  
−
'''October 1, 2014''' - Alex, Dani, Martin, McQ
+
'''June 9, 2020''' - Alex, Dani, McQ, Lars, Tom
−
* Dani - In touch with Oracle regarding Solaris x86
+
* McQ: message to guide the community got no public reactions so far
−
* McQ - '''Platform UI''' tension between making Platform UI as stable as possible, versus new features
+
* Dani: bug reports needed for JDT, do we have PMC agreement?
−
** Community forming for new contributions - that's great! - But takes committer's time; committers reduced to "productize and fix" is problematic
+
** Alex: For me that was approved after jdt-dev vote ended
−
** how to get more contributions for bug fixes ?
+
** AGREED
−
*** Alex: What about saying "This release we only accept bug fixes" ? Or for some milestone, eg after M4 only accept bug fixes ?
+
* Dani: RC2 done, no major bug so far but still monitoriing for regressions
−
*** Dani: Sounds great, but will the Community accept that ? - JDT BugBash did not work that well...
+
* Alex: 4.17 stream open, not finished until 4.16 if final so all apichecks and etc. are in proper shape
−
*** Dani to prepare a draft message
+
* Tom: OSGi R8 merge after stabilizing 4.17 stream
−
* Dani was in Bangalore - talked to Arun - good collaboration with Alex
+
* Tom: OSGi Move to Java 8 right after that
−
** Hard to get new SWT developers (Sami moving away on RH side)
+
* Dani: Switch to Java 11 as min version as it was already announced to happen in 4.17 stream shortly
−
** Ideas to keep SWT relevant ... eg generate Browser based things
+
−
*** GTK3 supports running in a browser now... (just one label for now, but an interesting approach)
+
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''September 24, 2014''' - Alex, Dani, McQ, John, Martin
 
−
* John: '''SWT Binaries Repository''' has got too big
 
−
** Will prune old versions out of the git repository (which is only used internally) - "Release" drops will still be available from release builds.
 
−
** '''DECISION:''' OK to prune.
 
−
* '''SWT master still has sources for old Platforms''' like carbon and motif - cluttering up the source code
 
−
** '''DECISION:''' OK to remove references - source would remain in git for old branches, but not be visible in master any more.
 
−
* Dani: '''p2 and Equinox''' - no sign-off for M2, leaders stepping down ?
 
−
** consider moving p2 back into Equinox, and probably Equinox back into the Eclipse project ?
 
−
** John: Equinox committers not really knowledgeable about p2 ... still, with less than 3 active committers a threshold is reached (can't hold elections any more)
 
−
** Still there's a couple of people contributing, so there are knowledgeable folk around
 
−
** Dani: If there's committers committing code, they should also be responsible for sign-off
 
−
* Dani: '''Java 7 and Jetty 9'''
 
−
** Been using Jetty 8 for a while, now, there is Community Pressure upgrading to Jetty 9 but that requires Java 7
 
−
** Java 6 no longer getting public updates since February 2013
 
−
** John:Adoptions needed in the Help System when moving to Jetty 9 ?
 
−
*** Alex don't think so - been shipping Jetty 9 for over a year already; only required changing some dependencies.
 
−
*** '''ACTION ITEM: Alex offered to check this'''
 
−
* Alex: '''Drop all the Java 6 Platforms from the list of Reference Platforms?'''
 
−
** '''DECISION:''' Yes this needs to be done. Trying to support Java 6 won't buy any benefit at this point.
 
  
−
<hr/>
+
'''June 2, 2020''' - Alex, Dani, McQ, Lars, Tom
−
'''September 17, 2014''' - no meeting
+
* Inactive committer clean up for Eclipse project for the 4.16 release started via {{bug|563720}}
 +
* Infrastructure is really slow for RC2 release
 +
* RC2 bug queue is really low, one restart issue which is currently under investigated by Tom
 +
* Discussion about the JDT cleanup e-mails
 +
** Need to ensure community discussions are positive and respectful.
 +
** Expectations here should come from leadership
 +
*** LibreOffice did this in the past to great success.
 +
** Committers can vote against bugs but the tone of the discussion is important.
 +
** PMC will respond via the public mailing list within a week
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''September 10, 2014''' - John, Martin, Alex, Dani
 
−
* John: Mars having some build hickups due to removing Mac 32-bit builds
 
−
* John: Luna SR1 - almost done, respinning for 2 bugs in Equinox
 
−
* John: Cloud TLP (for Orion and others) - still on track for announcing end October
 
−
* Alex: Been busy with other stuff recently, back on the GTK version support discussion this week
 
−
** Martin: Many people will know what distro they have (or need), but not what GTK they have on there
 
−
*** John: Also running GTK on AIX, Solaris, Linux Power and other which are not moving up that fast...
 
−
*** Martin: Examples: RHEL 5.8 was GTK 2.10.4-21 ; RHEL 4.5 was at GTK 2.4.13-22
 
−
*** Popular distros would be Ubuntu LTS, RHEL, OpenSUSE
 
−
** Alex: Newer distros have up to 3 GTK versions installed, along with some means to switch between them, it's very confusing
 
−
** Eclipse is the only project that dynamically loads DLL's and tries to support a broad range ... others typically compile against a specific version
 
−
*** Most projects require GTK 2.24
 
−
** John: GTK versions are not really predictable ... between 3.04 and 3.10 there was a breaking change
 
−
** Alex: In every release there are small issues that we work around; and there's certain releases that are breaking stuff
 
−
** '''NEXT ACTION: Send E-Mail'''
 
  
−
<hr/>
+
'''May 26, 2020''' - Alex, Dani, McQ
−
'''September 3, 2014''' - John, Alex, Dani
+
* Closed all M3 bugs; RC1 looking good
−
* Dani: away next week and on/off the next two weeks due to travel
+
* Tips&tricks, new&noteworthy, contributions to the newsletter in progress
−
* Dani: RC4 next week. PMC please watch the PMC mailing list
+
* Chromium integration CQ approved -- https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21808
−
** John: will be available and monitor the mailing list
+
−
* Dani: Oracle interested in providing access to a Solaris 64-bit machine {{bug|442266}}
+
−
* John: How/where to graduate the e4 tools
+
−
** the community wants to graduate this out of incubation
+
−
** initially proposed to create a separate project, but feels like adding too much overhead
+
−
** John: proposed PDE as home, then Dani suggested to use Platform UI
+
−
** Alex, Dani and John agree to suggest Platform UI as home for the e4 tools.
+
−
** John to send a note to Lars
+
−
* Alex: Limit supported number of GTK+ versions
+
−
** SWT currently has to support over 20 different version. This doesn't scale.
+
−
** Proposal: Bump min supported version with one minor release each release. Aka Luna has Gtk 2.10 as min, Mars would have 2.12 as min. Can consider even two minor releases (Mars requires 2.14) as this would keep the amount of supported versions the same as GTK releases one minor release every 6 months.
+
−
** Dani, John: this is too limiting. We tended to support the most possible. Newest versions might have too many bugs.
+
−
** All agree: we'd like to limit the amount of supported versions
+
−
** Alex to cast a poll via Eclipse Foundation, which versions are used by users and companies
+
  
−
<hr/>
 
  
−
'''August 27, 2014''' - cancelled
+
'''May 19, 2020''' - Tom, Dani, Lars, Alex
 +
* Dani: Issues with the build infrastructure, might endanger M3, the team got a working build for testing
 +
* Dani: PowerPC hardware was donated so builds are starting again for it
 +
* Alex: CQ process might get simpler based on blog post from Wayne, Alex to test and validate with Wayne https://blogs.eclipse.org/post/wayne-beaton/revising-eclipse-ip-due-diligence-process-third-party-content
 +
* Lars: Question if we want to allow "EGit" commit style in Eclipse top-level project. Agreement was to allow it but not to recommend it or enforce it
  
−
<hr/>
 
  
−
'''August 20, 2014''' - John, Alex, Dani
+
'''May 12, 2020''' - Tom, Dani, McQ, Lars, Alex
−
* Dani: new platform PowerPC 64-bit LE {{bug|441358 }}
+
* Update to themes
−
** maintained by IBM
+
** Preference being added for choosing square vs round tabs
−
** will be added to 4.4.1 as early access
+
** Intern from Alex's team is taking up the work
−
** Dani to send a note to cross-platform
+
** Update to Windows theme to be Windows 10
−
* Dani: individual made patches to support Solaris 64-bit {{bug|442266}}
+
* Alex brings up changes to CQ requirements. Need to read up on Wayne's post about this and discuss in a future call if we can change how the project does CQs
−
** we'd like to add it but don't have a machine to support it
+
* Who is running dark theme?
−
** important because our current 32-bit Solaris build will become obselete since there's no 32-bit JRE for Java 7 and beyond
+
** Need someone to cover test of Dark Theme on Linux. Lars indicated that he runs with Linux Dark Theme and can help in coverage
−
** Oracle should be interested since they provide both, Java and Solaris
+
** Dani described the various members of his team that cover the rest of the platforms
−
** Dani to ask Oracle
+
* Request to contribute to article on what is new in the release for a June newsletter.  Lars to contribute improvements in the Dark theme.  General request to others to contribute anything else.
 +
* ppc64le build troubles
 +
** Been having ongoing issues with the university hosted ppc64le machine we use to build support for ppc64le
 +
** Currently the ppc64le build has been disabled
 +
** Need to find alternatives
 +
*** May be able to use something from IBM public cloud
 +
*** Other suggestions: McQ - look towards using emulation, Alex - could do cross-compilation
 +
** Need to plan if ppc 10 will supported in the future
  
−
<hr/>
 
  
−
'''August 13, 2014''' - McQ, Alex, Dani
+
'''May 5, 2020''' - Dani, Alex, Lars, McQ, Tom
−
* Dani: Any feedback for the [https://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?planurl=http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/eclipse_project_plan_4_5.xml Mars plan]?
+
−
** McQ:
+
−
*** It does not cover Orion, but that is OK and like in previous release plans. Orion will most likely be moved to another top-level project soon.
+
−
*** We want to remove Mac OS X Universal 32-bit (all agreed)
+
−
* Dani: How to deal with requests to push our bundles to repo.eclipse.org {{bug|441530}}
+
−
** Dani: OK for me but we won't do the work
+
−
** Alex: Maven needs the dependencies in the pom.xml. We don't want copy them from the manifest into the pom.xml and then maintain this. The pom should be updated when publishing the file into the Maven repo. Ideally by an automated task.
+
−
** Conclusion: all agree with this, i.e. we won't do the actual work and we won't "pollute" our pom files.
+
  
−
<hr/>
+
* M2 shipped on time
−
'''August 6, 2014''' - McQ, Dani
+
** Dark theme rebuild for M2 due to severe issue
−
* Dani: Will provide initial Mars plan next week
+
* ICU4J removal note sent
 +
** Lars - 2 years notice period needed?
 +
** Agreement: it's needed as we expose it in API and still have usages in internals so we need time to clean up ourself
 +
** EPPs cleanup - some blocked by JDT still using it, some by WTP, Rust probably the first one to be icu4j clean
 +
* Roundes vs square ctabfolder
 +
** Number of themes to be reduced
 +
** Performance not being measurable
 +
** Agreement: add preference to switch the rounded vs
 +
** Agreement: when preference is available Square is default
 +
* Windows theme update -
 +
** Fix colors to match Windows 10
 +
** GTK looks way more sane as more effort has been invested to keep it current
 +
** Don't set colors but use the colors from the OS theme is the recipe
 +
** Ugly white line on windows dark theme needs bugzilla open
  
  
−
<hr/>
+
'''April 28, 2020''' - Dani, Alex, Lars
−
'''No meetings in July'''
+
  
 +
* PMC decided that the OS specific themes should be removed, https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=562227
 +
* Windows light theme should become better https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=551462
 +
* Dani - This week is M2, no special freeze or testing but we will contribute our build from Friday to the simrel
 +
* Databinding analyis was done by Jens Lindstroem and it looks good for an API compliant solution
 +
* Alex will prepare the information for cross that we will drop ibm icu from the SDK build
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''Jun 4, 2014''' - Dani, John, Martin, McQ, Alex
 
−
* Dani: '''RC4 Status''' looking good
 
−
** 1 bug in JDT, 1 bug in Debug and 1 in Platform/UI on Linux being investigated ("Show In" no longer working)
 
−
** Rest of the team working on docs
 
−
** Alex: On Ubuntu, might want to disable UBUNTU_MENUPROXY ... this is causing a lot of issues
 
−
* John: '''Went over the N&N''' ... number of things went in after M7 :)
 
−
** Dark Theme - Good story in place combining the old 3.x Presentation API with the new E4 (CSS) technology in a good way
 
  
 +
'''April 21, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Tom, Lars
 +
* Q: How do we deal with ICU removal from data binding?
 +
** Need to follow standard API removal rules
 +
*** Deprecate old API and offer new API
 +
*** Remove deprecated API after 2 years
 +
** Can we put the old stuff in a fragment that could be removed?
 +
* Theming: rounded tabs versus square tabs ({{bug|562221}})
 +
** Should we offer it at all?
 +
** Alex: Don’t increase the number of themes or options
 +
** Lars: Square tabs are faster
 +
** If speed is significant, we should consider changing the default
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''Jun 11, 2014''' - Martin, McQ, Alex, John
 
−
* John: Eclipse Theming: When switching the OS Theme to dark, Eclipse should be aware
 
−
** Dark Theme is currently a tech preview
 
  
 +
'''April 14, 2020''' - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom, Lars
 +
* Dani
 +
** M1 shipped, no problems so far
 +
** Using ECJ from M1 to build the SDK has some issues, there are people working on it
 +
** 4.16 plan to be published this week
 +
* Unanimous decision to continue to use Zoom as usual
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''Jun 4, 2014''' - Dani, John, Martin, McQ, Alex
 
−
* Dani: '''RC4 Status''' looking good
 
−
** 1 bug in JDT, 1 bug in Debug and 1 in Platform/UI on Linux being investigated ("Show In" no longer working)
 
−
** Rest of the team working on docs
 
−
** Alex: On Ubuntu, might want to disable UBUNTU_MENUPROXY ... this is causing a lot of issues
 
−
* John: '''Went over the N&N''' ... number of things went in after M7 :)
 
−
** Dark Theme - Good story in place combining the old 3.x Presentation API with the new E4 (CSS) technology in a good way
 
  
 +
'''April 7, 2020''' - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom, Lars
 +
* Dani
 +
** Created [https://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?planurl=http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/eclipse_project_plan_4_16.xml 4.16 plan]
 +
** Created [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=561643 release record for 4.16]. Corresponding bug is {{bug|561643}}
 +
** Sent note to add planning bugs for 4.16
 +
** '''Please review and provide feedback if any'''
 +
** After some infrastructure issues we have a good test build and currently things look good for M1 this week
 +
* Alex seconded the infrastructure issues and missing test results
 +
* ICU4J ({{bug|560312}}): we decided to remove it piece by piece from projects where possible and where someone is interested to do it. The ICU bundle itself will stay, and we will follow the API removal process when we are ready to remove it, i.e. no usage in the SDK anymore
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''May 28, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, Martin
 
−
* Dani: '''EOL'ing the Delta Pack''' - announce now, remove during Mars - it's been obsoleted by p2 functionality
 
−
** Alex: Some of the test suite relied on the delta pack, it caused issues, OK with removing (PDE tests would need to be cleaned up)
 
−
* Dani: '''Copyright Updates''' - tool is very slow since not ported from CVS properly, can run for hours
 
−
** John: Worth doing periodically but probably won't matter legally since copyright lasts for 7 years
 
−
** The change is not without risk (Dani: Could schedule after the release)
 
−
** McQ: Should consider updating the tool as part of that work
 
−
** Alex: Has a new intern, could use this as an opportunity to join
 
−
* Dani: '''RC3 status''' - last planned build - looking good, except for Platform UI, where the list of bugs is still long
 
−
* McQ: Discussions about a new Eclipse.org Web-based Toplevel Project
 
  
 +
'''March 31, 2020''' - Dani, Alex, McQ, Tom, Lars
 +
* Dani: Contacted the ICU4J owner. He updated {{bug|560312}}, PMC members will review the comment and we will discuss next week
 +
* Dani: Planning bugs are created slowly for 4.16. Will send a reminder to the list to submit more. Started to work on plan and release record.
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''May 14, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, John, Martin
 
−
* Alex: SWT GTK3 and the Endgame Rules
 
−
* Dani: Luna Plan Update
 
−
* John: New Dashboard created by the EMO
 
  
−
<hr/>
+
'''March 24, 2020''' - Alex, McQ, Tom
−
'''May 7, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, Alex, John, Martin
+
* Dani: Regrets for the call (Eclipse Board call)
−
* Martin {{bug|241957}} - GTK clipboard hang
+
* Alex: status updates
−
** Alex: GTK guys recommended using the async API, but no time for more investigation
+
** JDT merged Java 14 in master
−
** McQ: Switching a sync API to async implementation underneath can be extremely messy (need to be aware of all possible events and event sources...)
+
** Build instability due to infra status
−
** McQ: If there is an idea canceling the clipboard wait ... given that the issue occurs only rarely, even a hacky solution is better than nothing
+
* Alex: OSGi R8 modules support - what is it?
−
* Dani: will do a plan update, hopefully this week
+
** Tom: ability to represent external content in the OSGi framework
 +
** Alex: Will it allow shipping eclipse plugins as JPMS modules to ease native library handling?
 +
** Tom: Haven't found any clear example how JPMS handles this, so good example is needed before could be looked further.
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''April 30, 2014''' - Dani, Martin, McQ
 
−
* McQ: '''WB4 perspective customization''' - has it caused any issues ?
 
−
** Martin: Dealing with detached views works differently (dragging a window fails - must drag the tab inside the window)
 
−
** Dani: Saved perspectives / windows are lost on an existing workspace when moving from 3.x to 4.x
 
−
*** Martin/McQ: When crossing the major version boundary, it is OK to lose state - it's not nice but acceptable
 
−
** Dani: The bigger problem is, that the whole "Perspective customization" dialog is still not working as expected
 
−
*** Martin: Agree with the concern, but the Perspective customization dialog wasn't ever great
 
−
*** McQ: If invest work here, rather make it good than bring back the previous status quo
 
−
*** Martin: Most customization done via plugin.xml / Java , don't expect end users to do a lot of customization themselves
 
−
* Dani: '''M7 status'''
 
−
** Defect triage under control - some items deferred to 4.5
 
  
 +
'''March 17, 2020''' - Alex, McQ, Lars Tom, Dani
 +
* ICU4J use still under discussion
 +
** Dani still to contact ICU4J owner
 +
* Shipping Java 14 and 4.15 this week
 +
* Java 14 work will be merged to master on Wednesday
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''April 23, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, John, Alex, Martin
 
−
* Alex - GTK2 or GTK3 as default - GTK3 it is
 
−
** GTK2 - more stable on old systems but no usable browser due to
 
−
*** xulrunner - latest version not supported by swt and latest distros don't even ship standalone xulrunner
 
−
*** webkitgtk - gtk2 version in maintenance mode, upstream consider dropping, really crashy See [https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-gtk/2014-March/001821.html]
 
−
** GTK3 still has some drawing issues (fighting them one by one, but functionally everything is there)
 
−
** McQ: If neither state is really good, need to choose the option that's moving forward (switch to GTK3)
 
−
* Dani - '''Freeze Plan created'''
 
−
* John - '''Hackathon in London proposed by Ian Skerret'''
 
−
*
 
  
−
<hr/>
+
'''March 10, 2020''' - Lars, Tom
−
'''April 16, 2014''' - Dani, Alex
+
* Dani: Regrets for the call (vacation)
−
* no topics today
+
* ICU4J use still under discussion
 +
** if we can be confident that performance and language support are of *similar* quality, we should work towards removing icu4j because it reduces complexity for us, in addition allowing for smaller RCP apps
 +
** note that we already have mixed usage -- some components using icu4j and some not
 +
* to clarify approvals that require a project lead can be done by a project lead for any of the Eclipse Project subprojects
 +
** as usual, the project lead should take care to understand the change and its implications before approving
 +
* we will move to Jetty 10 (and thus to Java 11) for the fall release
 +
* RH will be leading releng for 4.16
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''April 9, 2014''' - Dani, Martin, Alex
 
−
* Dani - '''Kepler SR2 and Java 8'''
 
−
** Planning Council: Can build and host the patches, but messaging must be clear as "SR2 with the patches applied". Still polishing words of the download pages.
 
−
** Not added to aggregate repo ... one-time package without any updates
 
−
** Feature patch available on Marketplace (for manual update) - for those starting from scratch they can now get "Kepler + Patch"
 
−
** Not convinced that the extra downloads were necessary (early adopters already had the patch, new adopters can also get Luna) ... but current approach won't hurt.
 
  
−
* John - '''Hard to review all incoming Platform/UI Contributions'''
+
'''March 3, 2020''' - no meeting
−
** Dani tried to jump in on some issues like Icons
+
−
** Doubt that some of the work will really help bringing committers on board (such as the for loop conversion)
+
−
** Some of the initial contributors of very simple things have now grown into contributing real interesting things
+
−
** Getting more people involved in initial reviews (currently some 10 active committers, 4-5 fullday ones) - but mainly Eric and Paul review patches
+
  
−
<hr/>
 
  
−
'''April 2, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, John, Martin
+
'''February 25, 2020''' - Dani, McQ, Tom, Alex
−
* Dani - new GTK3+ issues
+
* Dani: Created and sent Endgame plan
−
** crash/hang when SWT AWT bridge is used, also affects JavaFX ({{bug|431330}})
+
* Dani: Submitted IP Log: https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21716
−
** problems with main menu ({{bug|419830}})
+
* Alex: SWT on Linux in 4.16 to require Gtk 3.20 to simplify CSS machinery and prep for GTK4
−
* Dani - '''Submitting the IP Log for the Java 8 Work'''
+
* Alex: ICU4J removal
−
** Currently not qualified as a "release", only submitting the IP log.
+
** Dani: ICU4J reacts faster to changes and supports more features (new Japanese era)
−
* Dani - need to '''approve API changes for Java 8 in M7'''
+
** Alex: It might but Eclipse fails at keeping up so current version shipped with Eclipse misses features that the JVM supports (latest CLDR)
−
** No API changes, only additions
+
** Dani: Asks for a proof that JVM is better that ICU
−
** Used / tested by JDT Core / JDT UI
+
** Alex: Which metrics to be measured?
−
** ObjectTeams (Stephan Herrmann) was involved
+
** Dani: Will check with ICU guy about that and whether it's still needed
−
** There were no objections i.e. changes were approved
+
−
* John - '''SWT over JavaFX'''
+
−
** EclipseCon: Steve Northover thought it was possible, just a lot of work
+
−
** Decide after Luna whether hosting in SWT or doing as a separate project
+
−
** Relationship to Tom Schindl's [http://www.eclipse.org/efxclipse/index.html e(fx)clipse project] ?
+
−
*** e(fx)clipse is more about tooling, not so much about rendering ...
+
−
*** Tom seems to have an alpha version, but not actively working on it
+
−
*** Seem to need some additional API in SWT - patch sits in Gerrit with nobody putting any attention at the moment. Details in {{bug|426243}}
+
−
*** Having this API in place would make the JavaFX port simpler
+
−
**** It look good but Alex has no idea whether it's the best idea and how acceptable on all platforms
+
−
**** John: May make sense in the next release, API can't be a near-term thing ... needs some backers who can invest significant time in it
+
−
*** Doug Schaefer is also pushing for JavaFX
+
  
  
−
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+
'''February 18, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Lars, Tom
−
'''March 26, 2014''' - John, Dani, Martin, Alex
+
* Dani: need to work on IP Log, Release Review and Endgame Plan
−
* John - '''EclipseCon Update'''
+
* Lars: ECF - will we update to the latest
−
** Slightly smaller than in the past, but VERY of positive attitude, LOT of excitement around Java 8 ... Oracle turned on the servers during one of the morning sessions
+
** Alex: is in the works. Scott needs to provide us with the update
−
** IoT / M2M - lots of demos on Raspberry Pi, many new projects
+
* Tom: Found an issue with JUnit 5 launching but not reproducible with latest I-build
−
** Very good content around Orion and Javascript, but a small crowd
+
** Dani: File a bug if you have steps or contact Noopur directly
−
** Great opening keynote from Mike Milinkovich on the history and future of Eclipse - mentioned Flux
+
* Dani: Update on X-builds and tags
−
** See also Blog Posts from [http://cdtdoug.ca/ Doug Schaefer] and [http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/author/irbull/ Ian Bull] as well as [https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/news/top-5-ian-bull top 5 from Ian]
+
−
* John - '''ARM port of GTK''' - any tracking items ?
+
−
** Bug exists for Launchers on ARM64 ; several other items too
+
−
** IBM PPC Little Endian port of SWT
+
−
** Test on less used architectures like Solaris? - similar to the Windows 8 case...
+
−
** Donating RHEL subscriptions to the Foundation was not accepted - John: Bug is open for having Hudson slaves run on other architectures
+
−
*** Example: {{bug|430698}}, {{bug|429237}}, {{bug|415757}}; {{bug|419855}} talks about running virtualbox images on a vserver
+
−
*** Denis is investigating some way running Hudson / HIPP instances on other hardware ... GTK3, Windows etc tests need other hardware
+
−
*** Check for cost of hardware, companies to donate it, and people to maintain it (Security patches!)
+
−
**** Alex could imagine RH signing up for some maintenance ... test machines could be entirely outside Eclipse.org infrastructure, isolated as their own sandbox
+
−
**** Hudson needs access though, thus need to be careful about security
+
−
* Alex - '''Java 8 vs Java 7''' currently can't build an Eclipse SDK when the build machine has only one of the JDK's
+
−
** In the past, it was possible to build with only Java 7 ... now, if I have Java 8 I cannot build (need Java 7 too)
+
−
** ==> Update on March 27 by Dani: this is {{bug|390889}} and we'll try to fix it for M7.
+
  
−
<hr/>
 
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'''March 19, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, McQ
 
−
* McQ - '''Congrats on Java 8 Release''' to coincide with the Oracle release
 
−
* Dani - '''Windows 8 Support''' - any answer to John's E-Mail ?
 
−
** McQ struggles with calling it a supported platform when nobody tests it; all we need to make sure is that somebody uses it
 
−
** Send note to Wayne, the epp-dev list and cross-project
 
−
** Make it clear that running on Win8 is a useful contribution ... and we WON't put Win8 on supported platforms list if we don't get that confirmation
 
  
−
<hr/>
+
'''February 11, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Lars, Tom
−
'''March 12, 2014''' - Alex, Martin, McQ, John
+
* Alex: Infrastructure is very instable, how can be complain to the foundation?
−
* GTK - SWT team discussions
+
** Alex: Eclipse foundation server team not responding to complains and seem unclear about the source of the issue
−
* John - '''preparing for Java 8 release'''
+
** Discussion about makes a stronger statement to the foundation about the bad state of the infrastructure
 +
** McQ: Suggestion to send a note as PMC to the foundation
 +
** Dani: First we should ask webmaster why this takes so long
 +
** Alex: Marketplace infrastructure is also in bad state
 +
*** Dead marketplace entries are not getting removed https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=550713
 +
*** No clean contact person from the foundation
 +
*** Marketplace is also not Open Source hence we cannot fix thing ourself.
  
−
<hr/>
+
-> Alex to contact Denis and to cc the other PMC members
−
'''March 5, 2014''' - John, Dani, Martin, Alex
+
−
* Dani: '''How to Avoid Spam in Gerrit''' - Bug in Bugzilla PMC bucket - consider offline
+
−
* Dani: '''Windows 8 Support'''
+
−
** Not listed in official plan
+
−
** No technical problem, but lack of resources - only 1 machine on the IBM team and that's a VM
+
−
** Add as supported Platform for Luna, or wait another year ?
+
−
** Most active development is on Linux and Windows 7 these days... agree with Dani that only active developer use helps finding real issues
+
−
** AI John: Send a note to eclipse-dev
+
−
*** Reaching out to Community to find an active user would be sufficient ... WPF or Win32 ? WPF is only a runtime target environment as of today.
+
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* Dani: '''State of GTK 3+'''
+
−
** Not yet fixed on Eclipse side, but GTK found a bug on their side that is going to be fixed; not yet sure though if that will fix everything
+
−
** Launcher now has a fallback to GTK2 if it detects the partially supported GTK3 version
+
−
** Good collaboration after an initial warm-up phase ... Eclipse SWT considered an important-enough client to make fixes for
+
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** Alex: Concerned about users with a GTK 3.8 distro that update to GTK 3.10 and get the fallback to GTK 2 activated which has crashes with autocomplete in the browser
+
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** On GTK 3.9 or newer, Launcher falls back to GTK 2 but that port is pretty much unmaintained, several other problems in there ... but not falling back is even worse
+
−
** Should be fine once distros start picking up paint / clipping issue fix (the not-drawing fix is still pending on SWT side)
+
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* Alex: '''GTK 3 in Mars'''
+
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** Bump minimum required version to only use cairo and get rid of older calls - this causes confusion with GTK folk
+
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** RHEL 5 would no longer work
+
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** Thanks to SWT now requiring Java 1.5, can simplify the code wrt JNI
+
  
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<hr/>
+
'''February 4, 2020''' - McQ, Dani, Tom
−
'''February 26, 2014''' - Alex, John, Martin, McQ
+
* OSGi Spec talk
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* John: '''Orion Release''' this week
+
** OSGi R8 Core will be done this year.
 +
** May be ready for 4.16, but no rush if it slips to 4.17
 +
** Will not put anything in master until spec is final which makes it more likely to be 4.17
  
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* Alex: '''Eclipse on ARM64'''
 
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** Launcher and swt at first
 
−
** Had ports for other architectures in source form in the past, risk to get stale but helps getting the ball rolling
 
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** John: Quite a lot steps to make a new Platform real - constants in OSGi, ... - but can happen piecemeal eg only do SWT first
 
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*** Martin: Would make sense to document the required steps for adding a new Platform while doing the job
 
−
*** At least, write up the TODO list - in order to make it easier the next time
 
−
** Should ask Tom Watson about OSGi constants
 
  
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* Dani: Update on '''GTK 3+ issue''' - bug filed against GTK, working on a workaround for fallback but not yet finished
+
'''January 28, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom, Lars
−
** Alex: Fix in GTK3 alone wouldn't work because SWT overrides GTK in that part
+
* Ongoing saga of the EPP packages
−
** McQ: If SWT API can't be implemented on top of new GTK API any more, discussion needs to happen
+
** Markus did it last week
−
*** If SWT does something wrong, would need pointers to what they should be doing instead...
+
** PMC discussed possible futures here, but no conclusions
−
*** Maybe a couple phone calls to talk through the technical details
+
** Discussion also happening at the board level
−
*** Don't fight over things ... figure out what's the right thing to do, and just do it
+
* M2 is this week
 +
* Pushing for JUnit updates for M2
  
  
−
<hr/>
+
'''January 21, 2020''' - Dani, Tom, Lars
−
'''February 19, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, John
+
* Dani: EPP builds still missing, Dani contacted Markus Knauer to update EPP for M1, release train is at risk if nobody steps up
−
* Dani: '''Silenio to work on GTK issue?'''
+
* New test failures are investigated, action plan is to restart the test, if they still fails restart the machine and if the tests still fail, see if a revert fixes the test
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* John: '''GTK testing at the Eclipse Foundation'''
+
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* John: '''e4 ML discussion about graduating some tools'''
+
−
** Model Editor, CSS Editor, CSS Spy, ...
+
−
** Fairly late, but risk is rather low -- suggest putting into PDE
+
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** Dani concerns: No PDE committers available for handholding - and stuff is not polished; even Lars sees it in Luna+1
+
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** John: These tools would only be used by people building RCP apps
+
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** Martin: What is the goal of trying to graduate?
+
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*** If it's just about getting more exposure, perhaps keep in incubation and add to the RCP EPP Package ?
+
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** Alex would like adding new people / interested contributors to PDE
+
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''February 5, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Alex
 
−
* Dani: '''Confcall Numbers:''' Skype into the US tollfree; Alex use SIP
 
−
* Martin: Eclipse 4 vs Eclipse 3.x - will file defects
 
−
* Alex: Testing on modern Linux
 
  
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<hr/>
+
'''January 14, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom
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'''January 22, 2014''' - John, Dani, Alex, Martin
+
* Dani: Switch to SUSE Enterprise 15, team is in favor to drop 12
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* John, Alex: '''New GTK 3.10 breaking Eclipse on latest Fedora'''
+
* Dani: Plan updated to remove Windows 7
−
** Alex been looking at Browser
+
* Alex: Felix Dependencies for SCR done
−
** Some Views not showing up - Silenio just back yesterday
+
** confirm fix for {{bug|544571}}
−
** Dani: For 4.4m5 and 4.3.2, will document issues in the README
+
** releng disruptions during update, but recovered. More disruptions expected as we update dependencies for March release.
−
*** Considered a fallback to "gtk2" support in the Launcher, but that was considered too risky
+
** broken builds, need to get a list of issues.  Seems to be more infrastructure issues.  Need to report back to the foundation. Example, the signing issue that broken the respin.
−
*** Silenio might have a workaround ... OK if the new code can be added conditionally for GTK 3.10 only
+
* Some discussion about gitlab option at foundation. {{bug|537913}}
−
* Dani: '''M5 Status'''
+
** What happens to gerrit work flow for review?
−
** Still many open bugs not triaged - component leads should triage earlier
+
** Would dropping bugzilla happen or can we migrate all issues?
 +
** Without migration it is a no-go for us
 +
** Currently no plans to move Eclipse project to gitlab at this time.
  
−
<hr/>
 
−
'''January 15, 2014''' - McQ, Andrew, Dani, Martin
 
−
* Dani: Lakshmi (SWT Team) going on maternity leave - SWT still a decent team of 4
 
−
* Andrew: PMC Participation - Suggestion
 
  
−
<hr/>
+
'''January 7, 2020''' - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom, Lars
−
'''January 8, 2014''' - Dani, Martin, Andrew, John, McQ
+
* Dani: Created initial 4.15 plan - please have a look
−
* Dani: '''API Freeze''' with M6 on March 7, but JDT cannot put Java 8 stuff in before (March 18) thus will have to ask for an exception
+
* Dani: Created release record for 4.15
 +
* Dani: Sent a note to teams to create their 4.15 plan items/bugs
 +
* Dani: Do we want to drop support for Windows 7 (remove from Target Environments only)
 +
** Unanimous decision: Yes
 +
* Dani: Discuss (again, see below) resolution for stale bugs
 +
** We want to ask the webmaster that stale bugs are directly closed. ACTION ITEM for Lars
 +
** We will only auto/mass close existing stale bugs with notification turned off
 +
* Change rules about x-internal exports ({{bug|553709}})
 +
** Decision:
 +
** - Newly added internal packages should not use x-internal exports unless there are very good reasons
 +
** - For existing packages the x-internal export can be removed with PMC approval
  
 
= Archive =
 
= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2019 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2019]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2018 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2018]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2017 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2017]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2016 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2016]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2015 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2015]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2014 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2014]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
 
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]

Revision as of 11:09, 21 April 2021

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every Tuesday at 11.00am EST.

Meeting Minutes

Mar 31, 2021 - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars

  • Java 16 jar signing issue
    • Tom wants to replace equinox implementation with builtin Jar file implementation so changes don't have to be done in Equinox on each release
  • JSP/Jetty story in IDE
    • Do we still need same functionality?
    • Alex - get out of the business for help system. Dependencies (jetty, lucene) generate more releng work than we can handle.
    • McQ - url for plugin help would be simplest and open it in browser
    • Any change (e.g. JSP removal) has to go through standard deprecation period, announcements and etc.
    • Alex to initiate communication on longer term plan with Holger who works on improvements to help system lately


Mar 31, 2021 - McQ, Tom, Alex

  • PMC call time
    • Overlaps with Planning council call and both Tom and Alex can't make both

-> Decision: Skip PMC call every first Wed of the month

  • Webpage Hugo migration
    • Recommended by Eclipse Foundation and active contributor to do the conversion
    • Concerns about mixing old and new content are raised but they don't look severe
    • Supported by PMC

-> Tom to handle initial communication on behalf of PMC

  • Planning process relevance
    • the planning process is not providing the detailed and usable plans from the past
    • not a pain point as fewer people participate it but looks like useless exercise quite often
    • to be discussed....


Mar 24, 2021 - Tom, Alex, Lars

  • Pack 200 - API removal in 2 years - 2023-06
    • Should we turn off all pack 200 features in one year, make it consistent across all Java versions.
    • 2022-06 - disable pack200 for all Java versions. Calling the deprecated API will be a no-op
  • Pack 200 - When can we stop generating? Agreed on 2021-09 release. We should set the precedence as early as possible to stop producing pack200 artifacts.
  • split packages
    • Causing issues with mandatory directive and p2 bug 360659 and with tycho.
    • Currently tycho requires some work arounds for usage of split packages
    • Can we work to get rid of split packages. We agreed to investigate the work and move to combine split packages if possible.


Mar 17, 2021 - McQ, Tom, Alex, Lars

  • SWT Chromium support
    • Still no recent version of Chromium with security patches
    • Will be dropped in M1 (if no recent version is provided in the next weeks or if no one steps up)
  • Pack 2000 support
    • not supported anymore as of Java 14
    • will be deprecated and marked for removal
  • Moving Eclipse repos to Github
    • Moving to Github might simplify and therefore increase contributions
    • Huge amount of work in releng
    • Potentially we should all subprojects at the same time
    • We check if the foundation plans to move everything to Gitlab


Mar 10, 2021 - McQ, Tom, Alex

  • Moving to Jetty 10 for next release
  • platform-dev discussion about move to GitHub
    • conversation is useful, but would take a lot of planning
    • lots of current rel eng dependencies on Gerrit
      • need more community help for rel eng issues
    • a massive amount of history in our Bugzilla
  • release record and proto-plan created for 4.20


Febr 17, 2021 - Lars, Alex, McQ

  • Looks good for 4.19 release
  • Mac ARM has to wait for the 4.20 release, as the team fights multiple issues
  • Top-level project page can currently only be edited by Tom, other PMC members also have access to it https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse/who


Dec 15, 2020 - Lars, Alex, McQ

  • 06. January 2021 is the next meeting
  • How can PMC increase the awareness of the project leads / committers?
    • Maybe invite the project leads once per month to the PMC meeting?
    • Discussion how we can increase the JDT community


Dec 01, 2020 - Lars, Alex, McQ

  • RC1 is out; final touches on RC2
  • How can we remove the confusion about "e4" project?
    • e4 has always been intended to be a sandbox project where people could try things that are experimental or are on a longer timeline
    • Should be renamed to make it clear this isn't about leftovers from the Eclipse 4.0 work (maybe "eNext"?)
    • Should clean up repos
      • Remove repos that just hold code that has already moved to the platform
      • Remove repos that are no longer getting any investment
      • Work toward moving things that are active/useful into the platform (e.g. "spies" to PDE)

Nov 24, 2020 - Lars, Alex, McQ

  • PMC is considering the potential of an SDK / IDE working group at the foundation
  • Discussion Do we need the extra releng work to create p2 repositories for milestones?
    • Lot of extra work and sometimes goes wrong
    • All I-Builds are anyway available

-> PMC decided to drop the additional p2 repository -> Alex will be sending out an email about it to inform potential users of the special p2 repos

    • Discussion about the purpose of the milestone week at all

-> Decision not to change the process for now, as the additional testing and focus has also some benefits


Nov 17, 2020 - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ

  • Release 4.18 winding down
    • SWT churn for Linux and Mac Big Sur
    • Does not appear the Foundation got the new Mac Hardware for testing
  • Planning Council discussion
    • Dani filled the Eclipse TLP representation role on the Council
    • Alex can take the lead to that role
    • Alex will look to find a replacement for the tools TLP representative


Nov 10, 2020 - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ

  • Still dealing with the loss of Dani
  • Discussed representation of JDT on PMC
  • Stabilizing for M3
  • Some releng issues with Java 15 and 16
  • Tom began investigating p2 ECF httpclient dependency


Nov 10, 2020 - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ

  • Still dealing with the loss of Dani
  • Discussed representation of JDT on PMC
  • Stabilizing for M3
  • Some releng issues with Java 15 and 16
  • Tom began investigating p2 ECF httpclient dependency


Nov 3, 2020 - Lars, Alex, Tom, McQ

  • Dani!


Oct 27, 2020 - Lars, Tom

  • Nothing to discuss


Oct 20, 2020 - Lars, Tom, McQ, Alex

  • EclipseCon is running virtual this week
  • Agreement that removal of API should only before M1 release
  • Proof of concept for using Java 11 http client instead of ECF should be done
  • if we remove ECF we should send out an announcement and keep it for at least one release
  • Decision to start using the @Deprecated(since = "x.y.z", forRemoval = true) for planned API removals if the bundle can use Java 11, wiki for API removal should be updated

Oct 6, 2020 - Dani, Tom, McQ, Alex

  • M1 under control
  • Release train materials being worked
  • Moved to Jetty 9.4.32
  • ECF — need to simplify how we consume http client
    • could use Java11 http client instead, but this would require significant development effort
    • Tom/Alex to take an initial stab at understanding scope + open bugs
  • Proposal: remove API once a year
    • Given the already long time for consumers to respond to API deprecation, PMC decision was to continue to allow API removal in any release. It was felt that the incremental benefit was outweighed by the need to be able to move forward quickly.


Sep 15, 2020 - Dani, Tom, Lars, Alex

  • M1
    • Next week M1 - Alex to send reminder note
    • Holiday in India on this Friday
  • Y-Build for Java 16
    • Builds should be fixed and can continue to progress on Java 16
  • SCR upgrade
    • Some issues with EBR maven plugin
    • causes versions to be incorrectly represented in p2 meta-data
    • Orbit needs a new lead, will end up impacting us if no replacement found
  • Tycho being updated to be able to OSGi-fy JARs if they are not there yet.
    • How to use this for a feature?
    • Behaves much like Orbit to produce new versions of the artifact.
    • Could be the solution for Orbit needs.


Sep 22, 2020 - no meeting


Sep 15, 2020 - McQ, Dani, Lars, Tom, Alex

  • Dani: Java 15 released today
    • 4.17 release together with Marketplace for Java 15 support are ready
    • JDT Java 15 to be merged this week
  • Dani: Zoom call with password unless each of the PMC members can be added as meeting owner so can start the meeting
  • Alex: 4.18 stream opened and releng work calmed down
  • Lars: Cleanup of migration guides
    • Dani: this will break existing links, so existing content have to stay unless someone does all the work to fix our plans and other links that will break
    • McQ: help system needs work to focus on the latest stuff/release, what should we do to achieve it? How can we better shape the help system now that having all content ofline is not a requirement?
    • Alex: do not ship migration, n&n,etc. but rather point to website url from help system
    • Alex: this would also reduce manual work for releng (+1 by Dani)
    • ACTION ITEM: Alex to work on n&n in help system to use the website content directly as a proof of concept for further work


Sep 01, 2020 - Lars, Alex

  • RC1 is fine, no additional requests for RC2


August 25, 2020 - Tom, Lars, Alex, Dani

  • Dani: sent out Endgame plan, RC1 this week, vacation starting on Friday
  • Alex informed about Red Hat's Releng participation


August 18, 2020 - Tom, Lars, Dani

  • Dani to create and send out Endgame plan
  • Looking into Mac Big Sur launching issue (bug 565913)


August 11, 2020 - Alex, Dani, Tom, McQ

  • Eclipse Foundation is getting access to an Apple Silicon dev kit
    • Will make it available to SWT devs via cloud connectivity
  • M3 next week; RC1 following week
  • ARM64 port seems to be working fine, except for browser widget (still investigating)


August 4, 2020 - Alex, Lars, Dani

  • no topics to discuss


July 28, 2020 - Tom, McQ

  • no topics to discuss


July 21, 2020 - Tom, Dani, Alex, McQ, Lars

  • no topics to discuss
  • Alex on vacation next week


July 14, 2020 - Tom, Dani, Alex, McQ, Lars

  • Project status
    • M1 shipped last week
    • Draft Plan for 4.17 posted - additional fixes done after review
    • Release record created for 4.17
  • CQ process discussion - new clearly defined process
    • Note sent to Wayne to get clarifications on handbook, Wayne has made some edits in response. We need to review latest handbook
    • Should simplify IP clearance for third party libraries
      • If a bundle is approved by clearly defined it can be added with no CQ as long as the mavin URLs/coordinates are vetted by clearly defined
      • Orbit should soon automate the linking to clearly defined approvals for bundles added. Currently a work in progress by Roland at Orbit.
      • The ratings system at clearly defined is not used. Only the license check is used.
    • PMC needs to review latest handbook on the topic ... As of now we should move forward with the new process
      • If concerns arise later we will need to take actions to correct
  • bug 565066 - Needs some attention to the solution and testing
    • attempt to make incremental installation be consistent with resolution of a fresh install (or -clean).


June 23, 2020 - no call

June 16, 2020 - no call

June 9, 2020 - Alex, Dani, McQ, Lars, Tom

  • McQ: message to guide the community got no public reactions so far
  • Dani: bug reports needed for JDT, do we have PMC agreement?
    • Alex: For me that was approved after jdt-dev vote ended
    • AGREED
  • Dani: RC2 done, no major bug so far but still monitoriing for regressions
  • Alex: 4.17 stream open, not finished until 4.16 if final so all apichecks and etc. are in proper shape
  • Tom: OSGi R8 merge after stabilizing 4.17 stream
  • Tom: OSGi Move to Java 8 right after that
  • Dani: Switch to Java 11 as min version as it was already announced to happen in 4.17 stream shortly


June 2, 2020 - Alex, Dani, McQ, Lars, Tom

  • Inactive committer clean up for Eclipse project for the 4.16 release started via bug 563720
  • Infrastructure is really slow for RC2 release
  • RC2 bug queue is really low, one restart issue which is currently under investigated by Tom
  • Discussion about the JDT cleanup e-mails
    • Need to ensure community discussions are positive and respectful.
    • Expectations here should come from leadership
      • LibreOffice did this in the past to great success.
    • Committers can vote against bugs but the tone of the discussion is important.
    • PMC will respond via the public mailing list within a week


May 26, 2020 - Alex, Dani, McQ


May 19, 2020 - Tom, Dani, Lars, Alex

  • Dani: Issues with the build infrastructure, might endanger M3, the team got a working build for testing
  • Dani: PowerPC hardware was donated so builds are starting again for it
  • Alex: CQ process might get simpler based on blog post from Wayne, Alex to test and validate with Wayne https://blogs.eclipse.org/post/wayne-beaton/revising-eclipse-ip-due-diligence-process-third-party-content
  • Lars: Question if we want to allow "EGit" commit style in Eclipse top-level project. Agreement was to allow it but not to recommend it or enforce it


May 12, 2020 - Tom, Dani, McQ, Lars, Alex

  • Update to themes
    • Preference being added for choosing square vs round tabs
    • Intern from Alex's team is taking up the work
    • Update to Windows theme to be Windows 10
  • Alex brings up changes to CQ requirements. Need to read up on Wayne's post about this and discuss in a future call if we can change how the project does CQs
  • Who is running dark theme?
    • Need someone to cover test of Dark Theme on Linux. Lars indicated that he runs with Linux Dark Theme and can help in coverage
    • Dani described the various members of his team that cover the rest of the platforms
  • Request to contribute to article on what is new in the release for a June newsletter. Lars to contribute improvements in the Dark theme. General request to others to contribute anything else.
  • ppc64le build troubles
    • Been having ongoing issues with the university hosted ppc64le machine we use to build support for ppc64le
    • Currently the ppc64le build has been disabled
    • Need to find alternatives
      • May be able to use something from IBM public cloud
      • Other suggestions: McQ - look towards using emulation, Alex - could do cross-compilation
    • Need to plan if ppc 10 will supported in the future


May 5, 2020 - Dani, Alex, Lars, McQ, Tom

  • M2 shipped on time
    • Dark theme rebuild for M2 due to severe issue
  • ICU4J removal note sent
    • Lars - 2 years notice period needed?
    • Agreement: it's needed as we expose it in API and still have usages in internals so we need time to clean up ourself
    • EPPs cleanup - some blocked by JDT still using it, some by WTP, Rust probably the first one to be icu4j clean
  • Roundes vs square ctabfolder
    • Number of themes to be reduced
    • Performance not being measurable
    • Agreement: add preference to switch the rounded vs
    • Agreement: when preference is available Square is default
  • Windows theme update -
    • Fix colors to match Windows 10
    • GTK looks way more sane as more effort has been invested to keep it current
    • Don't set colors but use the colors from the OS theme is the recipe
    • Ugly white line on windows dark theme needs bugzilla open


April 28, 2020 - Dani, Alex, Lars


April 21, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Q: How do we deal with ICU removal from data binding?
    • Need to follow standard API removal rules
      • Deprecate old API and offer new API
      • Remove deprecated API after 2 years
    • Can we put the old stuff in a fragment that could be removed?
  • Theming: rounded tabs versus square tabs (bug 562221)
    • Should we offer it at all?
    • Alex: Don’t increase the number of themes or options
    • Lars: Square tabs are faster
    • If speed is significant, we should consider changing the default


April 14, 2020 - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Dani
    • M1 shipped, no problems so far
    • Using ECJ from M1 to build the SDK has some issues, there are people working on it
    • 4.16 plan to be published this week
  • Unanimous decision to continue to use Zoom as usual


April 7, 2020 - McQ, Dani, Alex, Tom, Lars

  • Dani
    • Created 4.16 plan
    • Created release record for 4.16. Corresponding bug is bug 561643
    • Sent note to add planning bugs for 4.16
    • Please review and provide feedback if any
    • After some infrastructure issues we have a good test build and currently things look good for M1 this week
  • Alex seconded the infrastructure issues and missing test results
  • ICU4J (bug 560312): we decided to remove it piece by piece from projects where possible and where someone is interested to do it. The ICU bundle itself will stay, and we will follow the API removal process when we are ready to remove it, i.e. no usage in the SDK anymore


March 31, 2020 - Dani, Alex, McQ, Tom, Lars

  • Dani: Contacted the ICU4J owner. He updated bug 560312, PMC members will review the comment and we will discuss next week
  • Dani: Planning bugs are created slowly for 4.16. Will send a reminder to the list to submit more. Started to work on plan and release record.


March 24, 2020 - Alex, McQ, Tom

  • Dani: Regrets for the call (Eclipse Board call)
  • Alex: status updates
    • JDT merged Java 14 in master
    • Build instability due to infra status
  • Alex: OSGi R8 modules support - what is it?
    • Tom: ability to represent external content in the OSGi framework
    • Alex: Will it allow shipping eclipse plugins as JPMS modules to ease native library handling?
    • Tom: Haven't found any clear example how JPMS handles this, so good example is needed before could be looked further.


March 17, 2020 - Alex, McQ, Lars Tom, Dani

  • ICU4J use still under discussion
    • Dani still to contact ICU4J owner
  • Shipping Java 14 and 4.15 this week
  • Java 14 work will be merged to master on Wednesday


March 10, 2020 - Lars, Tom

  • Dani: Regrets for the call (vacation)
  • ICU4J use still under discussion
    • if we can be confident that performance and language support are of *similar* quality, we should work towards removing icu4j because it reduces complexity for us, in addition allowing for smaller RCP apps
    • note that we already have mixed usage -- some components using icu4j and some not
  • to clarify approvals that require a project lead can be done by a project lead for any of the Eclipse Project subprojects
    • as usual, the project lead should take care to understand the change and its implications before approving
  • we will move to Jetty 10 (and thus to Java 11) for the fall release
  • RH will be leading releng for 4.16


March 3, 2020 - no meeting


February 25, 2020 - Dani, McQ, Tom, Alex

  • Dani: Created and sent Endgame plan
  • Dani: Submitted IP Log: https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21716
  • Alex: SWT on Linux in 4.16 to require Gtk 3.20 to simplify CSS machinery and prep for GTK4
  • Alex: ICU4J removal
    • Dani: ICU4J reacts faster to changes and supports more features (new Japanese era)
    • Alex: It might but Eclipse fails at keeping up so current version shipped with Eclipse misses features that the JVM supports (latest CLDR)
    • Dani: Asks for a proof that JVM is better that ICU
    • Alex: Which metrics to be measured?
    • Dani: Will check with ICU guy about that and whether it's still needed


February 18, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Lars, Tom

  • Dani: need to work on IP Log, Release Review and Endgame Plan
  • Lars: ECF - will we update to the latest
    • Alex: is in the works. Scott needs to provide us with the update
  • Tom: Found an issue with JUnit 5 launching but not reproducible with latest I-build
    • Dani: File a bug if you have steps or contact Noopur directly
  • Dani: Update on X-builds and tags


February 11, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Lars, Tom

  • Alex: Infrastructure is very instable, how can be complain to the foundation?
    • Alex: Eclipse foundation server team not responding to complains and seem unclear about the source of the issue
    • Discussion about makes a stronger statement to the foundation about the bad state of the infrastructure
    • McQ: Suggestion to send a note as PMC to the foundation
    • Dani: First we should ask webmaster why this takes so long
    • Alex: Marketplace infrastructure is also in bad state

-> Alex to contact Denis and to cc the other PMC members

February 4, 2020 - McQ, Dani, Tom

  • OSGi Spec talk
    • OSGi R8 Core will be done this year.
    • May be ready for 4.16, but no rush if it slips to 4.17
    • Will not put anything in master until spec is final which makes it more likely to be 4.17


January 28, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom, Lars

  • Ongoing saga of the EPP packages
    • Markus did it last week
    • PMC discussed possible futures here, but no conclusions
    • Discussion also happening at the board level
  • M2 is this week
  • Pushing for JUnit updates for M2


January 21, 2020 - Dani, Tom, Lars

  • Dani: EPP builds still missing, Dani contacted Markus Knauer to update EPP for M1, release train is at risk if nobody steps up
  • New test failures are investigated, action plan is to restart the test, if they still fails restart the machine and if the tests still fail, see if a revert fixes the test


January 14, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom

  • Dani: Switch to SUSE Enterprise 15, team is in favor to drop 12
  • Dani: Plan updated to remove Windows 7
  • Alex: Felix Dependencies for SCR done
    • confirm fix for bug 544571
    • releng disruptions during update, but recovered. More disruptions expected as we update dependencies for March release.
    • broken builds, need to get a list of issues. Seems to be more infrastructure issues. Need to report back to the foundation. Example, the signing issue that broken the respin.
  • Some discussion about gitlab option at foundation. bug 537913
    • What happens to gerrit work flow for review?
    • Would dropping bugzilla happen or can we migrate all issues?
    • Without migration it is a no-go for us
    • Currently no plans to move Eclipse project to gitlab at this time.


January 7, 2020 - McQ, Alex, Dani, Tom, Lars

  • Dani: Created initial 4.15 plan - please have a look
  • Dani: Created release record for 4.15
  • Dani: Sent a note to teams to create their 4.15 plan items/bugs
  • Dani: Do we want to drop support for Windows 7 (remove from Target Environments only)
    • Unanimous decision: Yes
  • Dani: Discuss (again, see below) resolution for stale bugs
    • We want to ask the webmaster that stale bugs are directly closed. ACTION ITEM for Lars
    • We will only auto/mass close existing stale bugs with notification turned off
  • Change rules about x-internal exports (bug 553709)
    • Decision:
    • - Newly added internal packages should not use x-internal exports unless there are very good reasons
    • - For existing packages the x-internal export can be removed with PMC approval

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