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= Documents =
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Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:
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* [[E4/Graduation_4.0]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Unix Groups]]
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= Meeting Schedule =
 
= Meeting Schedule =
  
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= Meeting Minutes =
 
= Meeting Minutes =
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'''April 23, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, John, Alex, Martin
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* Alex - '''GTK2 Xulrunner Crashes'''
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** GTK2 crashes the Browser
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** GTK3 still has some drawing issues (fighting them one by one, but functionally everything is there)
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** McQ: If neither state is really good, need to choose the option that's moving forward (switch to GTK3)
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* Dani - '''Freeze Plan created'''
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* John - '''Hackathon in London proposed by Ian Skerret'''
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*
  
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'''Mar 11:''' - McQ, Steve, Jeff, Martin
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<hr/>
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* Martin - '''{{bug|227055}} and late API additions'''
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'''April 16, 2014''' - Dani, Alex
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** McQ: after m6 is too late if it has any downstream impact (changing behavior, deleting things, ...). Plain API additions may slip a week.
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* no topics today
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** Steve: If new API has effect on performance and polish, may look more favorably.
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** If going in after M6, it needs to go through the process (e-mail and public discussion on eclipse-pmc list).
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** Strict API Tooling checks to be enabled next week
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* McQ - '''state of M6'''; some late UI things to review
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** Some low-risk polish Cocoa items for Eclipsecon (enablers)
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** Still changes in p2 (after m6), but stabilizing
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* Martin/Jeff - '''New Target Platform Page''' may require more tweaking - risk of breaking community workflows!
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** E.g. adding a directory to the target platform; Jeff uses target platforms a lot, so he's likely more exposed than most of the Community... 10 to 15 locations with hundreds of bundles...
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** Related to the {{bug|224145}} p2 "extension location" problem which broke user workflows. Don't want to have such breakage again.
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* Jeff - '''Status on Galileo Must do's''' - deferred to next week
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* McQ - '''p2 OSGi OBR Repositories'''
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** Jeff: OSGi wants to foster bundle store / bundle repositories, and specify a repository standard (long-standing RFE112 never been ratified)
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** Similar to p2, but does have some potential issues
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** Ideally, Equinox would be the reference impl of whatever standard comes up... but got a staffing problem, how to get the solution standardized that we need.
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*** Writing a p2 OBR repository adapter is not hard, but OBR repos won't be able to eat p2 metadata
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** p2 doesn't care about XML format whereas OBR specifies the XML. p2 got more sophisticated API model. Jeff doesn't have access to the latest spec.
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* Steve wants Eclipsecon demos to be done on '''Cocoa''', will expedite any bugfixes (please do file them!). Jeff needs browser integration.
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<hr/>
 
<hr/>
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'''April 9, 2014''' - Dani, Martin, Alex
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* Dani - '''Kepler SR2 and Java 8'''
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** Planning Council: Can build and host the patches, but messaging must be clear as "SR2 with the patches applied". Still polishing words of the download pages.
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** Not added to aggregate repo ... one-time package without any updates
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** Feature patch available on Marketplace (for manual update) - for those starting from scratch they can now get "Kepler + Patch"
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** Not convinced that the extra downloads were necessary (early adopters already had the patch, new adopters can also get Luna) ... but current approach won't hurt.
  
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'''Mar 4:''' - McQ, Steve, Jeff, Philippe, Martin
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* John - '''Hard to review all incoming Platform/UI Contributions'''
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** Dani tried to jump in on some issues like Icons
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** Doubt that some of the work will really help bringing committers on board (such as the for loop conversion)
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** Some of the initial contributors of very simple things have now grown into contributing real interesting things
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** Getting more people involved in initial reviews (currently some 10 active committers, 4-5 fullday ones) - but mainly Eric and Paul review patches
  
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* Upgrade 3.4 -> 3.5
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** Will we be able to support this in p2?
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*** Nope, needed hooks already in previous release (ie. needed them in 3.4 to be used by 3.5)
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'''April 2, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, John, Martin
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** Problems include replacing the Eclipse .exe
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* Dani - new GTK3+ issues
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** Is this an important use case?  There is no band width to solve this problem in 3.5
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** crash/hang when SWT AWT bridge is used, also affects JavaFX ({{bug|431330}})
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** it's a good showcase for p2 technology
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** problems with main menu ({{bug|419830}})
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** idea: put in the low level hooks for 3.5.1 and use them next time (ie. 3.5 -> 3.6)
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* Dani - '''Submitting the IP Log for the Java 8 Work'''
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** Did Update Manager ever do this?
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** Currently not qualified as a "release", only submitting the IP log.
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*** Jeff: It does not
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* Dani - need to '''approve API changes for Java 8 in M7'''
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** No API changes, only additions
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** Used / tested by JDT Core / JDT UI
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** ObjectTeams (Stephan Herrmann) was involved
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** There were no objections i.e. changes were approved
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* John - '''SWT over JavaFX'''
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** EclipseCon: Steve Northover thought it was possible, just a lot of work
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** Decide after Luna whether hosting in SWT or doing as a separate project
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** Relationship to Tom Schindl's [http://www.eclipse.org/efxclipse/index.html e(fx)clipse project] ?
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*** e(fx)clipse is more about tooling, not so much about rendering ...
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*** Tom seems to have an alpha version, but not actively working on it
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*** Seem to need some additional API in SWT - patch sits in Gerrit with nobody putting any attention at the moment. Details in {{bug|426243}}
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*** Having this API in place would make the JavaFX port simpler
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**** It look good but Alex has no idea whether it's the best idea and how acceptable on all platforms
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**** John: May make sense in the next release, API can't be a near-term thing ... needs some backers who can invest significant time in it
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*** Doug Schaefer is also pushing for JavaFX
  
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* Deprecating Mac carbon?
 
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** Apple claims Cocoa is the future
 
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** 3.5 will be the last version of Eclipse where Carbon is under active development
 
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*** But will maintain for 3.6 and 3.7
 
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** Q: Has Apple officially deprecated carbon?
 
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*** No but they have down played it (ie. no 64-bit support for carbon)
 
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** Should there be an official deprecation policy for platforms?
 
  
 
<hr/>
 
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'''March 26, 2014''' - John, Dani, Martin, Alex
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* John - '''EclipseCon Update'''
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** Slightly smaller than in the past, but VERY of positive attitude, LOT of excitement around Java 8 ... Oracle turned on the servers during one of the morning sessions
 +
** IoT / M2M - lots of demos on Raspberry Pi, many new projects
 +
** Very good content around Orion and Javascript, but a small crowd
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** Great opening keynote from Mike Milinkovich on the history and future of Eclipse - mentioned Flux
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** See also Blog Posts from [http://cdtdoug.ca/ Doug Schaefer] and [http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/author/irbull/ Ian Bull] as well as [https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/news/top-5-ian-bull top 5 from Ian]
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* John - '''ARM port of GTK''' - any tracking items ?
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** Bug exists for Launchers on ARM64 ; several other items too
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** IBM PPC Little Endian port of SWT
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** Test on less used architectures like Solaris? - similar to the Windows 8 case...
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** Donating RHEL subscriptions to the Foundation was not accepted - John: Bug is open for having Hudson slaves run on other architectures
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*** Example: {{bug|430698}}, {{bug|429237}}, {{bug|415757}}; {{bug|419855}} talks about running virtualbox images on a vserver
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*** Denis is investigating some way running Hudson / HIPP instances on other hardware ... GTK3, Windows etc tests need other hardware
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*** Check for cost of hardware, companies to donate it, and people to maintain it (Security patches!)
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**** Alex could imagine RH signing up for some maintenance ... test machines could be entirely outside Eclipse.org infrastructure, isolated as their own sandbox
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**** Hudson needs access though, thus need to be careful about security
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* Alex - '''Java 8 vs Java 7''' currently can't build an Eclipse SDK when the build machine has only one of the JDK's
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** In the past, it was possible to build with only Java 7 ... now, if I have Java 8 I cannot build (need Java 7 too)
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** ==> Update on March 27 by Dani: this is {{bug|390889}} and we'll try to fix it for M7.
  
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'''Feb 25:''' - McQ, Steve, Martin, Philippe
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<hr/>
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'''March 19, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, McQ
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* McQ - '''Congrats on Java 8 Release''' to coincide with the Oracle release
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* Dani - '''Windows 8 Support''' - any answer to John's E-Mail ?
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** McQ struggles with calling it a supported platform when nobody tests it; all we need to make sure is that somebody uses it
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** Send note to Wayne, the epp-dev list and cross-project
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** Make it clear that running on Win8 is a useful contribution ... and we WON't put Win8 on supported platforms list if we don't get that confirmation
  
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* AC "committers should know" mail
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** '''Following external links''' McQ why not introduce some Javascript on the server that warns users automatically when they follow an external link?
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'''March 12, 2014''' - Alex, Martin, McQ, John
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** Components to projects flattening (not on our plate at the time)
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* GTK - SWT team discussions
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* Steve Target milestones for Eclipse project
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* John - '''preparing for Java 8 release'''
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* BZ patches to be flagged when they contain API
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* '''N-builds broken''' over the weekend (again) - 3 weekends in a row - no people currently who are willing to work during the weekend
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** Hudson might help eventually, for now using e4 builds as the guinea pig
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* '''UI Forms has no committers''' - opportunity for Community to become committer
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** migrate off (using internal browser instead)
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** no critical bugs, less than 125 interesting bugs
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** long-term future is e4 with css/styling and declarative ui
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* '''Performance:''' No news (not yet while closing down API)
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** Philippe thinks that the performance milestone must be earlier since performance might touch on API. We're losing memory because rebasing
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** McQ - this cycle we had a performance run in M2, this year we're in a better position than last year
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'''Feb 18:''' - no meeting
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<hr/>
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'''March 5, 2014''' - John, Dani, Martin, Alex
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* Dani: '''How to Avoid Spam in Gerrit''' - Bug in Bugzilla PMC bucket - consider offline
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* Dani: '''Windows 8 Support'''
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** Not listed in official plan
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** No technical problem, but lack of resources - only 1 machine on the IBM team and that's a VM
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** Add as supported Platform for Luna, or wait another year ?
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** Most active development is on Linux and Windows 7 these days... agree with Dani that only active developer use helps finding real issues
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** AI John: Send a note to eclipse-dev
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*** Reaching out to Community to find an active user would be sufficient ... WPF or Win32 ? WPF is only a runtime target environment as of today.
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* Dani: '''State of GTK 3+'''
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** Not yet fixed on Eclipse side, but GTK found a bug on their side that is going to be fixed; not yet sure though if that will fix everything
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** Launcher now has a fallback to GTK2 if it detects the partially supported GTK3 version
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** Good collaboration after an initial warm-up phase ... Eclipse SWT considered an important-enough client to make fixes for
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** Alex: Concerned about users with a GTK 3.8 distro that update to GTK 3.10 and get the fallback to GTK 2 activated which has crashes with autocomplete in the browser
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** On GTK 3.9 or newer, Launcher falls back to GTK 2 but that port is pretty much unmaintained, several other problems in there ... but not falling back is even worse
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** Should be fine once distros start picking up paint / clipping issue fix (the not-drawing fix is still pending on SWT side)
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* Alex: '''GTK 3 in Mars'''
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** Bump minimum required version to only use cairo and get rid of older calls - this causes confusion with GTK folk
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** RHEL 5 would no longer work
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** Thanks to SWT now requiring Java 1.5, can simplify the code wrt JNI
  
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'''Feb 11:'''
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<hr/>
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'''February 26, 2014''' - Alex, John, Martin, McQ
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* John: '''Orion Release''' this week
  
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'''Feb 4:'''
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* Alex: '''Eclipse on ARM64'''
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** Launcher and swt at first
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** Had ports for other architectures in source form in the past, risk to get stale but helps getting the ball rolling
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** John: Quite a lot steps to make a new Platform real - constants in OSGi, ... - but can happen piecemeal eg only do SWT first
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*** Martin: Would make sense to document the required steps for adding a new Platform while doing the job
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*** At least, write up the TODO list - in order to make it easier the next time
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** Should ask Tom Watson about OSGi constants
  
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* Dani: Update on '''GTK 3+ issue''' - bug filed against GTK, working on a workaround for fallback but not yet finished
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** Alex: Fix in GTK3 alone wouldn't work because SWT overrides GTK in that part
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** McQ: If SWT API can't be implemented on top of new GTK API any more, discussion needs to happen
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*** If SWT does something wrong, would need pointers to what they should be doing instead...
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*** Maybe a couple phone calls to talk through the technical details
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*** Don't fight over things ... figure out what's the right thing to do, and just do it
  
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'''Jan 28:'''
 
  
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* Java 6
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** move reference platform to Sun 6u11
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'''February 19, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, John
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*** problem(?): Sun added 3 new items added that are licensed LGPL or GPL
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* Dani: '''Silenio to work on GTK issue?'''
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*** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] Martin added comment to {{bug|261724}} to identify this issue
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* John: '''GTK testing at the Eclipse Foundation'''
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* ICU 4.0
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* John: '''e4 ML discussion about graduating some tools'''
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** we will stay with 4.0
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** Model Editor, CSS Editor, CSS Spy, ...
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* Deprecation Policy
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** Fairly late, but risk is rather low -- suggest putting into PDE
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** still under discussion, {{bug|261544}}
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** Dani concerns: No PDE committers available for handholding - and stuff is not polished; even Lars sees it in Luna+1
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* Use of internal provisional
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** John: These tools would only be used by people building RCP apps
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** seems to be some consensus about *not* requiring this, {{bug|261874}}
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** Martin: What is the goal of trying to graduate?
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* JDT co-leadership
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*** If it's just about getting more exposure, perhaps keep in incubation and add to the RCP EPP Package ?
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** what is the process?
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** Alex would like adding new people / interested contributors to PDE
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*** Jeff: vote in community; then propose to the PMC
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*** Would like to get Dani Meghert involved.
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*** Philippe will check development process documents
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* Cocoa port
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** Looking good
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** Taking early access off and making it the "first" choice for Mac downloads
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* Milestone progress / 3.4.2
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** Need to discuss M5 in arch call (should have done this last week)
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** Should always remind the team in the arch call of upcoming deadlines
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** Performance issues that need API to fix have to happen by M6
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*** Teams should understand performance results (will be discussed in a couple of weeks)
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* Re: Reference Platforms
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** Java6 on Solaris
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*** Martin's company would like to support this
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*** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] filed {{bug|262907}} to discuss process and practices around reference platforms
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'''Jan 21:'''
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'''February 5, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Alex
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* Dani: '''Confcall Numbers:''' Skype into the US tollfree; Alex use SIP
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* Martin: Eclipse 4 vs Eclipse 3.x - will file defects
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* Alex: Testing on modern Linux
  
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* How should we track meeting minutes topic - Wiki
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* Provisional API conventions - Jeff working on {{bug|261874}} for discussion at the AC
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'''January 22, 2014''' - John, Dani, Alex, Martin
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** should there be a tag in the Javadoc (ie. "experimental")?
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* John, Alex: '''New GTK 3.10 breaking Eclipse on latest Fedora'''
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** Jeff wants to keep the concerns "conventions" vs "Javadoc" separate
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** Alex been looking at Browser
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** Jeff, "... Javadoc should not be generated for provisional ..."
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** Some Views not showing up - Silenio just back yesterday
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** Martin disagrees, "... need feedback and discussion for new API ..."
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** Dani: For 4.4m5 and 4.3.2, will document issues in the README
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* What is the '''role of the PMC lead?'''
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*** Considered a fallback to "gtk2" support in the Launcher, but that was considered too risky
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** global view of components/processes
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*** Silenio might have a workaround ... OK if the new code can be added conditionally for GTK 3.10 only
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** organize architecture call, ensure we are on track
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* Dani: '''M5 Status'''
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** spark conversations (ie. M5 is feature freeze)
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** Still many open bugs not triaged - component leads should triage earlier
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* '''Reference platforms'''
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** we should choose JDK1.6, "update 11" rather than "update 4"
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** around "RC time", solidify the reference platform (it is the one we are testing on)
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'''Jan 14:'''
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'''January 15, 2014''' - McQ, Andrew, Dani, Martin
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* Dani: Lakshmi (SWT Team) going on maternity leave - SWT still a decent team of 4
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* Andrew: PMC Participation - Suggestion
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'''January 8, 2014''' - Dani, Martin, Andrew, John, McQ
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* Dani: '''API Freeze''' with M6 on March 7, but JDT cannot put Java 8 stuff in before (March 18) thus will have to ask for an exception
  
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* PMC component ownership x bugzilla pmc authorization
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= Archive =
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]]
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* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]]

Revision as of 10:42, 23 April 2014

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every wednesday at 10.30am EST.

Meeting Minutes

April 23, 2014 - McQ, Dani, John, Alex, Martin

  • Alex - GTK2 Xulrunner Crashes
    • GTK2 crashes the Browser
    • GTK3 still has some drawing issues (fighting them one by one, but functionally everything is there)
    • McQ: If neither state is really good, need to choose the option that's moving forward (switch to GTK3)
  • Dani - Freeze Plan created
  • John - Hackathon in London proposed by Ian Skerret

April 16, 2014 - Dani, Alex

  • no topics today

April 9, 2014 - Dani, Martin, Alex

  • Dani - Kepler SR2 and Java 8
    • Planning Council: Can build and host the patches, but messaging must be clear as "SR2 with the patches applied". Still polishing words of the download pages.
    • Not added to aggregate repo ... one-time package without any updates
    • Feature patch available on Marketplace (for manual update) - for those starting from scratch they can now get "Kepler + Patch"
    • Not convinced that the extra downloads were necessary (early adopters already had the patch, new adopters can also get Luna) ... but current approach won't hurt.
  • John - Hard to review all incoming Platform/UI Contributions
    • Dani tried to jump in on some issues like Icons
    • Doubt that some of the work will really help bringing committers on board (such as the for loop conversion)
    • Some of the initial contributors of very simple things have now grown into contributing real interesting things
    • Getting more people involved in initial reviews (currently some 10 active committers, 4-5 fullday ones) - but mainly Eric and Paul review patches

April 2, 2014 - Dani, Alex, John, Martin

  • Dani - new GTK3+ issues
    • crash/hang when SWT AWT bridge is used, also affects JavaFX (bug 431330)
    • problems with main menu (bug 419830)
  • Dani - Submitting the IP Log for the Java 8 Work
    • Currently not qualified as a "release", only submitting the IP log.
  • Dani - need to approve API changes for Java 8 in M7
    • No API changes, only additions
    • Used / tested by JDT Core / JDT UI
    • ObjectTeams (Stephan Herrmann) was involved
    • There were no objections i.e. changes were approved
  • John - SWT over JavaFX
    • EclipseCon: Steve Northover thought it was possible, just a lot of work
    • Decide after Luna whether hosting in SWT or doing as a separate project
    • Relationship to Tom Schindl's e(fx)clipse project ?
      • e(fx)clipse is more about tooling, not so much about rendering ...
      • Tom seems to have an alpha version, but not actively working on it
      • Seem to need some additional API in SWT - patch sits in Gerrit with nobody putting any attention at the moment. Details in bug 426243
      • Having this API in place would make the JavaFX port simpler
        • It look good but Alex has no idea whether it's the best idea and how acceptable on all platforms
        • John: May make sense in the next release, API can't be a near-term thing ... needs some backers who can invest significant time in it
      • Doug Schaefer is also pushing for JavaFX


March 26, 2014 - John, Dani, Martin, Alex

  • John - EclipseCon Update
    • Slightly smaller than in the past, but VERY of positive attitude, LOT of excitement around Java 8 ... Oracle turned on the servers during one of the morning sessions
    • IoT / M2M - lots of demos on Raspberry Pi, many new projects
    • Very good content around Orion and Javascript, but a small crowd
    • Great opening keynote from Mike Milinkovich on the history and future of Eclipse - mentioned Flux
    • See also Blog Posts from Doug Schaefer and Ian Bull as well as top 5 from Ian
  • John - ARM port of GTK - any tracking items ?
    • Bug exists for Launchers on ARM64 ; several other items too
    • IBM PPC Little Endian port of SWT
    • Test on less used architectures like Solaris? - similar to the Windows 8 case...
    • Donating RHEL subscriptions to the Foundation was not accepted - John: Bug is open for having Hudson slaves run on other architectures
      • Example: bug 430698, bug 429237, bug 415757; bug 419855 talks about running virtualbox images on a vserver
      • Denis is investigating some way running Hudson / HIPP instances on other hardware ... GTK3, Windows etc tests need other hardware
      • Check for cost of hardware, companies to donate it, and people to maintain it (Security patches!)
        • Alex could imagine RH signing up for some maintenance ... test machines could be entirely outside Eclipse.org infrastructure, isolated as their own sandbox
        • Hudson needs access though, thus need to be careful about security
  • Alex - Java 8 vs Java 7 currently can't build an Eclipse SDK when the build machine has only one of the JDK's
    • In the past, it was possible to build with only Java 7 ... now, if I have Java 8 I cannot build (need Java 7 too)
    • ==> Update on March 27 by Dani: this is bug 390889 and we'll try to fix it for M7.

March 19, 2014 - Dani, Alex, Martin, McQ

  • McQ - Congrats on Java 8 Release to coincide with the Oracle release
  • Dani - Windows 8 Support - any answer to John's E-Mail ?
    • McQ struggles with calling it a supported platform when nobody tests it; all we need to make sure is that somebody uses it
    • Send note to Wayne, the epp-dev list and cross-project
    • Make it clear that running on Win8 is a useful contribution ... and we WON't put Win8 on supported platforms list if we don't get that confirmation

March 12, 2014 - Alex, Martin, McQ, John

  • GTK - SWT team discussions
  • John - preparing for Java 8 release

March 5, 2014 - John, Dani, Martin, Alex

  • Dani: How to Avoid Spam in Gerrit - Bug in Bugzilla PMC bucket - consider offline
  • Dani: Windows 8 Support
    • Not listed in official plan
    • No technical problem, but lack of resources - only 1 machine on the IBM team and that's a VM
    • Add as supported Platform for Luna, or wait another year ?
    • Most active development is on Linux and Windows 7 these days... agree with Dani that only active developer use helps finding real issues
    • AI John: Send a note to eclipse-dev
      • Reaching out to Community to find an active user would be sufficient ... WPF or Win32 ? WPF is only a runtime target environment as of today.
  • Dani: State of GTK 3+
    • Not yet fixed on Eclipse side, but GTK found a bug on their side that is going to be fixed; not yet sure though if that will fix everything
    • Launcher now has a fallback to GTK2 if it detects the partially supported GTK3 version
    • Good collaboration after an initial warm-up phase ... Eclipse SWT considered an important-enough client to make fixes for
    • Alex: Concerned about users with a GTK 3.8 distro that update to GTK 3.10 and get the fallback to GTK 2 activated which has crashes with autocomplete in the browser
    • On GTK 3.9 or newer, Launcher falls back to GTK 2 but that port is pretty much unmaintained, several other problems in there ... but not falling back is even worse
    • Should be fine once distros start picking up paint / clipping issue fix (the not-drawing fix is still pending on SWT side)
  • Alex: GTK 3 in Mars
    • Bump minimum required version to only use cairo and get rid of older calls - this causes confusion with GTK folk
    • RHEL 5 would no longer work
    • Thanks to SWT now requiring Java 1.5, can simplify the code wrt JNI

February 26, 2014 - Alex, John, Martin, McQ

  • John: Orion Release this week
  • Alex: Eclipse on ARM64
    • Launcher and swt at first
    • Had ports for other architectures in source form in the past, risk to get stale but helps getting the ball rolling
    • John: Quite a lot steps to make a new Platform real - constants in OSGi, ... - but can happen piecemeal eg only do SWT first
      • Martin: Would make sense to document the required steps for adding a new Platform while doing the job
      • At least, write up the TODO list - in order to make it easier the next time
    • Should ask Tom Watson about OSGi constants
  • Dani: Update on GTK 3+ issue - bug filed against GTK, working on a workaround for fallback but not yet finished
    • Alex: Fix in GTK3 alone wouldn't work because SWT overrides GTK in that part
    • McQ: If SWT API can't be implemented on top of new GTK API any more, discussion needs to happen
      • If SWT does something wrong, would need pointers to what they should be doing instead...
      • Maybe a couple phone calls to talk through the technical details
      • Don't fight over things ... figure out what's the right thing to do, and just do it


February 19, 2014 - Dani, Alex, Martin, John

  • Dani: Silenio to work on GTK issue?
  • John: GTK testing at the Eclipse Foundation
  • John: e4 ML discussion about graduating some tools
    • Model Editor, CSS Editor, CSS Spy, ...
    • Fairly late, but risk is rather low -- suggest putting into PDE
    • Dani concerns: No PDE committers available for handholding - and stuff is not polished; even Lars sees it in Luna+1
    • John: These tools would only be used by people building RCP apps
    • Martin: What is the goal of trying to graduate?
      • If it's just about getting more exposure, perhaps keep in incubation and add to the RCP EPP Package ?
    • Alex would like adding new people / interested contributors to PDE

February 5, 2014 - McQ, Dani, Martin, Alex

  • Dani: Confcall Numbers: Skype into the US tollfree; Alex use SIP
  • Martin: Eclipse 4 vs Eclipse 3.x - will file defects
  • Alex: Testing on modern Linux

January 22, 2014 - John, Dani, Alex, Martin

  • John, Alex: New GTK 3.10 breaking Eclipse on latest Fedora
    • Alex been looking at Browser
    • Some Views not showing up - Silenio just back yesterday
    • Dani: For 4.4m5 and 4.3.2, will document issues in the README
      • Considered a fallback to "gtk2" support in the Launcher, but that was considered too risky
      • Silenio might have a workaround ... OK if the new code can be added conditionally for GTK 3.10 only
  • Dani: M5 Status
    • Still many open bugs not triaged - component leads should triage earlier

January 15, 2014 - McQ, Andrew, Dani, Martin

  • Dani: Lakshmi (SWT Team) going on maternity leave - SWT still a decent team of 4
  • Andrew: PMC Participation - Suggestion

January 8, 2014 - Dani, Martin, Andrew, John, McQ

  • Dani: API Freeze with M6 on March 7, but JDT cannot put Java 8 stuff in before (March 18) thus will have to ask for an exception

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