Revision as of 10:38, 19 March 2014

Documents

Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:

• E4/Graduation_4.0
• Eclipse/PMC/Unix Groups

Meeting Schedule

The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every wednesday at 10.30am EST.

Meeting Minutes

March 19, 2014 - Dani, Alex, Martin, McQ

• McQ - Congrats on Java 8 Release to coincide with the Oracle release
• Dani - Windows 8 Support - any answer to John's E-Mail ?
  • McQ struggles with calling it a supported platform when nobody tests it; all we need to make sure is that somebody uses it
  • Send note to Wayne, the epp-dev list and cross-project
  • Make it clear that running on Win8 is a useful contribution ... and we WON't put Win8 on supported platforms list if we don't get that confirmation

March 12, 2014 - Alex, Martin, McQ, John

• GTK - SWT team discussions
• John - preparing for Java 8 release

March 5, 2014 - John, Dani, Martin, Alex

• Dani: How to Avoid Spam in Gerrit - Bug in Bugzilla PMC bucket - consider offline
• Dani: Windows 8 Support
  • Not listed in official plan
  • No technical problem, but lack of resources - only 1 machine on the IBM team and that's a VM
  • Add as supported Platform for Luna, or wait another year ?
  • Most active development is on Linux and Windows 7 these days... agree with Dani that only active developer use helps finding real issues
  • AI John: Send a note to eclipse-dev
    • Reaching out to Community to find an active user would be sufficient ... WPF or Win32 ? WPF is only a runtime target environment as of today.
• Dani: State of GTK 3+
  • Not yet fixed on Eclipse side, but GTK found a bug on their side that is going to be fixed; not yet sure though if that will fix everything
  • Launcher now has a fallback to GTK2 if it detects the partially supported GTK3 version
  • Good collaboration after an initial warm-up phase ... Eclipse SWT considered an important-enough client to make fixes for
  • Alex: Concerned about users with a GTK 3.8 distro that update to GTK 3.10 and get the fallback to GTK 2 activated which has crashes with autocomplete in the browser
  • On GTK 3.9 or newer, Launcher falls back to GTK 2 but that port is pretty much unmaintained, several other problems in there ... but not falling back is even worse
  • Should be fine once distros start picking up paint / clipping issue fix (the not-drawing fix is still pending on SWT side)
• Alex: GTK 3 in Mars
  • Bump minimum required version to only use cairo and get rid of older calls - this causes confusion with GTK folk
  • RHEL 5 would no longer work
  • Thanks to SWT now requiring Java 1.5, can simplify the code wrt JNI

February 26, 2014 - Alex, John, Martin, McQ

• John: Orion Release this week

• Alex: Eclipse on ARM64
  • Launcher and swt at first
  • Had ports for other architectures in source form in the past, risk to get stale but helps getting the ball rolling
  • John: Quite a lot steps to make a new Platform real - constants in OSGi, ... - but can happen piecemeal eg only do SWT first
    • Martin: Would make sense to document the required steps for adding a new Platform while doing the job
    • At least, write up the TODO list - in order to make it easier the next time
  • Should ask Tom Watson about OSGi constants

• Dani: Update on GTK 3+ issue - bug filed against GTK, working on a workaround for fallback but not yet finished
  • Alex: Fix in GTK3 alone wouldn't work because SWT overrides GTK in that part
  • McQ: If SWT API can't be implemented on top of new GTK API any more, discussion needs to happen
    • If SWT does something wrong, would need pointers to what they should be doing instead...
    • Maybe a couple phone calls to talk through the technical details
    • Don't fight over things ... figure out what's the right thing to do, and just do it

February 19, 2014 - Dani, Alex, Martin, John

• Dani: Silenio to work on GTK issue?
• John: GTK testing at the Eclipse Foundation
• John: e4 ML discussion about graduating some tools
  • Model Editor, CSS Editor, CSS Spy, ...
  • Fairly late, but risk is rather low -- suggest putting into PDE
  • Dani concerns: No PDE committers available for handholding - and stuff is not polished; even Lars sees it in Luna+1
  • John: These tools would only be used by people building RCP apps
  • Martin: What is the goal of trying to graduate?
    • If it's just about getting more exposure, perhaps keep in incubation and add to the RCP EPP Package ?
  • Alex would like adding new people / interested contributors to PDE

February 5, 2014 - McQ, Dani, Martin, Alex

• Dani: Confcall Numbers: Skype into the US tollfree; Alex use SIP
• Martin: Eclipse 4 vs Eclipse 3.x - will file defects
• Alex: Testing on modern Linux

January 22, 2014 - John, Dani, Alex, Martin

• John, Alex: New GTK 3.10 breaking Eclipse on latest Fedora
  • Alex been looking at Browser
  • Some Views not showing up - Silenio just back yesterday
  • Dani: For 4.4m5 and 4.3.2, will document issues in the README
    • Considered a fallback to "gtk2" support in the Launcher, but that was considered too risky
    • Silenio might have a workaround ... OK if the new code can be added conditionally for GTK 3.10 only
• Dani: M5 Status
  • Still many open bugs not triaged - component leads should triage earlier

January 15, 2014 - McQ, Andrew, Dani, Martin

• Dani: Lakshmi (SWT Team) going on maternity leave - SWT still a decent team of 4
• Andrew: PMC Participation - Suggestion

January 8, 2014 - Dani, Martin, Andrew, John, McQ

• Dani: API Freeze with M6 on March 7, but JDT cannot put Java 8 stuff in before (March 18) thus will have to ask for an exception

Archive

• Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013
• Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012
• Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011
• Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010
• Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009