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− | + | '''March 5, 2014''' - John, Dani, Martin, Alex | |
− | ''' | + | * Dani: '''How to Avoid Spam in Gerrit''' - Bug in Bugzilla PMC bucket - consider offline |
− | * | + | * Dani: '''Windows 8 Support''' |
− | * | + | ** Not listed in official plan |
+ | ** No technical problem, but lack of resources - only 1 machine on the IBM team and that's a VM | ||
+ | ** Add as supported Platform for Luna, or wait another year ? | ||
+ | ** Most active development is on Linux and Windows 7 these days... agree with Dani that only active developer use helps finding real issues | ||
+ | ** AI John: Send a note to eclipse-dev | ||
+ | *** Reaching out to Community to find an active user would be sufficient ... WPF or Win32 ? WPF is only a runtime target environment as of today. | ||
+ | * Dani: '''State of GTK 3+''' | ||
+ | ** Not yet fixed on Eclipse side, but GTK found a bug on their side that is going to be fixed; not yet sure though if that will fix everything | ||
+ | ** Launcher now has a fallback to GTK2 if it detects the partially supported GTK3 version | ||
+ | ** Good collaboration after an initial warm-up phase ... Eclipse SWT considered an important-enough client to make fixes for | ||
+ | ** Alex: Concerned about users with a GTK 3.8 distro that update to GTK 3.10 and get the fallback to GTK 2 activated which has crashes with autocomplete in the browser | ||
+ | ** On GTK 3.9 or newer, Launcher falls back to GTK 2 but that port is pretty much unmaintained, several other problems in there ... but not falling back is even worse | ||
+ | ** Should be fine once distros start picking up paint / clipping issue fix (the not-drawing fix is still pending on SWT side) | ||
+ | * Alex: '''GTK 3 in Mars''' | ||
+ | ** Bump minimum required version to only use cairo and get rid of older calls - this causes confusion with GTK folk | ||
+ | ** RHEL 5 would no longer work | ||
+ | ** Thanks to SWT now requiring Java 1.5, can simplify the code wrt JNI | ||
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− | ''' | + | '''February 26, 2014''' - Alex, John, Martin, McQ |
− | + | * John: '''Orion Release''' this week | |
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− | + | * Alex: '''Eclipse on ARM64''' | |
− | ''' | + | ** Launcher and swt at first |
− | * | + | ** Had ports for other architectures in source form in the past, risk to get stale but helps getting the ball rolling |
− | * | + | ** John: Quite a lot steps to make a new Platform real - constants in OSGi, ... - but can happen piecemeal eg only do SWT first |
− | * | + | *** Martin: Would make sense to document the required steps for adding a new Platform while doing the job |
+ | *** At least, write up the TODO list - in order to make it easier the next time | ||
+ | ** Should ask Tom Watson about OSGi constants | ||
− | + | * Dani: Update on '''GTK 3+ issue''' - bug filed against GTK, working on a workaround for fallback but not yet finished | |
− | ''' | + | ** Alex: Fix in GTK3 alone wouldn't work because SWT overrides GTK in that part |
− | * | + | ** McQ: If SWT API can't be implemented on top of new GTK API any more, discussion needs to happen |
− | * | + | *** If SWT does something wrong, would need pointers to what they should be doing instead... |
− | * | + | *** Maybe a couple phone calls to talk through the technical details |
− | ** | + | *** Don't fight over things ... figure out what's the right thing to do, and just do it |
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− | ''' | + | '''February 19, 2014''' - Dani, Alex, Martin, John |
− | * | + | * Dani: '''Silenio to work on GTK issue?''' |
− | ** | + | * John: '''GTK testing at the Eclipse Foundation''' |
− | ** | + | * John: '''e4 ML discussion about graduating some tools''' |
− | ** | + | ** Model Editor, CSS Editor, CSS Spy, ... |
− | + | ** Fairly late, but risk is rather low -- suggest putting into PDE | |
− | ** John: | + | ** Dani concerns: No PDE committers available for handholding - and stuff is not polished; even Lars sees it in Luna+1 |
− | ** | + | ** John: These tools would only be used by people building RCP apps |
− | * | + | ** Martin: What is the goal of trying to graduate? |
− | ** | + | *** If it's just about getting more exposure, perhaps keep in incubation and add to the RCP EPP Package ? |
− | + | ** Alex would like adding new people / interested contributors to PDE | |
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− | ''' | + | '''February 5, 2014''' - McQ, Dani, Martin, Alex |
− | * | + | * Dani: '''Confcall Numbers:''' Skype into the US tollfree; Alex use SIP |
− | + | * Martin: Eclipse 4 vs Eclipse 3.x - will file defects | |
− | * | + | * Alex: Testing on modern Linux |
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− | '''January | + | '''January 22, 2014''' - John, Dani, Alex, Martin |
− | * | + | * John, Alex: '''New GTK 3.10 breaking Eclipse on latest Fedora''' |
− | ** | + | ** Alex been looking at Browser |
− | ** | + | ** Some Views not showing up - Silenio just back yesterday |
− | ** | + | ** Dani: For 4.4m5 and 4.3.2, will document issues in the README |
− | * | + | *** Considered a fallback to "gtk2" support in the Launcher, but that was considered too risky |
+ | *** Silenio might have a workaround ... OK if the new code can be added conditionally for GTK 3.10 only | ||
+ | * Dani: '''M5 Status''' | ||
+ | ** Still many open bugs not triaged - component leads should triage earlier | ||
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− | '''January | + | '''January 15, 2014''' - McQ, Andrew, Dani, Martin |
− | * Andrew | + | * Dani: Lakshmi (SWT Team) going on maternity leave - SWT still a decent team of 4 |
+ | * Andrew: PMC Participation - Suggestion | ||
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+ | '''January 8, 2014''' - Dani, Martin, Andrew, John, McQ | ||
+ | * Dani: '''API Freeze''' with M6 on March 7, but JDT cannot put Java 8 stuff in before (March 18) thus will have to ask for an exception | ||
= Archive = | = Archive = | ||
+ | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2013 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2013]] | ||
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]] | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2012 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2012]] | ||
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]] | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2011 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2011]] | ||
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]] | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2010 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2010]] | ||
* [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]] | * [[Eclipse/PMC/Minutes 2009 | Archive of Meeting Minutes from 2009]] |
Revision as of 12:17, 5 March 2014
Documents
Some documents written and/or used by the PMC:
Meeting Schedule
The Eclipse Project PMC has a weekly phone meeting every wednesday at 10.30am EST.
Meeting Minutes
March 5, 2014 - John, Dani, Martin, Alex
- Dani: How to Avoid Spam in Gerrit - Bug in Bugzilla PMC bucket - consider offline
- Dani: Windows 8 Support
- Not listed in official plan
- No technical problem, but lack of resources - only 1 machine on the IBM team and that's a VM
- Add as supported Platform for Luna, or wait another year ?
- Most active development is on Linux and Windows 7 these days... agree with Dani that only active developer use helps finding real issues
- AI John: Send a note to eclipse-dev
- Reaching out to Community to find an active user would be sufficient ... WPF or Win32 ? WPF is only a runtime target environment as of today.
- Dani: State of GTK 3+
- Not yet fixed on Eclipse side, but GTK found a bug on their side that is going to be fixed; not yet sure though if that will fix everything
- Launcher now has a fallback to GTK2 if it detects the partially supported GTK3 version
- Good collaboration after an initial warm-up phase ... Eclipse SWT considered an important-enough client to make fixes for
- Alex: Concerned about users with a GTK 3.8 distro that update to GTK 3.10 and get the fallback to GTK 2 activated which has crashes with autocomplete in the browser
- On GTK 3.9 or newer, Launcher falls back to GTK 2 but that port is pretty much unmaintained, several other problems in there ... but not falling back is even worse
- Should be fine once distros start picking up paint / clipping issue fix (the not-drawing fix is still pending on SWT side)
- Alex: GTK 3 in Mars
- Bump minimum required version to only use cairo and get rid of older calls - this causes confusion with GTK folk
- RHEL 5 would no longer work
- Thanks to SWT now requiring Java 1.5, can simplify the code wrt JNI
February 26, 2014 - Alex, John, Martin, McQ
- John: Orion Release this week
- Alex: Eclipse on ARM64
- Launcher and swt at first
- Had ports for other architectures in source form in the past, risk to get stale but helps getting the ball rolling
- John: Quite a lot steps to make a new Platform real - constants in OSGi, ... - but can happen piecemeal eg only do SWT first
- Martin: Would make sense to document the required steps for adding a new Platform while doing the job
- At least, write up the TODO list - in order to make it easier the next time
- Should ask Tom Watson about OSGi constants
- Dani: Update on GTK 3+ issue - bug filed against GTK, working on a workaround for fallback but not yet finished
- Alex: Fix in GTK3 alone wouldn't work because SWT overrides GTK in that part
- McQ: If SWT API can't be implemented on top of new GTK API any more, discussion needs to happen
- If SWT does something wrong, would need pointers to what they should be doing instead...
- Maybe a couple phone calls to talk through the technical details
- Don't fight over things ... figure out what's the right thing to do, and just do it
February 19, 2014 - Dani, Alex, Martin, John
- Dani: Silenio to work on GTK issue?
- John: GTK testing at the Eclipse Foundation
- John: e4 ML discussion about graduating some tools
- Model Editor, CSS Editor, CSS Spy, ...
- Fairly late, but risk is rather low -- suggest putting into PDE
- Dani concerns: No PDE committers available for handholding - and stuff is not polished; even Lars sees it in Luna+1
- John: These tools would only be used by people building RCP apps
- Martin: What is the goal of trying to graduate?
- If it's just about getting more exposure, perhaps keep in incubation and add to the RCP EPP Package ?
- Alex would like adding new people / interested contributors to PDE
February 5, 2014 - McQ, Dani, Martin, Alex
- Dani: Confcall Numbers: Skype into the US tollfree; Alex use SIP
- Martin: Eclipse 4 vs Eclipse 3.x - will file defects
- Alex: Testing on modern Linux
January 22, 2014 - John, Dani, Alex, Martin
- John, Alex: New GTK 3.10 breaking Eclipse on latest Fedora
- Alex been looking at Browser
- Some Views not showing up - Silenio just back yesterday
- Dani: For 4.4m5 and 4.3.2, will document issues in the README
- Considered a fallback to "gtk2" support in the Launcher, but that was considered too risky
- Silenio might have a workaround ... OK if the new code can be added conditionally for GTK 3.10 only
- Dani: M5 Status
- Still many open bugs not triaged - component leads should triage earlier
January 15, 2014 - McQ, Andrew, Dani, Martin
- Dani: Lakshmi (SWT Team) going on maternity leave - SWT still a decent team of 4
- Andrew: PMC Participation - Suggestion
January 8, 2014 - Dani, Martin, Andrew, John, McQ
- Dani: API Freeze with M6 on March 7, but JDT cannot put Java 8 stuff in before (March 18) thus will have to ask for an exception