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== Invited Attendees ==
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== Attendees ==
 
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This meeting is free for everyone to attend. It's a service of the TM developers and committers to community, fostering exchange of upcoming news, status and asking questions. We specially encourage those people to attend who are actively working on, or have shown interest in TM before:
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* Committers:
 
* Committers:
** IBM - Xuan Chen, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Dave McKnight
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** IBM - Xuan Chen, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal
** Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Michael Scharf, Uwe Stieber, Eugene Tarassov, Felix Burton
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** Wind River - Martin Oberhuber
** Private - Javier Montalvo Orus
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** ProSyst - Radoslav Gerganov
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** MontaVista - Anna Dushistova  
 
** MontaVista - Anna Dushistova  
  
* Others:
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* Regrets: DaveM (vacation), Rado (vacation)
** LANL / PTP Project - Greg Watson
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** ARM - Anthony Berent
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** TI - Dobrin Alexey
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** Motorola - Maureen Brenner, Fabio Fantato, Daniel Franco, Christian Kurzke, Ruth Soliani
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** Accelerated Technology - Aaron Spear, Mark Bozeman
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** Freescale - Kirk Beitz
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== Actual Attendees ==
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== Notes ==
 
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== Agenda ==
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=== Last Meetings ===
 
=== Last Meetings ===
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* Last [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 16-Jul-2008]]
 
* Last [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 16-Jul-2008]]
  
=== Update on RSE Status ===
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=== TM 3.1 Project Plan ===
* TM 3.0 Release: [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/development/relnotes/3.0/tm-news-3.0.html New&Noteworthy], [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/development/relnotes/3.0/readme_tm_3.0.html Release Notes], Build Process, Bugzilla
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* TM Plan rendered [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=dsdp.tm here]
** Is the information that we give enough? (New&Noteworthy); build notes accurate until M6 only, some API changes + feature additions likely missing. Also, the concept of referencing build notes from download.eclipse.org is problematic since milestones are moved to archive.eclipse.org and even deleted eventually --> need a "summary of build notes" on a more persistent place
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* Using target milestones for "committed" (actual milestone), "proposed" (3.1 or ---) and "deferred" (Future)
** Ganymede TM Video: features to show beyond what we have in our N&N?
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* Using Summary tags in square brackets for Themes
** {{Bug|238574}} Website Revamp? We have a bugzilla "Website" component now
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* '''EFS''' -- potentially lots of effort getting it right, unclear staffing and benefit. '''AI DaveM''' comment on IBM plans regarding EFS when back from vacation
** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&cmdtype=doit Severity Major] open bugs, [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&field0-0-0=priority&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=P%5B12%5D&field0-0-1=bug_severity&type0-0-1=regexp&value0-0-1=blocker%7Ccritical%7Cmajor High Priority] open bugs, [[DSDP/TM/3.0 Known Issues and Workarounds]]
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* Componentization -- unclear staffing, except for critical bugs related. Not going to buy IBM anything. Will look at it again when bugzilla queries are rendered properly.
** EFS deadlock problems during early startup currently being discussed, {{Bug|239230}}
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* Xuan: Reference Platforms - Linux PPC for dstore agent, Linux x86_64 for Client ? - Can add Reference Platforms when sombody is there to actually staff some testing.
* '''TM 3.0.1 Build Schedule'''
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** Focus on keeping and improving reliability since WR and IBM will pick up 3.0.1 into commercial products
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** Continue working in HEAD with care; will likely fork off a maintenance-only branch in August
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** {{Bug|172483}} Secondary Terminals for TM 3.0.1 ? - No objections against 3.0.1
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** {{Bug|238773}} WinCE RAPI enhancement for calling remote methods for 3.0.1 ? - Will continue in HEAD but not release into the Mapfiles
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** {{Bug|196176}} - Deferred drag&drop from RSE to Windows Explorer is possible but it needs more work and collaboration with the SWT team. We need to find out how to report progress for the background file transfer.
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*** Can patch SWT + RSE to try it out (win32 only): when patching SWT, may have issues with other drag&drop operations. Currently all D&D is async, would need API flag whether async is wanted or not
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*** Proof of concept for now, need feedback / opinions about this approach
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* '''Bugzilla Target Milestone''': use the "3.0.1" milestone for what "will be fixed" or what "can be fixed" in 3.0.1 ?
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** Will do same as last year: use "3.0.1" for "can be fixed" even if we cannot handle all
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** Committers please update target milestone of your [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_id=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bugidtype=include&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&classification=DSDP&email1=&email2=&emailtype1=substring&emailtype2=substring&field-1-0-0=classification&field-1-1-0=product&field-1-2-0=target_milestone&field-1-3-0=bug_status&field0-0-0=noop&keywords=&keywords_type=allwords&long_desc=&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&product=Target%20Management&query_format=advanced&remaction=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&target_milestone=3.0&target_milestone=3.0%20M3&target_milestone=3.0%20M4&target_milestone=3.0%20M5&target_milestone=3.0%20M6&target_milestone=3.0%20M7&target_milestone=3.0%20RC1&target_milestone=3.0%20RC2&target_milestone=3.0%20RC3&target_milestone=3.0%20RC4&target_milestone=3.0%20RC5&type-1-0-0=anyexact&type-1-1-0=anyexact&type-1-2-0=anyexact&type-1-3-0=anyexact&type0-0-0=noop&value-1-0-0=DSDP&value-1-1-0=Target%20Management&value-1-2-0=3.0%2C3.0%20M3%2C3.0%20M4%2C3.0%20M5%2C3.0%20M6%2C3.0%20M7%2C3.0%20RC1%2C3.0%20RC2%2C3.0%20RC3%2C3.0%20RC4%2C3.0%20RC5&value-1-3-0=UNCONFIRMED%2CNEW%2CASSIGNED%2CREOPENED&value0-0-0=&votes=&order=map_assigned_to.login_name%2Cbugs.priority%2Cbugs.priority%2Cbugs.bug_severity%2Cmap_assigned_to.login_name%2Cbugs.bug_status%2Cbugs.priority%2Cbugs.bug_id&query_based_on= 3.0 assigned bugs] (currently 98)
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** Use "Edit Query" to show only yours, then query, then "Change Several Bugs at Once"
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=== TCF and other initiatives Status ===
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* '''Target Communication Framework''' - [[DSDP/TM/TCF FAQ]] available and approved by EMO. Now working on SVN Repository at Eclipse.org. EclipseCon Tutorial and Short Talk available from [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm TM Homepage]
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* EPL / EDL dual licensing approved by Eclipse Board for the TCF Agent. Creating new CQ and changing the Copyright / about files now.
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* Picked up TM 3.0 and DD-DSF 1.0 so it's compatible with Ganymede now
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* {{Bug|238564}} has some very good notes about migrating from TM 2.0 to TM 3.0
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* Working towards scheduled builds and downloadable artifacts.
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=== Operations ===
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* Anna introduction - working for MV in Moscow, Russia
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* Newsgroup Duty
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* The new iplog+ flag: [[Development Resources/Automatic IP Log]], {{Bug|233291}}, {{Bug|220977}}
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** [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=dsdp.tm Automatic IP Log for TM] doesn't work yet due to a bug in the generator (won't accept space char in bugzilla project name)
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** But we should be prepared to do automatic log, so we should fully comply
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** '''Mark any Patch or other Attachment''' that's contributed with '''iplog+''' when it is committed into CVS
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** '''Mark the Bug''' with iplog+ if a contribution comes in as bugzilla comment
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** In addition to that, for now, please also mark the bug with the "contributed" keyword (that's the legacy way of doing things) and edit the manual tm-log.csv. I know it's painful but I'd like to continue doing so until the automated log works for us.
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=== TM 3.1 / Future Planning ===
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* '''Project Plan Status''' - New XML project plan format available, incubation of plan on the [[TM Future Planning]] Wiki
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** Bugzilla plan items as well as an "official" project plan will be done
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** Wind River: Focus on TCF; RSE bug-fixes and quality; Multi-System/Connection Grouping
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** IBM: RSE bug-fixes and quality; EFS; Import/Export of Profiles
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** Prosyst: WinCE (but not going to adopt RSE for now)
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** Rado private: SWT deferred drag&drop;
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** Anna/MV: RSE Terminals; have Shell Processes work with Terminal only (would like in 3.0.1); more integration of RSE with CDT and DD
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** ?? UI/Non-UI splitting;
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=== Community Feedback and Status ===
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=== TM 3.0.1 Planning ===
* Community contributions
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* Branching on Aug 20th might be too early to get critical fixes in. '''AI DaveM, DaveD''' decide until Tues Aug 12 COB whether we need to move the branching date from Aug 20th to Aug 27th or not -- Martin needs to know in order to schedule WR testing.
** Patrick Juhl - SSH Tunnel - no news
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* Kevin: {{Bug|187739}} collapse child tree when parents are refreshed -- Martin won't have time for 3.0.1, reassign to DaveM, he might have code to fix this already.
  
=== Technology sub-groups ===
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=== Other Stuff ===
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* DSDP PMC Board Presentation Review by IBM -- Martin to bring up at PMC meeting tomorrow, but cannot guarantee end of August deadline for making it public.
  
 
== Vacations, Next Meetings ==
 
== Vacations, Next Meetings ==
* Call quality fine even though Rado using Skype (but dropped off once)
 
* Meeting schedule fine for everybody:
 
** Monthly meeting every 1st wed of the month at 9am PST
 
** Committer meeting every 3rd wed of the month at 8am PST
 
  
 
* Vacations, away times
 
* Vacations, away times
** Anna: 10 days end July
 
** DaveD: 2 weeks end July / beg August
 
 
** DaveM: 1st week of August
 
** DaveM: 1st week of August
 
** Rado: 1st 2 weeks of August
 
** Rado: 1st 2 weeks of August
* Questions
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** Xuan: Aug 18-26
  
 
=== Action Items to Review ===
 
=== Action Items to Review ===
 
* Last meeting: [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 2-Jul-2008]]
 
* Last meeting: [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 2-Jul-2008]]
 
* Last [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 16-Jul-2008]]
 
* Last [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 16-Jul-2008]]
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** '''Martin''' review Rado's deferred D&D
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** All committers fix target milestone of bugs assigned to 3.0
  
 
=== New Action Items ===
 
=== New Action Items ===
* All committers fix target milestone of bugs assigned to 3.0
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* '''DaveD, DaveM''' - decide on Aug 20 branching date
* '''Martin''' review Rado's deferred D&D
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* '''Everyone''' - discuss project plan with Project Teams, consider staffing or removing themes
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* '''DaveM''' - comment on EFS
  
 
=== Next Meeting ===
 
=== Next Meeting ===
 
* Next [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 20-Aug-2008]] (2 weeks after)
 
* Next [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 20-Aug-2008]] (2 weeks after)
 
* Next [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 3-Sep-2008]] (4 weeks after)
 
* Next [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 3-Sep-2008]] (4 weeks after)

Revision as of 14:37, 6 August 2008

Meeting Title: Conference Call on Target Management
Date & Time: Wednesday Aug 6, 2008 at 1600 UTC / 9am PST
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Attendees

  • Committers:
    • IBM - Xuan Chen, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal
    • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber
    • MontaVista - Anna Dushistova
  • Regrets: DaveM (vacation), Rado (vacation)

Notes

Last Meetings

TM 3.1 Project Plan

  • TM Plan rendered here
  • Using target milestones for "committed" (actual milestone), "proposed" (3.1 or ---) and "deferred" (Future)
  • Using Summary tags in square brackets for Themes
  • EFS -- potentially lots of effort getting it right, unclear staffing and benefit. AI DaveM comment on IBM plans regarding EFS when back from vacation
  • Componentization -- unclear staffing, except for critical bugs related. Not going to buy IBM anything. Will look at it again when bugzilla queries are rendered properly.
  • Xuan: Reference Platforms - Linux PPC for dstore agent, Linux x86_64 for Client ? - Can add Reference Platforms when sombody is there to actually staff some testing.

TM 3.0.1 Planning

  • Branching on Aug 20th might be too early to get critical fixes in. AI DaveM, DaveD decide until Tues Aug 12 COB whether we need to move the branching date from Aug 20th to Aug 27th or not -- Martin needs to know in order to schedule WR testing.
  • Kevin: bug 187739 collapse child tree when parents are refreshed -- Martin won't have time for 3.0.1, reassign to DaveM, he might have code to fix this already.

Other Stuff

  • DSDP PMC Board Presentation Review by IBM -- Martin to bring up at PMC meeting tomorrow, but cannot guarantee end of August deadline for making it public.

Vacations, Next Meetings

  • Vacations, away times
    • DaveM: 1st week of August
    • Rado: 1st 2 weeks of August
    • Xuan: Aug 18-26

Action Items to Review

New Action Items

  • DaveD, DaveM - decide on Aug 20 branching date
  • Everyone - discuss project plan with Project Teams, consider staffing or removing themes
  • DaveM - comment on EFS

Next Meeting