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== Attendees == | == Attendees == | ||
* Martin Oberhuber - Wind River | * Martin Oberhuber - Wind River | ||
| − | * David Dykstal, Kushal Munir, Dave McKnight | + | * David Dykstal, Kushal Munir, Dave McKnight - IBM |
| + | * Ewa Matejska, Palm Source | ||
| + | * Javier Montalvo and Neil Taylor, Symbian | ||
| + | * NNN - Montavista | ||
* Doug Schaefer - QNX | * Doug Schaefer - QNX | ||
* Aaron Spear, Mentor Graphics | * Aaron Spear, Mentor Graphics | ||
| − | * | + | * Mark Bozeman, |
* Peter Lachner, Intel | * Peter Lachner, Intel | ||
| − | * | + | * Kirk Beitz, Freescale |
| − | + | * Greg Watson, LANL (PTP lead) | |
| − | * | + | |
* Tianchao Li - Technische Universitaet Muenchen (work with LANL on PTP) | * Tianchao Li - Technische Universitaet Muenchen (work with LANL on PTP) | ||
The call is open for everyone else to attend. | The call is open for everyone else to attend. | ||
| − | == | + | == Meeting Notes == |
| − | + | === Update on RSE Status (Dave D) === | |
| − | ** Next steps on RSE | + | ** M1 delivered 18-Apr-2006. Tested and reasonably stable, but some features had to be dropped (see the [http://download.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/downloads/drops/S-1.0M1-200604270100/releaseNotes.php release notes]). |
| − | ** | + | ** Will need some replanning for M2 and beyond |
| − | ** | + | *** M2 to include planned M1 features plus probably a few more |
| − | *** | + | *** user actions and import/export to be delayed to M3, community is OK with that. |
| − | ** | + | *** Might need another milestone before achieving release status |
| − | * | + | * Next steps on RSE: Most wanted by the community |
| − | ** | + | ** DaveD: do a '''daily driver''' schedule, i.e. 2-3 automated builds each week |
| − | * | + | ** Ewa: need '''ssh service''' integrated to CVS |
| − | * | + | *** MartinO: have an updated ssh service including file transfer via sftp, expect on bugzilla the next days |
| + | ** Greg: Need client on '''MacOS''' and probably Power Linux. Probably make MacOS a reference platform? Could contribute resources for build and testing. | ||
| + | *** DaveD to send instructions for automated builds on the mailing list. | ||
| + | ** Ewa: Workflow for '''adding a Service to be made simpler'''. | ||
| + | *** Good ISV docs are available but outdated, DaveD wants to add them to M3 | ||
| + | *** Add Daytime and SSH examples, Dave McKnight to review if they can be made simpler (does the API really require a ConnectorServiceManager? Which classes are the absolute minimum for a Service?) | ||
| + | ** Put '''contributions from Bugzilla into CVS''' soon (ssh, daytime, cdtremote), in order to make sure they take part in refactorings | ||
| + | *** Provide CVS Project Set files (*.psf) to make it easier for developers to pick up newly added projects | ||
| + | ** Update site is not an immediate issue, this is more for users but currently it's more developers working on RSE. Want to do an update site but probably after M2. | ||
| + | ** '''Lower the bar''': overview and getting-started on website (MartinO) | ||
| − | + | === How to communicate (MartinO) === | |
| + | * Do more in Bugzilla! | ||
| + | ** RSE bugreports and enhancement requests | ||
| + | ** '''API Review''' is an important task for M2 and beyond. File Bugzilla entries for discussions on APIs | ||
| + | ** Technology sub-groups to track their discussions in Bugzilla instead of the mailing list | ||
| + | *** Easier to find, associate and get started for newcomers | ||
| + | *** Wiki pages for technology sub-groups will hold links to Bugzilla discussions | ||
| + | *** Send an E-Mail to dsdp-tm-dev when a new Bugzilla Entry is created for a discussion. MartinO, or other committers, to update the Wiki with links to Bugzilla entries. | ||
| + | *** MartinO to find out if Wiki notifications can be configured to go to the tm-dev list | ||
| − | === Action Items still open from last meetings | + | === Eclipse Release Review Requirements (MartinO) === |
| + | * We're currently in Incubation phase. In order to be able to make a 1.0 release, we'll have to go through a [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/release-review.php release review]. Before we pass the release review, we can only do 0.x releases. | ||
| + | * Release Reviews are not an easy thing, Eclipse Foundation puts the bar pretty high | ||
| + | * The actual Review typically takes place around the time a first release candidate is built | ||
| + | * Start addressing issues required by Release Review early, in order to avoid a big bang late in the game: | ||
| + | ** Work on [http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/eclipse-quality.php Eclipse Quality] APIs | ||
| + | *** Tool '''and''' API usability (for users '''and''' for programmers) | ||
| + | *** Non-code aspects e.g. documentation | ||
| + | *** IP Logs | ||
| + | ** Grow the community | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Update on Autodetect (Javier) === | ||
| + | * looked at Zeroconf (used by Apple for Plug&Play) | ||
| + | ** plugins for discovery through Zeroconf in ECF | ||
| + | ** Community seems to accept that Zeroconf is the right thing - also implemented in very small devices | ||
| + | * Javier to capture mailinglist discussions in a Bugzilla entry | ||
| + | * MartinO: Zeroconf is good, but make sure that APIs can also be implemented by an alternative service that does not necessarily use a protocol on the wire (e.g. discover services by looking at JTAG config files, kernel images) | ||
| + | * Aaron: Legacy devices connected via Serial | ||
| + | ** Javier: Proxy server attached to Legacy device | ||
| + | ** Might want to connect to JTAG etc | ||
| + | |||
| + | === PTP Needs / Collaboration (Greg W) === | ||
| + | * Remote Services aspect is very important to PTP | ||
| + | * Remote Launch capabilities | ||
| + | * Remote Build | ||
| + | * Looked into Eclipse Filesystem (EFS) | ||
| + | * Looked at EFS implementation in RSE; looks like RSE is duplicating a lot from the Platform; currently working more towards the platform | ||
| + | * Want to work closely with TM and CDT communities | ||
| + | * Dave McKnight to work with PTP community on EFS | ||
| + | ** Should start discussion on EFS vs. RSE | ||
| + | * PTP monthly telecon next week | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Other Technology Sub-Groups === | ||
| + | * [[DSDP/TM/Flexible Target Connection Adaptors|Connectors]]: Peter L been busy lately, will start on Connectors in 1 week | ||
| + | * [[DSDP/TM/Shared Board Labs|Shared Board Labs]]: Interest by Windriver, Freescale, Mentor; probably no deliverables till M1, but start planning / design in time (we should make plans for next year just before 1.0 is released) | ||
| + | |||
| + | == Action Items still open from last meetings == | ||
* Symbian: | * Symbian: | ||
** Write up interface description for "Service" as understood by Symbian | ** Write up interface description for "Service" as understood by Symbian | ||
| − | |||
| − | |||
* MartinO: | * MartinO: | ||
| − | |||
| − | |||
** Start EMO process for Jakarta Commons | ** Start EMO process for Jakarta Commons | ||
| − | |||
| − | |||
| + | == New Action Items == | ||
| + | * DaveD: | ||
| + | ** Send instructions for automated builds (on MacOS / LinuxPPC) to GregW | ||
| + | * Dave McKnight: | ||
| + | ** Review daytime & ssh code and look for possible simplifications for adding a service | ||
| + | ** Start feature discussion RSE vs. Platform / EFS with PTP people (bugzilla or mailinglist; a feature document should eventually be available from the website) | ||
| + | * MartinO: | ||
| + | ** Update Project Plan, Website | ||
| + | ** Deliver ssh service enhancements | ||
| + | ** Check Wiki notifications | ||
| + | * Javier: | ||
| + | ** Capture autodetect on bugzilla | ||
| + | * Everyone: | ||
| + | ** RSE usage and API reviews --> Bugzilla | ||
| − | + | == Next Meeting == | |
| − | + | * Keep the schedule (1st wednesday of the month) | |
| − | + | ||
* Next [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 7-Jun-2006]] (wednesday, 5 weeks) | * Next [[DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 7-Jun-2006]] (wednesday, 5 weeks) | ||
Revision as of 18:10, 3 May 2006
| Meeting Title: | Conference Call on Target Management |
| Date & Time: | Wednesday May 3, 2006 at 9am PST |
| Primary International Dial-in: | +44 (0)1452 567588 |
| USA Freephone Dial-In: | +1 (866) 6161738 |
| UK National Dial-In: | 08712460713 |
| Passcode: | 0587322148 # |
Contents
Attendees
- Martin Oberhuber - Wind River
- David Dykstal, Kushal Munir, Dave McKnight - IBM
- Ewa Matejska, Palm Source
- Javier Montalvo and Neil Taylor, Symbian
- NNN - Montavista
- Doug Schaefer - QNX
- Aaron Spear, Mentor Graphics
- Mark Bozeman,
- Peter Lachner, Intel
- Kirk Beitz, Freescale
- Greg Watson, LANL (PTP lead)
- Tianchao Li - Technische Universitaet Muenchen (work with LANL on PTP)
The call is open for everyone else to attend.
Meeting Notes
Update on RSE Status (Dave D)
- M1 delivered 18-Apr-2006. Tested and reasonably stable, but some features had to be dropped (see the release notes).
- Will need some replanning for M2 and beyond
- M2 to include planned M1 features plus probably a few more
- user actions and import/export to be delayed to M3, community is OK with that.
- Might need another milestone before achieving release status
- Next steps on RSE: Most wanted by the community
- DaveD: do a daily driver schedule, i.e. 2-3 automated builds each week
- Ewa: need ssh service integrated to CVS
- MartinO: have an updated ssh service including file transfer via sftp, expect on bugzilla the next days
- Greg: Need client on MacOS and probably Power Linux. Probably make MacOS a reference platform? Could contribute resources for build and testing.
- DaveD to send instructions for automated builds on the mailing list.
- Ewa: Workflow for adding a Service to be made simpler.
- Good ISV docs are available but outdated, DaveD wants to add them to M3
- Add Daytime and SSH examples, Dave McKnight to review if they can be made simpler (does the API really require a ConnectorServiceManager? Which classes are the absolute minimum for a Service?)
- Put contributions from Bugzilla into CVS soon (ssh, daytime, cdtremote), in order to make sure they take part in refactorings
- Provide CVS Project Set files (*.psf) to make it easier for developers to pick up newly added projects
- Update site is not an immediate issue, this is more for users but currently it's more developers working on RSE. Want to do an update site but probably after M2.
- Lower the bar: overview and getting-started on website (MartinO)
How to communicate (MartinO)
- Do more in Bugzilla!
- RSE bugreports and enhancement requests
- API Review is an important task for M2 and beyond. File Bugzilla entries for discussions on APIs
- Technology sub-groups to track their discussions in Bugzilla instead of the mailing list
- Easier to find, associate and get started for newcomers
- Wiki pages for technology sub-groups will hold links to Bugzilla discussions
- Send an E-Mail to dsdp-tm-dev when a new Bugzilla Entry is created for a discussion. MartinO, or other committers, to update the Wiki with links to Bugzilla entries.
- MartinO to find out if Wiki notifications can be configured to go to the tm-dev list
Eclipse Release Review Requirements (MartinO)
- We're currently in Incubation phase. In order to be able to make a 1.0 release, we'll have to go through a release review. Before we pass the release review, we can only do 0.x releases.
- Release Reviews are not an easy thing, Eclipse Foundation puts the bar pretty high
- The actual Review typically takes place around the time a first release candidate is built
- Start addressing issues required by Release Review early, in order to avoid a big bang late in the game:
- Work on Eclipse Quality APIs
- Tool and API usability (for users and for programmers)
- Non-code aspects e.g. documentation
- IP Logs
- Grow the community
- Work on Eclipse Quality APIs
Update on Autodetect (Javier)
- looked at Zeroconf (used by Apple for Plug&Play)
- plugins for discovery through Zeroconf in ECF
- Community seems to accept that Zeroconf is the right thing - also implemented in very small devices
- Javier to capture mailinglist discussions in a Bugzilla entry
- MartinO: Zeroconf is good, but make sure that APIs can also be implemented by an alternative service that does not necessarily use a protocol on the wire (e.g. discover services by looking at JTAG config files, kernel images)
- Aaron: Legacy devices connected via Serial
- Javier: Proxy server attached to Legacy device
- Might want to connect to JTAG etc
PTP Needs / Collaboration (Greg W)
- Remote Services aspect is very important to PTP
- Remote Launch capabilities
- Remote Build
- Looked into Eclipse Filesystem (EFS)
- Looked at EFS implementation in RSE; looks like RSE is duplicating a lot from the Platform; currently working more towards the platform
- Want to work closely with TM and CDT communities
- Dave McKnight to work with PTP community on EFS
- Should start discussion on EFS vs. RSE
- PTP monthly telecon next week
Other Technology Sub-Groups
- Connectors: Peter L been busy lately, will start on Connectors in 1 week
- Shared Board Labs: Interest by Windriver, Freescale, Mentor; probably no deliverables till M1, but start planning / design in time (we should make plans for next year just before 1.0 is released)
Action Items still open from last meetings
- Symbian:
- Write up interface description for "Service" as understood by Symbian
- MartinO:
- Start EMO process for Jakarta Commons
New Action Items
- DaveD:
- Send instructions for automated builds (on MacOS / LinuxPPC) to GregW
- Dave McKnight:
- Review daytime & ssh code and look for possible simplifications for adding a service
- Start feature discussion RSE vs. Platform / EFS with PTP people (bugzilla or mailinglist; a feature document should eventually be available from the website)
- MartinO:
- Update Project Plan, Website
- Deliver ssh service enhancements
- Check Wiki notifications
- Javier:
- Capture autodetect on bugzilla
- Everyone:
- RSE usage and API reviews --> Bugzilla
Next Meeting
- Keep the schedule (1st wednesday of the month)
- Next DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 7-Jun-2006 (wednesday, 5 weeks)