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** PII Changes for UI/Non-UI Splitting e.g. {{Bug|190231}} SubSystem, {{Bug|211067}} SystemMessages in Services
 
** PII Changes for UI/Non-UI Splitting e.g. {{Bug|190231}} SubSystem, {{Bug|211067}} SystemMessages in Services
 
** '''[https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&target_milestone=3.0+M5&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit 3.0 M5 assigned open bugs]'''
 
** '''[https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&target_milestone=3.0+M5&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit 3.0 M5 assigned open bugs]'''
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*** SystemMessages UI/Core separation - '''AI DaveM to investigate'''
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**** DaveD prefer to have standard NLS strings only
 
* '''[[TM 2.0 Ramp down Plan for Europa#Ramp_down_for_Europa_SR2_.2829-Feb-2007.29|TM 2.0.3]]''' upcoming Feb.29 --  [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&target_milestone=2.0.3&cmdtype=doit 2.0.3 assigned bugs], any else?
 
* '''[[TM 2.0 Ramp down Plan for Europa#Ramp_down_for_Europa_SR2_.2829-Feb-2007.29|TM 2.0.3]]''' upcoming Feb.29 --  [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&target_milestone=2.0.3&cmdtype=doit 2.0.3 assigned bugs], any else?
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** '''AI All''' file 'backport' bugs for 2.0.3 until end of this week
 
* '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto
 
* '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto
 
** Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not?
 
** Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not?
 
* Eugene new committer
 
* Eugene new committer
* Can we committ to support Java 6 (just runtime)?
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* Can we commit to support Java 6 (just runtime)?
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** YES. Develop against Java 1.4 and test against Java 6. Main topic is incorporation of scripting. Eclipse Debugger supports finding references of objects.
 
* TM Website
 
* TM Website
 
** {{Bug|216197}} Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes
 
** {{Bug|216197}} Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes
** Kevin: Would like to change the TM website to be more like the Mylyn/RAP sites.  Custom Nav bar, front page showing the product instead of a mission statement, etc.  Is it okay to make changes in a new folder tm-new? Then can push it to the main site if everyone likes the changes?
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** Kevin: Discussions fine so far, not touched the code yet?
** Martin: Would like to discuss the intended changes before going ahead. But sure you can create any new pages that are not linked from the main page at any time.
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** Martin: Would like to get more dynamic information onto the homepage in an automated manner e.g. automated release notes with milestones. Avoid merging errors if starting work end this week.
** Martin: Would like to get more dynamic information onto the homepage in an automated manner e.g. automated release notes with milestones
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* Bug Fixing - '''Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan'''
 
* Bug Fixing - '''Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan'''
 
** Since our [[DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007]] it's now 20 weeks / 4 milestones, so each committer is due 40 fixes / 8 unittests
 
** Since our [[DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007]] it's now 20 weeks / 4 milestones, so each committer is due 40 fixes / 8 unittests
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** Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin working on Releng scripts next
 
** Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin working on Releng scripts next
 
* Next [[BugDay/February_2008]] on Feb 29
 
* Next [[BugDay/February_2008]] on Feb 29
* '''Javier''' busy until end of Feb; hoping to get time for hi-pri bugs (but not new features)
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* '''Javier''' busy until end of Feb; no time for Eclipse currently
* '''DaveD's''' bugs are largely interrelated, currently working on {{Bug|197036}} - some impacts on teamview, nopefully get done today or tomorrow
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* '''DaveD's''' lazy init done. {{Bug|217556}} ServiceSubSystem
** RDC people want to import/export connections rather than profiles - want to see filters self-contained in connection. Might want to solve this by treating connection as a profile with a single connection, and merge it into a different profile. Or store the stuff under the connection itself.
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** What if a subsystem does not have a service layer? - Return null for getServiceType()
** This is maybe related to {{Bug|160403}} Filters should be connection-private by default
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** Existing code that checks whether something has a service needs to be changed: '''AI DaveD''' Find references to IServiceSubSystem
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** {{bug|217894}} Subsystem Configuration Families - subsystem category would be orthogonal to subsystem family -- family would be related to connector service -- '''AI All''' comment on the bug
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** Import/export connections rather than profiles - extend the persistence provider for import/export. Use a profile that only contains those things relevant to the exported elements, and merge it on import (or instantiate + copy).
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*** Uwe: Contributors may have their own format for import/export already
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*** This is maybe related to {{Bug|160403}} Filters should be connection-private by default
 
* '''DaveM:''' -  
 
* '''DaveM:''' -  
** {{Bug|209703}} - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page?
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** EFS and encodings - No response from platform or TPF teams
** EFS and encodings - DaveM to put Martin on CC of the bug(s) he filed against Platform
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** (TPF) product teams extended SystemView in the past, no response from them
** (TPF) product teams extended SystemView in the past, which is now internal: provide a public Composite that wraps SystemView and that they can extend? E.g. they provided workspace objects along remote objects. AI file bugzilla items for concrete use cases and discuss them there.
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** {{Bug|207180}} - Remove "Encoding" control from the Property Pages
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** {{Bug|209593}} - UNIX permissions and ownership
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*** Martin finds it odd that IRemoteFile adapts to IFilePermissionsService... shouldn't the IFileService adapt to it? -
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*** Martin thinks that IHostFile objects should be immutable in order to make caching and threading safer - can we get rid of IHostFile#renameTo() ? Only the actual (Service) implementation should be able to create / change IHostFile objects. How to deal with "pending" permissions? Use a queue to avoid duplicate queries in dstore?
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**** unlike permissions, "name" identifies a file via getAbsoluteName() -- that led to problems in the past
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**** boils down to the question how reiably we think we understand the remote system
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**** similar to what we had with setReadOnly() -- need to know when we need to refresh
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**** Martin: The SERVICE should decide whether it wants to re-query or use the (locally modified) object
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**** Dave: But if it's delegated to the service, we need to make the UI aware of the changes
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* '''Kevin:''' -  
 
* '''Kevin:''' -  
* '''Xuan:''' - Need to add plugin org.eclipse.rse.useractions into build.  Needed by IBM
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* '''Xuan:''' - Need to add plugin org.eclipse.rse.useractions into build.  Needed by IBM (after M5)
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** Martin: will need to be a separate downloadable component.
 
* '''Martin:''' - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
 
* '''Martin:''' - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
 
* '''Uwe:''' -  
 
* '''Uwe:''' -  
 
* '''Rupen:''' - {{Bug|210682}} - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy - dialog ready, jpeg posted on the bug
 
* '''Rupen:''' - {{Bug|210682}} - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy - dialog ready, jpeg posted on the bug
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** Want to get current state (functional dialog) committed and treat changes via separate bugs. Issues with cross-subsystem copies
 
* '''Michael:''' -  
 
* '''Michael:''' -  
 
* '''Questions'''
 
* '''Questions'''

Revision as of 12:59, 6 February 2008

Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Wednesday Feb 6, 2007 at 1600 UTC / 1100 Eastern
Dial-in: Martin to call everybody by Skype

Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #

MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.

Contents

Invited Attendees

  • IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber, Michael Scharf, Ted Williams, Eugene Tarassov
  • Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus

This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).

Agenda

Current Work

  • Skype Call Quality
  • M5 upcoming - Test and endgame plan?
    • Want M5 finished by Friday Feb 15 --> Risky checkins to be complete by Friday Feb 8 --> Test run on Tuesday Feb 12
    • First PII drop on Feb 25th, Deadline until end of M6; try to minimize any wholesale changes after Feb.25th
    • PII Changes for UI/Non-UI Splitting e.g. bug 190231 SubSystem, bug 211067 SystemMessages in Services
    • 3.0 M5 assigned open bugs
      • SystemMessages UI/Core separation - AI DaveM to investigate
        • DaveD prefer to have standard NLS strings only
  • TM 2.0.3 upcoming Feb.29 -- 2.0.3 assigned bugs, any else?
    • AI All file 'backport' bugs for 2.0.3 until end of this week
  • Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
    • Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not?
  • Eugene new committer
  • Can we commit to support Java 6 (just runtime)?
    • YES. Develop against Java 1.4 and test against Java 6. Main topic is incorporation of scripting. Eclipse Debugger supports finding references of objects.
  • TM Website
    • bug 216197 Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes
    • Kevin: Discussions fine so far, not touched the code yet?
    • Martin: Would like to get more dynamic information onto the homepage in an automated manner e.g. automated release notes with milestones. Avoid merging errors if starting work end this week.
  • Bug Fixing - Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
  • Next BugDay/February_2008 on Feb 29
  • Javier busy until end of Feb; no time for Eclipse currently
  • DaveD's lazy init done. bug 217556 ServiceSubSystem
    • What if a subsystem does not have a service layer? - Return null for getServiceType()
    • Existing code that checks whether something has a service needs to be changed: AI DaveD Find references to IServiceSubSystem
    • bug 217894 Subsystem Configuration Families - subsystem category would be orthogonal to subsystem family -- family would be related to connector service -- AI All comment on the bug
    • Import/export connections rather than profiles - extend the persistence provider for import/export. Use a profile that only contains those things relevant to the exported elements, and merge it on import (or instantiate + copy).
      • Uwe: Contributors may have their own format for import/export already
      • This is maybe related to bug 160403 Filters should be connection-private by default
  • DaveM: -
    • EFS and encodings - No response from platform or TPF teams
    • (TPF) product teams extended SystemView in the past, no response from them
  • Kevin: -
  • Xuan: - Need to add plugin org.eclipse.rse.useractions into build. Needed by IBM (after M5)
    • Martin: will need to be a separate downloadable component.
  • Martin: - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
  • Uwe: -
  • Rupen: - bug 210682 - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy - dialog ready, jpeg posted on the bug
    • Want to get current state (functional dialog) committed and treat changes via separate bugs. Issues with cross-subsystem copies
  • Michael: -
  • Questions

Vacation, Away

  • DaveD on vacation Feb 18-21
  • Feb.18 is Family Day in Ontario

Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • DaveD: fixes, unit tests
  • DaveM: Ask committers about multi-property-dialog; fixes, unit tests; ask Violaine about bug 209704
  • Xuan: fixes, unit tests
  • Kevin: fixes, unit tests
  • Martin: Update bugzilla's; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup
  • Javier: fixes, unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
  • Michael: Terminal improvements

Next Meeting