DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 31-May-2006

Meeting Title:	TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time:	Wednesday May 31, 2006 at 6.30am PDT / 8.30am CDT / 9.30am Toronto / 3.30pm Salzburg
Dial-in:	Skype martin.oberhuber, ddykstal, david-k-mcknight, kushal_munir, mikey_yo

Fixed-line fallback dial-in:

• International +1 314-655-1411
• North America +1 877-422-0035 (toll free)
• Passcode: 764918

Attendees

• IBM - Dave Dykstal, Dave McKnight, Kushal Munir, Michael Berger
• Wind River - Martin Oberhuber

Agenda

• Our top goals
  • Enable Community Participation, grow the Community
    • That's the #1 requirement for release review - active user and adopter communities.
    • We get those through providing something useful for them, and helping them adopt it (tutorial, docs, mailinglist help)
  • Get the APIs Right
    • We need to enable API discussions in public.
  • Get our Processes in place
• Process/IP/Legal
  • Comfortable with bugzilla and CVS processes? - TM Developer Resources
  • tm-log.csv -- questions?
    • Logging on a per-contribution basis: if multiple patches are on a single bugzilla, each is a line in the log.
    • Update-change-Commit the log early to avoid merging or making it a bottleneck.
  • recent contributions: docs, junit, user-actions, import/export
• RSE/EFS discussion
  • RSE API Discussion
    • Don't want to make this page a duplicate of the docs. Want to drive API discussions over the javadoc.
    • Need to reconcile the javadoc with the Wiki page -- make some classes / interfaces internal
    • Want the Wiki page to be a directory into what's going on / being planned.
    • SystemMessages API?
  • Eclipse File Service APIs Compared
    • Can we make EFS a Plan item? Any big rocks to overcome? Get help from Tianchao?
    • Continue discussion with Tianchao; concerned that he only sees "files" while there are other subsystems.
    • Eclipse 3.2 has chicken&egg problems when creating projects, because temp files are stored in the RemoteSystemsTempFiles project. This leads to race conditions - not sure how to address this, DaveM has a patch for Eclipse to make it work. For now, JDT or CDT do not yet support EFS (Patch from Tianchao for CDT is on bug 142092)
    • There are other EFS problems, e.g. bug 134270 being deferred to Eclipse 3.3 -- they want to wait until there are more EFS clients
    • EFS support will most probably remain a Toy until release.
    • An EFS Browser in RSE seems to be a valuable thing -- could be based on the "Local" system type. Would be a great project for somebody to do, but the RSE core team will not have time to address this soon -- perhaps as an Example late in August.
  • RSE 2.0 Planning
• Give better access to docs?
  • Online browseable docs? - AI Martin: Get this set up
  • Downloadable compiled docs?
  • Update Site?
• Mailing List Duty
  • All committers should be active on the mailing lists
• Bugzilla Situation - use "Rember Search as.." in Bugzilla
  • RSE Open Major
  • RSE Hi-pri Enhancements
  • 141835 - user id is not stored
  • Edit searches and let bugzilla remember the new ones... e.g. "Assigned to Me"
• Last meeting action items
• Free discussion -- feelings, comments, critics
• Next steps
  • DaveD - contributions(junit, user-actions, import/export), automated builds, bugfixing
  • DaveM - bugfixing, drive the API discussions, ML duty
  • Kushal - wizard completely replaceable, ui/non-ui refactoring
  • Martin - Process Docs, Press Text, Tutorial/Getting Started, ssh fixes, api and doc reviews, Doc Server

Next Meeting

• Open DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 7-Jun-2006 at 9am PST
• Martin O on vacation Jun 12-23
• DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 28-Jun-2006 at 9.30am Toronto
• Dave D on vacation Jul 1-15