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Difference between revisions of "DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 31-May-2006"
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| − | | Wednesday [[May 31, 2006]] at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2006&month=5&day=31&hour=13&min=30&sec=0&p1=223&p2=250&p3=421&p4=224 6.30am PDT / 9.30am Toronto / 3.30pm Salzburg] | + | | Wednesday [[May 31, 2006]] at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2006&month=5&day=31&hour=13&min=30&sec=0&p1=223&p2=250&p3=421&p4=224 6.30am PDT / 8.30am CDT / 9.30am Toronto / 3.30pm Salzburg] |
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| Dial-in: | | Dial-in: | ||
| − | | Skype '''martin.oberhuber''', ddykstal | + | | Skype '''martin.oberhuber''', ddykstal, david-k-mcknight, kushal_munir, mikey_yo |
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Fixed-line fallback dial-in: | Fixed-line fallback dial-in: | ||
| − | * International '''+ | + | * International '''+1 314-655-1411''' |
| − | * | + | * North America '''+1 877-422-0035''' (toll free) |
| − | * Passcode: ''' | + | * Passcode: '''764918''' |
== Attendees == | == Attendees == | ||
| − | * IBM - Dave Dykstal, Dave McKnight, Kushal Munir | + | * IBM - Dave Dykstal, Dave McKnight, Kushal Munir, Michael Berger |
* Wind River - Martin Oberhuber | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber | ||
== Agenda == | == Agenda == | ||
| + | * Our top goals | ||
| + | ** Enable Community Participation, grow the Community | ||
| + | *** That's the #1 requirement for release review - active user and adopter communities. | ||
| + | *** We get those through providing something useful for them, and helping them adopt it (tutorial, docs, mailinglist help) | ||
| + | ** Get the APIs Right | ||
| + | *** We need to enable API discussions in public. | ||
| + | ** Get our Processes in place | ||
* Process/IP/Legal | * Process/IP/Legal | ||
** Comfortable with bugzilla and CVS processes? - [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/development/index.php TM Developer Resources] | ** Comfortable with bugzilla and CVS processes? - [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/development/index.php TM Developer Resources] | ||
** tm-log.csv -- questions? | ** tm-log.csv -- questions? | ||
| + | *** Logging on a per-contribution basis: if multiple patches are on a single bugzilla, each is a line in the log. | ||
| + | *** Update-change-Commit the log early to avoid merging or making it a bottleneck. | ||
** recent contributions: docs, junit, user-actions, import/export | ** recent contributions: docs, junit, user-actions, import/export | ||
* RSE/EFS discussion | * RSE/EFS discussion | ||
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** [[RSE API Discussion]] | ** [[RSE API Discussion]] | ||
| + | *** Don't want to make this page a duplicate of the docs. Want to drive API discussions over the javadoc. | ||
| + | *** Need to reconcile the javadoc with the Wiki page -- make some classes / interfaces internal | ||
| + | *** Want the Wiki page to be a directory into what's going on / being planned. | ||
| + | *** SystemMessages API? | ||
| + | ** [[Eclipse File Service APIs Compared]] | ||
| + | *** Can we make EFS a Plan item? Any big rocks to overcome? Get help from Tianchao? | ||
| + | *** Continue discussion with Tianchao; concerned that he only sees "files" while there are other subsystems. | ||
| + | *** Eclipse 3.2 has chicken&egg problems when creating projects, because temp files are stored in the RemoteSystemsTempFiles project. This leads to race conditions - not sure how to address this, DaveM has a patch for Eclipse to make it work. For now, JDT or CDT do not yet support EFS (Patch from Tianchao for CDT is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=142092 bug 142092]) | ||
| + | *** There are other EFS problems, e.g. [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=134270 bug 134270] being deferred to Eclipse 3.3 -- they want to wait until there are more EFS clients | ||
| + | *** EFS support will most probably remain a Toy until release. | ||
| + | *** An EFS Browser in RSE seems to be a valuable thing -- could be based on the "Local" system type. Would be a great project for somebody to do, but the RSE core team will not have time to address this soon -- perhaps as an Example late in August. | ||
** [[RSE 2.0 Planning]] | ** [[RSE 2.0 Planning]] | ||
* Give better access to docs? | * Give better access to docs? | ||
| − | ** Online browseable docs? | + | ** Online browseable docs? - AI Martin: Get this set up |
** Downloadable compiled docs? | ** Downloadable compiled docs? | ||
** Update Site? | ** Update Site? | ||
| + | * Mailing List Duty | ||
| + | ** All committers should be active on the mailing lists | ||
| + | * Bugzilla Situation - use "Rember Search as.." in Bugzilla | ||
| + | ** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&component=RSE&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&cmdtype=doit RSE Open Major] | ||
| + | ** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&component=RSE&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=enhancement&priority=P1&priority=P2&cmdtype=doit RSE Hi-pri Enhancements] | ||
| + | ** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=141835 141835] - user id is not stored | ||
| + | ** Edit searches and let bugzilla remember the new ones... e.g. "Assigned to Me" | ||
* [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 23-May-2006|Last meeting]] action items | * [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 23-May-2006|Last meeting]] action items | ||
| − | * | + | * Free discussion -- feelings, comments, critics |
* Next steps | * Next steps | ||
| − | ** | + | ** DaveD - contributions(junit, user-actions, import/export), automated builds, bugfixing |
| − | ** | + | ** DaveM - bugfixing, drive the API discussions, ML duty |
| + | ** Kushal - wizard completely replaceable, ui/non-ui refactoring | ||
| + | ** Martin - Process Docs, Press Text, Tutorial/Getting Started, ssh fixes, api and doc reviews, Doc Server | ||
== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
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* Martin O on vacation Jun 12-23 | * Martin O on vacation Jun 12-23 | ||
* [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 28-Jun-2006]] at 9.30am Toronto | * [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 28-Jun-2006]] at 9.30am Toronto | ||
| + | * Dave D on vacation Jul 1-15 | ||
Latest revision as of 11:24, 31 May 2006
| Meeting Title: | TM Committer Phone Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Wednesday May 31, 2006 at 6.30am PDT / 8.30am CDT / 9.30am Toronto / 3.30pm Salzburg |
| Dial-in: | Skype martin.oberhuber, ddykstal, david-k-mcknight, kushal_munir, mikey_yo |
Fixed-line fallback dial-in:
- International +1 314-655-1411
- North America +1 877-422-0035 (toll free)
- Passcode: 764918
Attendees
- IBM - Dave Dykstal, Dave McKnight, Kushal Munir, Michael Berger
- Wind River - Martin Oberhuber
Agenda
- Our top goals
- Enable Community Participation, grow the Community
- That's the #1 requirement for release review - active user and adopter communities.
- We get those through providing something useful for them, and helping them adopt it (tutorial, docs, mailinglist help)
- Get the APIs Right
- We need to enable API discussions in public.
- Get our Processes in place
- Enable Community Participation, grow the Community
- Process/IP/Legal
- Comfortable with bugzilla and CVS processes? - TM Developer Resources
- tm-log.csv -- questions?
- Logging on a per-contribution basis: if multiple patches are on a single bugzilla, each is a line in the log.
- Update-change-Commit the log early to avoid merging or making it a bottleneck.
- recent contributions: docs, junit, user-actions, import/export
- RSE/EFS discussion
- RSE API Discussion
- Don't want to make this page a duplicate of the docs. Want to drive API discussions over the javadoc.
- Need to reconcile the javadoc with the Wiki page -- make some classes / interfaces internal
- Want the Wiki page to be a directory into what's going on / being planned.
- SystemMessages API?
- Eclipse File Service APIs Compared
- Can we make EFS a Plan item? Any big rocks to overcome? Get help from Tianchao?
- Continue discussion with Tianchao; concerned that he only sees "files" while there are other subsystems.
- Eclipse 3.2 has chicken&egg problems when creating projects, because temp files are stored in the RemoteSystemsTempFiles project. This leads to race conditions - not sure how to address this, DaveM has a patch for Eclipse to make it work. For now, JDT or CDT do not yet support EFS (Patch from Tianchao for CDT is on bug 142092)
- There are other EFS problems, e.g. bug 134270 being deferred to Eclipse 3.3 -- they want to wait until there are more EFS clients
- EFS support will most probably remain a Toy until release.
- An EFS Browser in RSE seems to be a valuable thing -- could be based on the "Local" system type. Would be a great project for somebody to do, but the RSE core team will not have time to address this soon -- perhaps as an Example late in August.
- RSE 2.0 Planning
- RSE API Discussion
- Give better access to docs?
- Online browseable docs? - AI Martin: Get this set up
- Downloadable compiled docs?
- Update Site?
- Mailing List Duty
- All committers should be active on the mailing lists
- Bugzilla Situation - use "Rember Search as.." in Bugzilla
- RSE Open Major
- RSE Hi-pri Enhancements
- 141835 - user id is not stored
- Edit searches and let bugzilla remember the new ones... e.g. "Assigned to Me"
- Last meeting action items
- Free discussion -- feelings, comments, critics
- Next steps
- DaveD - contributions(junit, user-actions, import/export), automated builds, bugfixing
- DaveM - bugfixing, drive the API discussions, ML duty
- Kushal - wizard completely replaceable, ui/non-ui refactoring
- Martin - Process Docs, Press Text, Tutorial/Getting Started, ssh fixes, api and doc reviews, Doc Server
Next Meeting
- Open DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 7-Jun-2006 at 9am PST
- Martin O on vacation Jun 12-23
- DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 28-Jun-2006 at 9.30am Toronto
- Dave D on vacation Jul 1-15