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DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 28-May-2008

Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Wednesday May 28, 2008 at 1500 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1000 Rochester / 1100 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg
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Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, michael_scharf, uwe.stieber, radoslav.gerganov, wrsfburton.

Invited Attendees

  • IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian, Kevin Doyle
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Michael Scharf, Uwe Stieber, Eugene Tarassov, Felix Burton
  • Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus
  • ProSyst - Radoslav Gerganov

This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).


New Stuff

  • Ganymede Promotions
    • Will do a 15-minute Screencast of TM for EMO Marketing - Ideas for things to show?
    • Listing New&Noteworthy for ZX
    • BugDay/May 2008 on May 30, who will be on IRC?
  • Late API Changes / Additions
    • Must decide how we want to handle Apidoc bugs
    • Take the time now to review and improve unclear API descriptions
    • All open API bugs
    • bug 234215 bug 234030: AbstractSystemViewElementAdapter#doDelete*(): Treat Exception same as SystemMessageException? Treat "cancelled" same as Exception?
    • bug 165171 Should the File Permissions Property Page be extendable? Close bug, file a new one?
    • bug 190231 Subsystem UI->non-UI: Go for it?
    • bug 230298 (api)(breaking) ISystemPropertyConstants should not extend IBasicPropertyConstants
    • bug 185348, bug 204796 Terminal non-API

Steps Towards Ganymede

  • DSDP/TM/3.0 Ramp down Plan for Ganymede
    • We have RC2, so from now on EVERY checkin must get a +1 by a reviewer BEFORE (except emergencies, documentation-only or unittest-only things). Also applies to "incubation". Rules do not apply to TCF
    • Please do NOT only ask me for reviewing, it doesn't scale
  • TM 3.0 RC2 Testing Status
    • Committers step up with good example to draw community members to it!
    • Somebody must test our integration with the JEE EPP Package
  • Bug Triage
    • AI Everyone must review your assigned bugs and move to 3.0.1 where possible
    • All "3.0" assigned bugs must be triaged now and either assigned a proper RC milestone or 3.0.1 (with the exception of Documentation-only fixes)
    • Work on remaining ones by priority
    • Open RC2 Assigned bugs, open 3.0 Assigned bugs
    • Severity Major, Hi-Priority
    • Current Statistics: 1 blocker (Martin), 1 critical (Martin), 8 major (DaveD, Kevin, Martin, Michael), 23 other P2's -- was 10 major / 20 P2's last week
    • Community contributions: Only few unapplied patches right now, last chance to apply now before 3.0 (see also the Bug Process Page for a query)
  • Martin's new Build System for Dave
    • In the works
  • New and Noteworthy
    • I'll need a list of new features for a New&Noteworthy, and for the Release Review. Release Review material is due next week.
    • See CDT/User/NewIn50 for example; for TM, I put most news into our Build Notes already, so it should be possible to compile the N&N out of the build notes
    • For the N&N, please make screenshots and work on "your" new features, e.g.
      • Useractions
  • Cleanup Work
    • Besides the hi-priority issues, there is a LOT of cleanup to do. What do we consider must-have's?
      • Unittests, unittests, unittests!
      • New releng scripts on (Martin: must-have before his vacation)
      • Copyright Year Updates (Run the releng Copyrights Tool)
      • Migration Notes (for 2.0 / for 1.0?)
      • API Tooling Javadocs(@noextend and friends) - bug 227368, bug 225529 comment 4 and bug 225529 comment 6 - DSDP/TM/Code Ownership
      • Review and improve Userdocs; we have several open bugs here
      • Review and improve Javadocs; lots still missing, unclear, duplicated
      • Fix broken hyperlinks in the docs, fix HTML/XML errors (which can make the indexer not work)
      • Get rid of compiler warnings wherever possible
      • Add more Unittests -- ideally write an accompanying unittest for every bugfix
      • Run Findbugs -- Update site on, Quickdocs by Rado in tm-dev E-Mail
        • Question about filtering false positives posted on fb-discuss link
    • TM Website: revamp should really be complete for Ganymede! Kevin and Martin won't have time. DaveD will try to get to it, but cannot promise.

What will happen after Ganymede?

  • Going for 3.1 next year?
    • Not breaking API in 3.1 means that we may introduce new concepts as duplicated new API at places, and deprecate the old one so I cannot see anything against 3.1
    • Create a bugzilla 3.1 target milestone to start the planning process / reassign bugs on review
  • TM Future Planning Wiki for collecting ideas. Some first thoughts on Priorities?
    • Connection Grouping - be Multicore aware
    • Rewrite the Tableview to be really aware of Properties
    • More dynamic subsystem enablement and configuration (e.g. detect UNIX vs Windows automatically at runtime)
    • Hi-Performance, caching EFS provider
    • Bring TCF to Maturity
    • Quality: Add unittest coverage, reduce bloat, improve performance, streamline APIs
    • Java1.4 on the Server, Java5 on the Client


  • DaveD context menu on SystemView / TeamView: something going on with the way how items are being added. Bringing up the context menu immediately after startup shows some debugger related stuff. Martin: bug 208062

Committer Status and Report

  • Javier - New Employer in Barcelona
  • DaveD -
  • DaveM: -
    • JUnit should autotest dstore against old servers as well - an IBM thing
  • Kevin: -
  • Xuan: -
  • Martin: - bug 215301 New project plan format -- Need to put Project Plan on the Web; AI Martin Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
    • Commons.Net 1.5.0 not yet released - AI Martin create placeholder CQ
    • Next tasks - Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters; some exceptions observed by Uwe (Wind River) in our nightly wheels
    • bug 221190 EFS getChild() with relative path - perhaps need to check whether our impl still works properly
    • GSoC student Takuya Miyamoto for bug 185925
  • Uwe: -
  • Rupen: -
  • Michael: -
  • Eugene: -
  • Rado: -
  • Felix: -
  • Questions

Old Stuff

  • Unit Tests - next priority after API
  • Migrating to new Releng on (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc)
  • bug 221211 MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. AI DaveD/DaveM update Javadocs when it's clear what we want
  • bug 220379 Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter - is this fixed now that IService is IAdaptable as per bug 226262? AI DaveM ask reporters
  • bug 220547 SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local - AI DaveM think about
  • Quality, Backlog and Unit Tests
    • Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
    • Since our DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007 it's now 31 weeks / 5 milestones, so each committer is due 62 fixes / 10 unittests
    • Current situation is on this bugzilla report
    • Unittests: when adding a test, please add the tag //-test-author:YourName in front of it
      • DaveM - 5
      • DaveD - 22
      • KevinD - 11
      • MartinO - 3
      • TobiasS - 3
      • UweS - 7
      • XuanC - 51
      • Total - 101
      • Javier - 0

Vacation, away

  • Martin vacation June 11 - 22 -- AI Martin finish and test the new Build scripts on till then
  • DaveM vacation June 16 - 20
  • DaveD in July

Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • Everyone: Add @noextend etc according to DSDP/TM/Code Ownership table;
    • Triage 3.0 and earlier assigned bugs and move to 3.0.1 what we can
    • Bug fixes, cleanup, unittests
  • DaveD:
  • DaveM: Fix bug 231209 IRemoteFile.getSystemConnection()
  • Kevin: -
  • Rupen: -
  • Xuan: -
  • Martin: New Project Plan; Critical EFS bugs; UI/Non-UI Splitting; Finish new Releng and tell DaveD;
  • Javier: Hi-PRI FTP BUGS
  • Michael: Terminal improvements
  • Uwe: -
  • Rado: Fix bug 230919 IFileService.delete()
  • Felix: -
  • Eugene: -

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