DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 26-Mar-2008

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Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Wednesday Mar 26, 2008 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1100 Rochester / 1200 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg
Dial-in: Martin to call everybody by Skype

Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #

MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.

Contents

Invited Attendees

  • IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber, Michael Scharf, Eugene Tarassov
  • Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus

This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).

Agenda

EclipseCon 2008 Report

  • Best EclipseCon Ever :-)
  • TM Tutorial - focus on 50% TCF and 50% rse; about 30 people, very positive feedback
  • TM Short Talk - may re-use slides
  • Blog Post about TCF
  • CDT Remote / RDT call for participation, being discussed on cdt-dev list for now
  • DSDP BOF - towards two "packages" of DSDP projects for mobile Java / device development, likely with P2 installer but on SourceForge due to needing GPL for cross-compilers / emulators
  • Big Press hype about Microsoft envolvement in Eclipse but rather disappointing keynote by Sam Ramji - though the EMO likes to see things positive. Still, the facts are: no commitment yet by MS but wants to help out in SWT-WPF port and Higgins-Cardspace
  • E4: IBM/RAP want to webalize SWT, which may be a good thing in terms of architecture but is not the whole story: need to collect requirements from all the community in a suitable forum, and a face-to-face kickoff meeting
    • In general, it looks like the community is dozing a little wrt Platform - no exciting new talks, no exciting new features but much more breadth of community. Also, OSGi is gaining even more momentum, new Eclipse RT (Runtime) toplevel project started
  • Played with DTP / SQL Query Builder, BIRT Charting
  • Eclipse Command Language (ECL) looked very interesting
  • Automated UI testing: RCP Robot and FIT was extremely hot - FIT tables in Excel (idea by Ward Cunningham) together with Fixtures maintained by the developer and SWT Bot for the actual test execution
  • RTSC and NAB were excellent talks from DSDP
  • Had some discussions with Scott Lewis about ECF especially comparing against TCF and integrating into RSE: we should really do an RSE ECF file provider, they got the browsing APIs now
  • Most funny EclipseCon stuff: Vista SP1 Features, How to get IP approved quicly, the most awsome guy at Eclipse and its Fake, stuff from the Fake Steve Jobs blog

M6 Focus

  • M6 is Apr 07 -- Testing Apr 1 or 2 -- Should do better than last time
  • Currently 39 bugs assigned M6 - especially DaveD - what can we really get done
  • NLS Fixes - few still missing, see mailing list - must have for M6 - AI Javier, DaveM
  • Unit Tests - next priority after API
  • Will migrate to new Releng after M6 (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc... too risky for now, focus on API)
  • Adopting Api Tooling: Martin tried it out for some plugins - renaming (CANCELLED->CANCELED) is not very well reflected - martin filed bug 222905 - but we might want to rev down org.eclipse.rse.services from 3.0.0 back to 2.1.0

Hi-pri-bugs; community contributions; apply patches

  • bug 210682 Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog AI Rupen merge again, AI DaveM apply patch soon
  • bug 214887 WinCE Subsystem - pending EMO Review
  • bug 170910 RSE Terminal Integration - Montavista Contribution pending this friday for API change to allow Streams API for IHostShell
  • See the Bug Process Page for a query for open bugs with patches attached

Bug Discussions

  • bug 190231 subsystem UI -> Core: AI Martin to ask Dave if questions - idea is an IAdaptable to adapt the Wizard Pages into something consumable in non-UI for configuring subsystems, e.g. Property Sets
  • bug 220892 reving down dstore protocol version - AI DaveM implement version handshake as discussed - this is API!
    • Waiting for Code Contribution from another team
      • Martin: Will not accept any new feature into M6 after this Friday. After M6, API changes are subject to discussion, nobody has a right to change API so in the worst case they may have missed the train and need to fork off their private branch of RSE / DStore.
    • (done: Handler Hook for registering handshake handler / error handler; may need new API for protocol handshake)
  • bug 221211 MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. AI DaveD/DaveM update Javadocs when it's clear what we want
  • bug 220379 Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter - AI DaveM ask reporters
  • bug 220547 SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local - AI DaveM think about
  • bug 218947 IRemotePath idea - AI DaveM create new defect for the API change
    • DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service?
    • Looks like we won't get to this for M6
  • Quality, Backlog and Unit Tests
    • Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
    • Since our DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007 it's now 27 weeks / 5 milestones, so each committer is due 54 fixes / 10 unittests
    • Current situation is on this bugzilla report
    • Unittests: when adding a test, please add the tag //-test-author:YourName in front of it
      • DaveM - 5
      • DaveD - 22
      • KevinD - 11
      • MartinO - 3
      • TobiasS - 3
      • UweS - 7
      • XuanC - 51
      • Total - 101
      • Javier - 0

Committer Status and Report

  • Javier leaving Symbian, going to work in Barcelona - will remain involved with DSDP; somebody else from Symbian to take over
    • Fix NLS issues AI Javier
    • bug 212382 ftpListingParser initCommands AI Javier
    • Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0
  • DaveD
    • bug 217894 Subsystem Configuration Families - not for M6 - AI All comment on the bug
    • bug 189274 Import/export connections internal but TBD for M6
  • DaveM: -
    • bug 222404 Associate propery sets with RSE objects and keep those associated in the event of a rename or move - an interesting feature in exchange for events - DaveD: Looks interesting but need to look at closely; Martin - should do Events suggestion for now; maybe could use an adapter factory for data payload, but need more investigation
    • EFS and encodings - No response from platform - off our radar for now
  • Kevin: - bug 221190 EFS getChild() with relative path - perhaps need to check whether our impl still works properly
  • Xuan: - Will only have time for PropertyFileAdapter stuff: Property adapters for User actions -- will need some NLS changes
    • Compile Commands Problem: Key in property sets is case insensitive in hashmap
    • IPZilla: Getting only notifications for WinCE - Martin: Commons Net 1.5 not yet filed, JSch-0.1.37 is approved and in Platform M6
  • Martin: - bug 215301 New project plan format -- Need to put Project Plan on the Web; AI Martin written ramp-down plan; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
    • Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and promote.sh
    • JSch-0.1.37, Commons.Net 1.5.0
    • Next tasks - Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters; some exceptions observed by Uwe (Wind River) in our nightly wheels
  • Uwe: -
  • Rupen: - Merging multi-copy & rename
  • Michael: -
  • Questions

Future and Planning

  • Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
    • Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not? - DaveD Mylyn is nice for bug review!
    • bug 215301 New Standard Project Plan Format
  • TM Website
    • AI Kevin follow up on his website proposals


Vacation, Away

  • Martin in SFO Apr 14-18 for ESC and PluginFest
  • DaveD probably taking some time off

Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • Everyone: Review bug 216252 SystemMessages refactoring
  • DaveD:
  • DaveM: Use Properties for Unit Tests
  • Xuan: Use Properties for Unit Tests
  • Kevin: Website Updates
  • Martin: finish new releng; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests
  • Javier: bug 212382 ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
  • Michael: Terminal improvements

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