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Skype dial-in: '''martin.oberhuber''', ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.<br/> | Skype dial-in: '''martin.oberhuber''', ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.<br/> | ||
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| − | * IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight | + | * IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian, (Kevin Doyle n/a) |
| − | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber | + | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Michael Scharf, (Uwe Stieber n/a), (Eugene Tarassov n/a) |
* Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus | * Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus | ||
This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only). | This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only). | ||
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* Last meeting: [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 5-Mar-2008]] | * Last meeting: [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 5-Mar-2008]] | ||
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| − | + | === '''EclipseCon 2008 in a Nutshell''' === | |
| − | ** | + | * Best EclipseCon Ever :-) |
| − | * | + | * DSDP and TM stuff: |
| − | ** | + | ** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=38 TM Tutorial] - focus on 50% TCF and 50% rse; about 30 people, very positive feedback |
| − | * | + | ** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=39 TM Short Talk] - may re-use slides |
| − | * | + | ** [http://tmober.blogspot.com/2008/03/target-communication-framework-tcf.html Blog Post about TCF] |
| − | * | + | ** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=323 CDT Remote / RDT] call for participation, being discussed on cdt-dev list for now |
| − | ** | + | ** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=582 DSDP BOF] - towards two "packages" of DSDP projects for mobile Java / device development, likely with P2 installer but on SourceForge due to needing GPL for cross-compilers / emulators |
| − | *** | + | ** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=213 RTSC] and [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=37 NAB] were excellent talks from DSDP |
| − | *** | + | * Big Press hype about Microsoft envolvement in Eclipse but rather [http://douggaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/eclipsecon-08-we-barely-knew-ye.html disappointing keynote] by Sam Ramji - though the EMO likes to [http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/IanSkerrett/~3/254405704/ see things positive]. Still, the [http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2008/03/eclipsecon-wednesday.html facts are]: no commitment yet by MS but wants to help out in SWT-WPF port and Higgins-Cardspace |
| − | *** | + | * Eclipse 4.0 aka [[E4]]: IBM/RAP want to webalize SWT, which may be a good thing in terms of architecture but is not the whole story: need to collect requirements from all the community in a suitable forum, and a face-to-face kickoff meeting |
| − | *** | + | ** In general, it looks like the community is dozing a little wrt Platform - no exciting new talks, no exciting new features but much more breadth of community. Also, OSGi is gaining even more momentum, new Eclipse RT (Runtime) toplevel project started |
| − | ** | + | * Played with [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=117 DTP / SQL Query Builder], [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=173 BIRT Charting] |
| − | * | + | * [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=272 Eclipse Command Language (ECL)] looked very interesting |
| − | ** | + | * Automated UI testing: [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=440 RCP Robot and FIT] was extremely hot - FIT tables in Excel (idea by Ward Cunningham) together with [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=238 Fixtures maintained by the developer] and [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=254 SWT Bot] for the actual test execution |
| − | + | * Had some discussions with Scott Lewis about [http://www.eclipse.org/ecf ECF] especially comparing against TCF and integrating into RSE: we should really do an RSE ECF file provider, they got the browsing APIs now | |
| − | ** | + | * Most funny EclipseCon stuff: [http://jonathancarter.co.za/vista-toilet-paper Vista SP1 Features], How to [http://eclipsewebmaster.blogspot.com/2008/03/eclipse-ip-done-easy.html get IP approved quicly], the most [http://pookzilla.net/wp/2008/03/are-you-experienced/ awsome guy at Eclipse] and its [http://inside-swt.blogspot.com/2008/03/fake-steve-northover.html Fake], stuff from the [http://eclipse-ecosystem.blogspot.com/2008/03/fake-steve-uncensored-eclipsecon.html Fake Steve Jobs] blog |
| − | * '''Javier''' | + | |
| + | === '''M6 Focus''' === | ||
| + | * M6 is Apr 07 -- Testing Apr 1 or 2 -- Should do better than last time | ||
| + | * Currently [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&target_milestone=3.0+M6&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit 39 bugs assigned M6] - especially DaveD - what can we really get done | ||
| + | * NLS Fixes - few still missing, see [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg01723.html mailing list] - '''must have for M6''' - '''AI Javier, DaveM''' | ||
| + | * '''Unit Tests''' - next priority after API | ||
| + | * Will migrate to new Releng after M6 (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc... too risky for now, focus on API) | ||
| + | * Adopting [[Api Tooling]]: Martin tried it out for some plugins - renaming (CANCELLED->CANCELED) is not very well reflected - martin filed {{Bug|222905}} - but we might want to rev down org.eclipse.rse.services from 3.0.0 back to 2.1.0 | ||
| + | ** No action item for us right now, Martin will adopt after M6 | ||
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| + | === '''Hi-pri-bugs; community contributions; apply patches''' === | ||
| + | * {{Bug|210682}} Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog '''AI Rupen''' merge again, '''AI DaveM''' apply patch soon | ||
| + | * {{Bug|214887}} WinCE Subsystem - pending EMO Review | ||
| + | * {{Bug|170910}} RSE Terminal Integration - Montavista Contribution pending this friday for API change to allow Streams API for IHostShell | ||
| + | ** Michael: we should probably help them making their Job easier by providing API for programmatic terminal connection | ||
| + | * See the [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/development/bug_process.php Bug Process Page] for a query for open bugs with patches attached | ||
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| + | === '''Bug Discussions''' === | ||
| + | * {{bug|190231}} subsystem UI -> Core: '''AI Martin''' to ask Dave if questions - idea is an IAdaptable to adapt the Wizard Pages into something consumable in non-UI for configuring subsystems, e.g. Property Sets | ||
| + | * {{Bug|220892}} reving down dstore protocol version - will keep as-is at DataStore.8.0.0 for now, doing protocol handshake after Ganymede. '''AI DaveM''' create a new bug for the protocol handshake assign to Future | ||
| + | ** Waiting for Code Contribution from another team - '''AI DaveM''' make them contribute real soon | ||
| + | ** Martin: Will not accept any new feature into M6 after this Friday. After M6, API changes are subject to discussion, nobody has a right to change API so in the worst case they may have missed the train and need to fork off their private branch of RSE / DStore. | ||
| + | * {{Bug|221211}} MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. '''AI DaveD/DaveM''' update Javadocs when it's clear what we want | ||
| + | * {{Bug|220379}} Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter - '''AI DaveM''' ask reporters | ||
| + | * {{Bug|220547}} SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local - '''AI DaveM''' think about | ||
| + | * {{bug|218947}} IRemotePath idea - not for M6. | ||
| + | ** DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service? | ||
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| + | * '''Bugzilla''': | ||
| + | ** [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&cmdtype=doit Severity Major], [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit&field0-0-0=priority&type0-0-0=regexp&value0-0-0=P%5B12%5D&field0-0-1=bug_severity&type0-0-1=regexp&value0-0-1=blocker%7Ccritical%7Cmajor hi-priority] | ||
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| + | === Committer Status and Report === | ||
| + | * '''Javier''' leaving Symbian, going to work in Barcelona - will remain involved with DSDP; somebody else from Symbian to take over | ||
| + | ** Fix NLS issues '''AI Javier''' | ||
| + | ** {{Bug|212382}} ftpListingParser initCommands '''AI Javier''' | ||
** Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0 | ** Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0 | ||
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* '''DaveD''' | * '''DaveD''' | ||
| − | ** {{bug|217894}} Subsystem Configuration Families - | + | ** {{bug|217894}} Subsystem Configuration Families - not for M6 - '''AI All''' comment on the bug |
| − | ** Import/export connections | + | ** {{bug|189274}} Import/export connections internal but TBD for M6 |
* '''DaveM:''' - | * '''DaveM:''' - | ||
| − | ** EFS and encodings - No response from platform - | + | ** {{bug|222404}} Associate property sets with RSE objects and keep those associated in the event of a rename or move - an interesting feature in exchange for events - DaveD: Looks interesting but need to look at closely; Martin - should do Events suggestion for now; maybe could use an adapter factory for data payload, but need more investigation |
| + | ** EFS and encodings - No response from platform - off our radar for now | ||
* '''Kevin:''' - | * '''Kevin:''' - | ||
| − | * '''Xuan:''' - Will | + | * '''Xuan:''' - Will only have time for PropertyFileAdapter stuff: Property adapters for User actions -- will need some NLS changes |
| − | * '''Martin:''' - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night | + | ** Compile Commands Problem: Key in property sets is case insensitive in hashmap |
| + | ** IPZilla: Getting only notifications for WinCE - Martin: Commons Net 1.5 not yet filed, JSch-0.1.37 is approved and in Platform M6 | ||
| + | * '''Martin:''' - {{bug|215301}} New project plan format -- Need to put Project Plan on the Web; '''AI Martin''' written ramp-down plan; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night | ||
** Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and promote.sh | ** Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and promote.sh | ||
| − | ** JSch-0.1.37, Commons.Net 1.5.0 | + | ** JSch-0.1.37 done in Platform M6, Commons.Net 1.5.0 not yet released - '''AI Martin''' create placeholder CQ |
| − | ** Next tasks - | + | ** Next tasks - Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters; some exceptions observed by Uwe (Wind River) in our nightly wheels |
| + | ** {{Bug|221190}} EFS getChild() with relative path - perhaps need to check whether our impl still works properly | ||
* '''Uwe:''' - | * '''Uwe:''' - | ||
| − | * '''Rupen:''' - | + | * '''Rupen:''' - Merging multi-copy & rename |
* '''Michael:''' - | * '''Michael:''' - | ||
* '''Questions''' | * '''Questions''' | ||
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== Vacation, Away == | == Vacation, Away == | ||
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| + | * Martin in SFO Apr 14-18 for ESC and PluginFest | ||
| + | * DaveD probably taking some time off | ||
== Action Items == | == Action Items == | ||
* [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 5-Mar-2008#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items | * [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 5-Mar-2008#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items | ||
| − | * '''Everyone''': Review {{bug| | + | * '''Everyone''': Review {{bug|217894}} subsystem configuration families |
| − | * '''DaveD''': | + | * '''Rupen''': Merge {{bug|210682}} multi-copy patch |
| − | * '''DaveM''': | + | * '''DaveD''': Finish profile import/export; Update {{bug|221211}} IFileService multi-commands Javadoc |
| − | * '''Xuan''': Use Properties for Unit Tests | + | * '''DaveM''': NLS fixes in dstore.security; contact IBM teams for {{bug|220892}} new dstore features, and {{bug|220379}} DStoreFileService API; apply Rupen's patch; think about {{bug|216252}} SystemMessages global vs. local message ID; create a new "Future" bug for dstore protocol handshake, cloned from {{bug|220892}} |
| + | * '''Xuan''': Finish PropertyFileAdapter stuff; Use Kevin's Properties for Unit Tests | ||
* '''Kevin''': Website Updates | * '''Kevin''': Website Updates | ||
| − | * '''Martin''': | + | * '''Martin''': New Project Plan; Ganymede Rampdown Plan; Commons Net Placeholder CQ; UI/Non-UI Splitting; finish new releng; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests |
| − | * '''Javier''': {{bug|212382}} ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=204138#c20 CVS] -- see also [[CVS_Development#Testing]] | + | * '''Javier''': NLS fixes in discovery and FTP; {{bug|212382}} ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=204138#c20 CVS] -- see also [[CVS_Development#Testing]] |
* '''Michael''': Terminal improvements | * '''Michael''': Terminal improvements | ||
Latest revision as of 13:55, 26 March 2008
| Meeting Title: | TM Committer Phone Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Wednesday Mar 26, 2008 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1100 Rochester / 1200 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg |
| Dial-in: | Martin to call everybody by Skype |
Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #
MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.
Contents
Attendees
- IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian, (Kevin Doyle n/a)
- Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Michael Scharf, (Uwe Stieber n/a), (Eugene Tarassov n/a)
- Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus
This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).
Notes
- Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 5-Mar-2008
- Skype Call Quality
- Good most of the time with few dropouts (7 participants). Javier had trouble connecting, needed 4 retries.
EclipseCon 2008 in a Nutshell
- Best EclipseCon Ever :-)
- DSDP and TM stuff:
- TM Tutorial - focus on 50% TCF and 50% rse; about 30 people, very positive feedback
- TM Short Talk - may re-use slides
- Blog Post about TCF
- CDT Remote / RDT call for participation, being discussed on cdt-dev list for now
- DSDP BOF - towards two "packages" of DSDP projects for mobile Java / device development, likely with P2 installer but on SourceForge due to needing GPL for cross-compilers / emulators
- RTSC and NAB were excellent talks from DSDP
- Big Press hype about Microsoft envolvement in Eclipse but rather disappointing keynote by Sam Ramji - though the EMO likes to see things positive. Still, the facts are: no commitment yet by MS but wants to help out in SWT-WPF port and Higgins-Cardspace
- Eclipse 4.0 aka E4: IBM/RAP want to webalize SWT, which may be a good thing in terms of architecture but is not the whole story: need to collect requirements from all the community in a suitable forum, and a face-to-face kickoff meeting
- In general, it looks like the community is dozing a little wrt Platform - no exciting new talks, no exciting new features but much more breadth of community. Also, OSGi is gaining even more momentum, new Eclipse RT (Runtime) toplevel project started
- Played with DTP / SQL Query Builder, BIRT Charting
- Eclipse Command Language (ECL) looked very interesting
- Automated UI testing: RCP Robot and FIT was extremely hot - FIT tables in Excel (idea by Ward Cunningham) together with Fixtures maintained by the developer and SWT Bot for the actual test execution
- Had some discussions with Scott Lewis about ECF especially comparing against TCF and integrating into RSE: we should really do an RSE ECF file provider, they got the browsing APIs now
- Most funny EclipseCon stuff: Vista SP1 Features, How to get IP approved quicly, the most awsome guy at Eclipse and its Fake, stuff from the Fake Steve Jobs blog
M6 Focus
- M6 is Apr 07 -- Testing Apr 1 or 2 -- Should do better than last time
- Currently 39 bugs assigned M6 - especially DaveD - what can we really get done
- NLS Fixes - few still missing, see mailing list - must have for M6 - AI Javier, DaveM
- Unit Tests - next priority after API
- Will migrate to new Releng after M6 (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc... too risky for now, focus on API)
- Adopting Api Tooling: Martin tried it out for some plugins - renaming (CANCELLED->CANCELED) is not very well reflected - martin filed bug 222905 - but we might want to rev down org.eclipse.rse.services from 3.0.0 back to 2.1.0
- No action item for us right now, Martin will adopt after M6
Hi-pri-bugs; community contributions; apply patches
- bug 210682 Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog AI Rupen merge again, AI DaveM apply patch soon
- bug 214887 WinCE Subsystem - pending EMO Review
- bug 170910 RSE Terminal Integration - Montavista Contribution pending this friday for API change to allow Streams API for IHostShell
- Michael: we should probably help them making their Job easier by providing API for programmatic terminal connection
- See the Bug Process Page for a query for open bugs with patches attached
Bug Discussions
- bug 190231 subsystem UI -> Core: AI Martin to ask Dave if questions - idea is an IAdaptable to adapt the Wizard Pages into something consumable in non-UI for configuring subsystems, e.g. Property Sets
- bug 220892 reving down dstore protocol version - will keep as-is at DataStore.8.0.0 for now, doing protocol handshake after Ganymede. AI DaveM create a new bug for the protocol handshake assign to Future
- Waiting for Code Contribution from another team - AI DaveM make them contribute real soon
- Martin: Will not accept any new feature into M6 after this Friday. After M6, API changes are subject to discussion, nobody has a right to change API so in the worst case they may have missed the train and need to fork off their private branch of RSE / DStore.
- bug 221211 MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. AI DaveD/DaveM update Javadocs when it's clear what we want
- bug 220379 Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter - AI DaveM ask reporters
- bug 220547 SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local - AI DaveM think about
- bug 218947 IRemotePath idea - not for M6.
- DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service?
- Bugzilla:
Committer Status and Report
- Javier leaving Symbian, going to work in Barcelona - will remain involved with DSDP; somebody else from Symbian to take over
- Fix NLS issues AI Javier
- bug 212382 ftpListingParser initCommands AI Javier
- Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0
- DaveD
- bug 217894 Subsystem Configuration Families - not for M6 - AI All comment on the bug
- bug 189274 Import/export connections internal but TBD for M6
- DaveM: -
- bug 222404 Associate property sets with RSE objects and keep those associated in the event of a rename or move - an interesting feature in exchange for events - DaveD: Looks interesting but need to look at closely; Martin - should do Events suggestion for now; maybe could use an adapter factory for data payload, but need more investigation
- EFS and encodings - No response from platform - off our radar for now
- Kevin: -
- Xuan: - Will only have time for PropertyFileAdapter stuff: Property adapters for User actions -- will need some NLS changes
- Compile Commands Problem: Key in property sets is case insensitive in hashmap
- IPZilla: Getting only notifications for WinCE - Martin: Commons Net 1.5 not yet filed, JSch-0.1.37 is approved and in Platform M6
- Martin: - bug 215301 New project plan format -- Need to put Project Plan on the Web; AI Martin written ramp-down plan; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
- Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and promote.sh
- JSch-0.1.37 done in Platform M6, Commons.Net 1.5.0 not yet released - AI Martin create placeholder CQ
- Next tasks - Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters; some exceptions observed by Uwe (Wind River) in our nightly wheels
- bug 221190 EFS getChild() with relative path - perhaps need to check whether our impl still works properly
- Uwe: -
- Rupen: - Merging multi-copy & rename
- Michael: -
- Questions
Vacation, Away
- Martin in SFO Apr 14-18 for ESC and PluginFest
- DaveD probably taking some time off
Action Items
- Last Meeting Action Items
- Everyone: Review bug 217894 subsystem configuration families
- Rupen: Merge bug 210682 multi-copy patch
- DaveD: Finish profile import/export; Update bug 221211 IFileService multi-commands Javadoc
- DaveM: NLS fixes in dstore.security; contact IBM teams for bug 220892 new dstore features, and bug 220379 DStoreFileService API; apply Rupen's patch; think about bug 216252 SystemMessages global vs. local message ID; create a new "Future" bug for dstore protocol handshake, cloned from bug 220892
- Xuan: Finish PropertyFileAdapter stuff; Use Kevin's Properties for Unit Tests
- Kevin: Website Updates
- Martin: New Project Plan; Ganymede Rampdown Plan; Commons Net Placeholder CQ; UI/Non-UI Splitting; finish new releng; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests
- Javier: NLS fixes in discovery and FTP; bug 212382 ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
- Michael: Terminal improvements
Next Meeting
- Next BugDay/March_2008 on Mar 28
- Monthly DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 2-Apr-2008 at 9am PST / 1600 UTC
- DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 9-Apr-2008 (2 weeks) at 1500 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1000 Rochester / 1100 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg -- take care of DST differences!