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* '''Skype Call Quality'''
 
* '''Skype Call Quality'''
 
** Better redial if quality problems
 
** Better redial if quality problems
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* '''EclipseCon 2008 Report'''
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** Best EclipseCon Ever :-)
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** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=38 TM Tutorial] - focus on 50% TCF and 50% rse; about 30 people, very positive feedback
 +
** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=39 TM Short Talk] - may re-use slides
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** [http://tmober.blogspot.com/2008/03/target-communication-framework-tcf.html Blog Post about TCF]
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** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=323 CDT Remote / RDT] call for participation, being discussed on cdt-dev list for now
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** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=582 DSDP BOF] - towards two "packages" of DSDP projects for mobile Java / device development, likely with P2 installer but on SourceForge due to needing GPL for cross-compilers / emulators
 +
** Big Press hype about Microsoft envolvement in Eclipse but rather [http://douggaff.blogspot.com/2008/03/eclipsecon-08-we-barely-knew-ye.html disappointing keynote] by Sam Ramji - no commitment yet by MS but wants to help out in SWT-WPF port and Higgins-Cardspace
 +
** E4: IBM/RAP want to webalize SWT, which may be a good thing in terms of architecture but is not the whole story: need to collect requirements from all the community in a suitable forum, and a face-to-face kickoff meeting
 +
*** In general, it looks like the community is dozing a little wrt Platform - no exciting new talks, no exciting new features but much more breadth of community. Also, OSGi is gaining even more momentum, new Eclipse RT (Runtime) toplevel project started
 +
** Played with [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=117 DTP / SQL Query Builder], [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=173 BIRT Charting]
 +
** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=272 Eclipse Command Language (ECL)] looked very interesting
 +
** Automated UI testing: [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=440 RCP Robot and FIT] was extremely hot - FIT tables in Excel (idea by Ward Cunningham) together with [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=238 Fixtures maintained by the developer] and [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=254 SWT Bot] for the actual test execution
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** [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=213 RTSC] and [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2008/?page=sub/&id=37 NAB] were excellent talks from DSDP
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** Had some discussions with Scott Lewis about [http://www.eclipse.org/ecf ECF] especially comparing against TCF and integrating into RSE: we should really do an RSE ECF file provider, they got the browsing APIs now
 
* '''M6 Focus'''
 
* '''M6 Focus'''
** '''Focus on finalizing API Changes for M6''' - Please review your bugs and check "target milestone" assignment. If API might be involved, assign to M6.
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** M6 is Apr 07 -- Testing Apr 1 or 2 -- Should do better than last time
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** Currently [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&target_milestone=3.0+M6&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&cmdtype=doit 39 bugs assigned M6] - especially DaveD - what can we really get done
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** NLS Fixes - few still missing, see [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg01723.html mailing list] - '''must have for M6'''
 
** '''Unit Tests''' - next priority after API
 
** '''Unit Tests''' - next priority after API
*** Need all unit tests enabled in nightly builds - need to use Uwe's Connection Property classes, see '''FTPFileSubsystemTestCase''' - '''AI Xuan, DaveM''' Use Properties for unit tests
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** Will migrate to new Releng after M6 (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc... too risky for now, focus on API)
* '''Hi-pri-bugs; apply patches'''
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** Adopting [[Api Tooling]]: Martin tried it out for some plugins - renaming (CANCELLED->CANCELED) is not very well reflected - martin filed {{Bug|222905}} - but we might want to rev down org.eclipse.rse.services from 3.0.0 back to 2.1.0
** Community Contributions from
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* '''Hi-pri-bugs; community contributions; apply patches'''
*** {{Bug|195402}} Johnson Ma: tgz archive handler ('''AI Johnson''' cleanup required)
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** {{Bug|210682}} Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog
*** {{Bug|218880}} Johnson Ma: ssh keepalive UI ('''AI Johnson''' cleanup required)
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** {{Bug|214887}} WinCE Subsystem - pending EMO Review
*** {{Bug|210682}} Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog
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** {{Bug|170910}} RSE Terminal Integration - Montavista Contribution pending this friday for API change to allow Streams API for IHostShell
** Bug Discussions
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** See the [http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/development/bug_process.php Bug Process Page] for a query for open bugs with patches attached
*** {{bug|190231}} subsystem UI -> Core: '''AI DaveD''' help with Wizard Pages and the way they are registered; make them adaptable somehow
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* '''Bug Discussions'''
*** {{Bug|220892}} reving down dstore protocol version - '''AI DaveM''' add a Handler Hook for registering handshake handler / error handler
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** {{bug|190231}} subsystem UI -> Core: '''AI DaveD''' help with Wizard Pages and the way they are registered; make them adaptable somehow
*** {{Bug|197167}} Callback to know when RSE model is fully restored - '''AI DaveD''' Local Connection Preference: move from UI to Core; JobChangeListener join; stampfiles - looks good
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** {{Bug|220892}} reving down dstore protocol version - '''AI DaveM''' implement version handshake as discussed - this is API!
*** {{Bug|221211}} MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. '''AI DaveD/DaveM''' update Javadocs when it's clear what we want
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*** (done: Handler Hook for registering handshake handler / error handler; may need new API for protocol handshake)
*** {{Bug|220379}} Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter, '''AI Martin''' comment on bug (object reference idea)
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** {{Bug|221211}} MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. '''AI DaveD/DaveM''' update Javadocs when it's clear what we want
*** {{Bug|220547}} SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local
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** {{Bug|220379}} Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter, '''AI Martin''' comment on bug (object reference idea)
*** {{bug|220995}} Xuan: Can we remove some interface provided by SystemSelectRemoteFileAction and  
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** {{Bug|220547}} SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local
SystemSelectRemoteFolderAction
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** {{bug|220995}} Xuan: Can we remove some interface provided by SystemSelectRemoteFileAction and SystemSelectRemoteFolderAction
*** {{bug|218947}} IRemotePath idea - '''AI DaveM''' create new defect for the API change
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** {{bug|218947}} IRemotePath idea - '''AI DaveM''' create new defect for the API change
**** Martin: Migration could be stepwise, if we are able to convert String into IRemotePath and vice versa
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*** DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service?
**** DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service?
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*** Looks like we won't get to this for M6
  
 
* '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto
 
* '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto
 
** Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not? - DaveD Mylyn is nice for bug review!
 
** Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not? - DaveD Mylyn is nice for bug review!
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** {{Bug|215301}} New Standard Project Plan Format
 
* TM Website
 
* TM Website
 
** '''AI Kevin''' follow up on his website proposals
 
** '''AI Kevin''' follow up on his website proposals
 
* Bug Fixing - '''Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan'''
 
* Bug Fixing - '''Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan'''
** Since our [[DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007]] it's now 27 weeks / 4 milestones, so each committer is due 54 fixes / 9 unittests
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** Since our [[DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007]] it's now 27 weeks / 5 milestones, so each committer is due 54 fixes / 10 unittests
 
** Current situation is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=2007-09-17&chfieldto=Now&chfield=bug_status&chfieldvalue=RESOLVED&format=table&action=wrap&negate0=1&field0-0-0=resolution&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=DUPLICATE this bugzilla report]
 
** Current situation is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=2007-09-17&chfieldto=Now&chfield=bug_status&chfieldvalue=RESOLVED&format=table&action=wrap&negate0=1&field0-0-0=resolution&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=DUPLICATE this bugzilla report]
 
** Unittests: when adding a test, please add the tag '''//-test-author:YourName''' in front of it
 
** Unittests: when adding a test, please add the tag '''//-test-author:YourName''' in front of it
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** Import/export connections rather than profiles - extend the persistence provider for import/export. Use one format for export only in the UI,, perhaps allow multiple providers for import (for migration), perhaps allow multiple kinds of export via API.
 
** Import/export connections rather than profiles - extend the persistence provider for import/export. Use one format for export only in the UI,, perhaps allow multiple providers for import (for migration), perhaps allow multiple kinds of export via API.
 
* '''DaveM:''' -  
 
* '''DaveM:''' -  
** EFS and encodings - No response from platform - suggstion alternative EFS provider, '''always convert into UTF-8''', continue discussion on the defect  
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** EFS and encodings - No response from platform - suggstion alternative EFS provider, continue discussion on the defect  
* '''Kevin:''' -  
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* '''Kevin:''' - {{Bug|221190}} EFS getChild() with relative path - perhaps need to check whether our impl still works properly
 
* '''Xuan:''' - Will mostly be busy with IBM / Migration work; add useractions to PII mapfile
 
* '''Xuan:''' - Will mostly be busy with IBM / Migration work; add useractions to PII mapfile
 
* '''Martin:''' - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
 
* '''Martin:''' - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
 
** Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and promote.sh
 
** Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and promote.sh
 
** JSch-0.1.37, Commons.Net 1.5.0
 
** JSch-0.1.37, Commons.Net 1.5.0
** Next tasks - EclipseCon presentation; Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters
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** Next tasks - Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters; some exceptions observed by Uwe (Wind River) in our nightly wheels
 
* '''Uwe:''' -  
 
* '''Uwe:''' -  
 
* '''Rupen:''' -  
 
* '''Rupen:''' -  
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* '''Xuan''': Use Properties for Unit Tests
 
* '''Xuan''': Use Properties for Unit Tests
 
* '''Kevin''': Website Updates
 
* '''Kevin''': Website Updates
* '''Martin''': EclipseCon; finish new releng; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Newsgroup
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* '''Martin''': finish new releng; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests
 
* '''Javier''': {{bug|212382}} ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=204138#c20 CVS] -- see also [[CVS_Development#Testing]]
 
* '''Javier''': {{bug|212382}} ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=204138#c20 CVS] -- see also [[CVS_Development#Testing]]
 
* '''Michael''': Terminal improvements
 
* '''Michael''': Terminal improvements

Revision as of 09:07, 26 March 2008

Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Wednesday Mar 26, 2008 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1100 Rochester / 1200 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg
Dial-in: Martin to call everybody by Skype

Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #

MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.

Invited Attendees

  • IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber, Michael Scharf, Eugene Tarassov
  • Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus

This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).

Agenda

Current Work

  • Skype Call Quality
    • Better redial if quality problems
  • EclipseCon 2008 Report
    • Best EclipseCon Ever :-)
    • TM Tutorial - focus on 50% TCF and 50% rse; about 30 people, very positive feedback
    • TM Short Talk - may re-use slides
    • Blog Post about TCF
    • CDT Remote / RDT call for participation, being discussed on cdt-dev list for now
    • DSDP BOF - towards two "packages" of DSDP projects for mobile Java / device development, likely with P2 installer but on SourceForge due to needing GPL for cross-compilers / emulators
    • Big Press hype about Microsoft envolvement in Eclipse but rather disappointing keynote by Sam Ramji - no commitment yet by MS but wants to help out in SWT-WPF port and Higgins-Cardspace
    • E4: IBM/RAP want to webalize SWT, which may be a good thing in terms of architecture but is not the whole story: need to collect requirements from all the community in a suitable forum, and a face-to-face kickoff meeting
      • In general, it looks like the community is dozing a little wrt Platform - no exciting new talks, no exciting new features but much more breadth of community. Also, OSGi is gaining even more momentum, new Eclipse RT (Runtime) toplevel project started
    • Played with DTP / SQL Query Builder, BIRT Charting
    • Eclipse Command Language (ECL) looked very interesting
    • Automated UI testing: RCP Robot and FIT was extremely hot - FIT tables in Excel (idea by Ward Cunningham) together with Fixtures maintained by the developer and SWT Bot for the actual test execution
    • RTSC and NAB were excellent talks from DSDP
    • Had some discussions with Scott Lewis about ECF especially comparing against TCF and integrating into RSE: we should really do an RSE ECF file provider, they got the browsing APIs now
  • M6 Focus
    • M6 is Apr 07 -- Testing Apr 1 or 2 -- Should do better than last time
    • Currently 39 bugs assigned M6 - especially DaveD - what can we really get done
    • NLS Fixes - few still missing, see mailing list - must have for M6
    • Unit Tests - next priority after API
    • Will migrate to new Releng after M6 (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc... too risky for now, focus on API)
    • Adopting Api Tooling: Martin tried it out for some plugins - renaming (CANCELLED->CANCELED) is not very well reflected - martin filed bug 222905 - but we might want to rev down org.eclipse.rse.services from 3.0.0 back to 2.1.0
  • Hi-pri-bugs; community contributions; apply patches
    • bug 210682 Rupen's multi-file copy/move/overwrite dialog
    • bug 214887 WinCE Subsystem - pending EMO Review
    • bug 170910 RSE Terminal Integration - Montavista Contribution pending this friday for API change to allow Streams API for IHostShell
    • See the Bug Process Page for a query for open bugs with patches attached
  • Bug Discussions
    • bug 190231 subsystem UI -> Core: AI DaveD help with Wizard Pages and the way they are registered; make them adaptable somehow
    • bug 220892 reving down dstore protocol version - AI DaveM implement version handshake as discussed - this is API!
      • (done: Handler Hook for registering handshake handler / error handler; may need new API for protocol handshake)
    • bug 221211 MultiStatus for IFileService batch operations - exception on first failure for modifying operations. No exceptions/multistatus on non-modifying operations. AI DaveD/DaveM update Javadocs when it's clear what we want
    • bug 220379 Make DStoreFileService API - encodingHandler - wait on reporter, AI Martin comment on bug (object reference idea)
    • bug 220547 SimpleSystemMessage message ID - globally unique message id vs. plugin-local status - Dialog Title: MessageID if globally unique / generic title based on severity if plugin-local
    • bug 220995 Xuan: Can we remove some interface provided by SystemSelectRemoteFileAction and SystemSelectRemoteFolderAction
    • bug 218947 IRemotePath idea - AI DaveM create new defect for the API change
      • DaveM: Naming convention -- IHostPath instead of IRemotePath since located in the Service?
      • Looks like we won't get to this for M6
  • Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
    • Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not? - DaveD Mylyn is nice for bug review!
    • bug 215301 New Standard Project Plan Format
  • TM Website
    • AI Kevin follow up on his website proposals
  • Bug Fixing - Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
    • Since our DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007 it's now 27 weeks / 5 milestones, so each committer is due 54 fixes / 10 unittests
    • Current situation is on this bugzilla report
    • Unittests: when adding a test, please add the tag //-test-author:YourName in front of it
      • DaveM - 5
      • DaveD - 22
      • KevinD - 11
      • MartinO - 3
      • TobiasS - 3
      • UweS - 7
      • XuanC - 51
      • Total - 101
      • Javier - 0
  • Javier almost finished on Symbian assignment, will have some time for RSE but needs to talk to Manager
    • Martin updating Commons Net to 1.5.0
    • bug 212382 ftpListingParser initCommands
  • DaveD
    • bug 217894 Subsystem Configuration Families - subsystem category would be orthogonal to subsystem family -- family would be related to connector service -- change wizard pages from API into plugin.xml markup? AI All comment on the bug
    • Import/export connections rather than profiles - extend the persistence provider for import/export. Use one format for export only in the UI,, perhaps allow multiple providers for import (for migration), perhaps allow multiple kinds of export via API.
  • DaveM: -
    • EFS and encodings - No response from platform - suggstion alternative EFS provider, continue discussion on the defect
  • Kevin: - bug 221190 EFS getChild() with relative path - perhaps need to check whether our impl still works properly
  • Xuan: - Will mostly be busy with IBM / Migration work; add useractions to PII mapfile
  • Martin: - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
    • Searchcvs, Relnotes done; Little more work needed on web-build and promote.sh
    • JSch-0.1.37, Commons.Net 1.5.0
    • Next tasks - Move SubsystemConfiguration implementation into non-UI; Lazy loading of SubsystemConfiguration (use the Proxy more); Lazy loading of UI adapters; some exceptions observed by Uwe (Wind River) in our nightly wheels
  • Uwe: -
  • Rupen: -
  • Michael: -
  • Questions

Vacation, Away

Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • Everyone: Review bug 216252 SystemMessages refactoring
  • DaveD:
  • DaveM: Use Properties for Unit Tests
  • Xuan: Use Properties for Unit Tests
  • Kevin: Website Updates
  • Martin: finish new releng; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests
  • Javier: bug 212382 ftp initCommands; add unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
  • Michael: Terminal improvements

Next Meeting