DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 23-Jan-2008

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Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Wednesday Jan 23, 2007 at 1600 UTC / 1100 Eastern
Dial-in: Martin to call everybody by Skype

Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #

MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.

Contents

Attendees

  • IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber
  • Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus

Agenda

Current Work

  • Skype Call Quality
  • Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
    • Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not?
  • Eugene new committer
  • TM Website
    • bug 216197 Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes
    • Kevin: Would like to change the TM website to be more like the Mylyn/RAP sites. Custom Nav bar, front page showing the product instead of a mission statement, etc. Is it okay to make changes in a new folder tm-new? Then can push it to the main site if everyone likes the changes?
    • Martin: Would like to discuss the intended changes before going ahead. But sure you can create any new pages that are not linked from the main page at any time.
    • Martin: Would like to get more dynamic information onto the homepage in an automated manner e.g. automated release notes with milestones
  • Bug Fixing - Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
  • Javier busy until end of Feb; hoping to get time for hi-pri bugs (but not new features)
  • DaveD's bugs are largely interrelated, currently working on bug 197036 - some impacts on teamview, nopefully get done today or tomorrow
    • RDC people want to import/export connections rather than profiles - want to see filters self-contained in connection. Might want to solve this by treating connection as a profile with a single connection, and merge it into a different profile. Or store the stuff under the connection itself.
    • This is maybe related to bug 160403 Filters should be connection-private by default
  • DaveM: -
    • bug 209703 - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page?
    • EFS and encodings - DaveM to put Martin on CC of the bug(s) he filed against Platform
    • documenting plugin_customization.ini -- does it work out of the box? Problems in self-hosting scenario
    • (TPF) product teams extended SystemView in the past, which is now internal: provide a public Composite that wraps SystemView and that they can extend? E.g. they provided workspace objects along remote objects. AI file bugzilla items for concrete use cases and discuss them there.
    • bug 207180 - Remove "Encoding" control from the Property Pages. Martin: Encodings are consumed by subsystems. Might want a "usesEncodings()" API in the subsystem, and if no subsystem is interested it can be removed. AI Martin comment on the bug
    • bug 209593 - UNIX permissions and ownership
      • The separation between subsystem layer and service layer gets more and more polluted as concepts from the service layer are introduced into the subsystem layer... (e.g. IHostFilePermissions; constants from IFileService). Should these be kept separate in order to support an IRemoteFileSubsystem that does not need services?
        • Subsystem should be able to work without an exchangeable Service, but may re-use constructs from the service layer. Maybe want to add getFilePermissions() on the subsystem layer? - It's an exercise of how to extend subsystem without actually modifying it. It was good to see how permission service could be added in a backward compatible way without changing core APIs; but it's making the subsystem layer a little inconsistent. The alternative is doing everything twice (on both layers) ... better to live with the "pollution".
      • Martin finds it odd that IRemoteFile adapts to IFilePermissionsService... shouldn't the IFileService adapt to it? -
      • Martin thinks that IHostFile objects should be immutable in order to make caching and threading safer - can we get rid of IHostFile#renameTo() ? Only the actual (Service) implementation should be able to create / change IHostFile objects. How to deal with "pending" permissions? Use a queue to avoid duplicate queries in dstore?
        • unlike permissions, "name" identifies a file via getAbsoluteName() -- that led to problems in the past
        • boils down to the question how reiably we think we understand the remote system
        • similar to what we had with setReadOnly() -- need to know when we need to refresh
        • Martin: The SERVICE should decide whether it wants to re-query or use the (locally modified) object
        • Dave: But if it's delegated to the service, we need to make the UI aware of the changes
  • Kevin: - n/a today
  • Xuan: - Making archive operations cancelable - mostly finished;
    • Some more work with property pages
    • Some search related issues (on dstore)
    • Performance issues not encountered any more, will verify, going to close
      • Martin seen performance problems with dangling symbolic links - AI Martin completed: bug 191374 seems to be resolved now
    • Xuan can look at FTP hidden files preferences issue
    • First PII drop on Feb 25th, Deadline until end of M6; try to minimize any wholesale changes after Feb.25th
    • Xuan to write testcases for NL testing
  • Martin: - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
  • Uwe: - n/a today
  • Rupen: - bug 210682 - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy - dialog ready, jpeg posted on the bug
  • Michael: - n/a today
  • Questions

Vacation, Away

  • DaveD friday off; a week out of Rochester middle of Feb
  • Feb.18 is Family Day in Ontario
  • Martin at a Conference on Jan.28/29th


Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • Everyone: review target milestone assignments of bugs (3.0); Review Rupen's Multi-file-conflict dialog proposal
  • Kevin: propose changes to TM homepage for discussion
  • DaveM: [done] put Martin on CC of EFS/Encodign Platform bug(s); Create (or make TPF people create) bugs with use cases for extending SystemView or not
  • Martin: (done) Comment on bug 207180 "Encoding Control in Host Property Page"; (done) Add bug 191374number regarding performance issues with dangling symlinks
  • Old Action Items from previous meetings:
    • DaveD: Decide whether Mac should be "primary" or "secondary" supported platform.
    • Martin: Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup
    • Javier: document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing

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