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== Attendees == | == Attendees == | ||
| − | * IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight | + | * IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian |
| − | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber | + | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber |
* Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus | * Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus | ||
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== Agenda == | == Agenda == | ||
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* '''Skype Call Quality''' | * '''Skype Call Quality''' | ||
* '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto | * '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto | ||
| − | ** | + | ** Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not? |
| − | + | * Eugene new committer | |
* TM Website | * TM Website | ||
** {{Bug|216197}} Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes | ** {{Bug|216197}} Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes | ||
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** Since our [[DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007]] it's now 14 weeks / 3 milestones, so each committer is due 28 fixes / 6 unittests | ** Since our [[DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007]] it's now 14 weeks / 3 milestones, so each committer is due 28 fixes / 6 unittests | ||
** Current situation is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=2007-09-17&chfieldto=Now&chfield=bug_status&chfieldvalue=RESOLVED&format=table&action=wrap this bugzilla report] | ** Current situation is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=2007-09-17&chfieldto=Now&chfield=bug_status&chfieldvalue=RESOLVED&format=table&action=wrap this bugzilla report] | ||
| − | ** Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin | + | ** Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin working on Releng scripts next |
| − | * '''DaveD | + | * '''Javier''' busy until end of Feb; hoping to get time for hi-pri bugs (but not new features) |
| − | + | * '''DaveD's''' bugs are largely interrelated, currently working on {{Bug|197036}} - some impacts on teamview, nopefully get done today or tomorrow | |
| − | + | ** RDC people want to import/export connections rather than profiles - want to see filters self-contained in connection. Might want to solve this by treating connection as a profile with a single connection, and merge it into a different profile. Or store the stuff under the connection itself. | |
| + | ** This is maybe related to {{Bug|160403}} Filters should be connection-private by default | ||
* '''DaveM:''' - | * '''DaveM:''' - | ||
** {{Bug|209703}} - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page? | ** {{Bug|209703}} - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page? | ||
| − | * ''' | + | ** EFS and encodings - DaveM to put Martin on CC of the bug(s) he filed against Platform |
| − | * ''' | + | ** documenting plugin_customization.ini -- does it work out of the box? Problems in self-hosting scenario |
| − | * ''' | + | ** (TPF) product teams extended SystemView in the past, which is now internal: provide a public Composite that wraps SystemView and that they can extend? E.g. they provided workspace objects along remote objects. AI file bugzilla items for concrete use cases and discuss them there. |
| + | ** {{Bug|207180}} - Remove "Encoding" control from the Property Pages. Martin: Encodings are consumed by subsystems. Might want a "usesEncodings()" API in the subsystem, and if no subsystem is interested it can be removed. '''AI Martin''' comment on the bug | ||
| + | ** {{Bug|209593}} - UNIX permissions and ownership | ||
| + | *** The separation between subsystem layer and service layer gets more and more polluted as concepts from the service layer are introduced into the subsystem layer... (e.g. IHostFilePermissions; constants from IFileService). Should these be kept separate in order to support an IRemoteFileSubsystem that does not need services? | ||
| + | **** Subsystem should be able to work without an exchangeable Service, but may re-use constructs from the service layer. Maybe want to add getFilePermissions() on the subsystem layer? - It's an exercise of how to extend subsystem without actually modifying it. It was good to see how permission service could be added in a backward compatible way without changing core APIs; but it's making the subsystem layer a little inconsistent. The alternative is doing everything twice (on both layers) ... better to live with the "pollution". | ||
| + | *** Martin finds it odd that IRemoteFile adapts to IFilePermissionsService... shouldn't the IFileService adapt to it? - | ||
| + | *** Martin thinks that IHostFile objects should be immutable in order to make caching and threading safer - can we get rid of IHostFile#renameTo() ? Only the actual (Service) implementation should be able to create / change IHostFile objects. How to deal with "pending" permissions? Use a queue to avoid duplicate queries in dstore? | ||
| + | **** unlike permissions, "name" identifies a file via getAbsoluteName() -- that led to problems in the past | ||
| + | **** boils down to the question how reiably we think we understand the remote system | ||
| + | **** similar to what we had with setReadOnly() -- need to know when we need to refresh | ||
| + | **** Martin: The SERVICE should decide whether it wants to re-query or use the (locally modified) object | ||
| + | **** Dave: But if it's delegated to the service, we need to make the UI aware of the changes | ||
| + | * '''Kevin:''' - n/a today | ||
| + | * '''Xuan:''' - Making archive operations cancelable - mostly finished; | ||
| + | ** Some more work with property pages | ||
| + | ** Some search related issues (on dstore) | ||
| + | ** Performance issues not encountered any more, will verify, going to close | ||
| + | *** Martin seen performance problems with dangling symbolic links - '''AI Martin completed:''' {{Bug|191374}} seems to be resolved now | ||
| + | ** Xuan can look at FTP hidden files preferences issue | ||
| + | ** '''First PII drop on Feb 25th, Deadline until end of M6'''; try to minimize any wholesale changes after Feb.25th | ||
| + | ** Xuan to write testcases for NL testing | ||
* '''Martin:''' - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night | * '''Martin:''' - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night | ||
| − | * '''Uwe:''' - | + | * '''Uwe:''' - n/a today |
| − | * '''Rupen:''' - {{Bug|210682}} - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy | + | * '''Rupen:''' - {{Bug|210682}} - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy - dialog ready, jpeg posted on the bug |
| − | * '''Michael:''' - | + | * '''Michael:''' - n/a today |
* '''Questions''' | * '''Questions''' | ||
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== Vacation, Away == | == Vacation, Away == | ||
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| + | * DaveD friday off; a week out of Rochester middle of Feb | ||
| + | * Feb.18 is Family Day in Ontario | ||
| + | * Martin at a Conference on Jan.28/29th | ||
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== Action Items == | == Action Items == | ||
* [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items | * [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items | ||
| − | * ''' | + | * '''Everyone''': review target milestone assignments of bugs (3.0); Review Rupen's Multi-file-conflict dialog proposal |
| − | * '''DaveM''': | + | * '''Kevin''': propose changes to TM homepage for discussion |
| − | * | + | * '''DaveM''': [done] put Martin on CC of EFS/Encodign Platform bug(s); Create (or make TPF people create) bugs with use cases for extending SystemView or not |
| − | * ''' | + | * '''Martin''': (done) Comment on {{Bug|207180}} "Encoding Control in Host Property Page"; (done) Add {{Bug|191374}}number regarding performance issues with dangling symlinks |
| − | * '''Martin''': | + | |
| − | * '''Javier''': | + | * Old Action Items from previous meetings: |
| − | + | ** '''DaveD''': Decide whether Mac should be "primary" or "secondary" supported platform. | |
| + | ** '''Martin''': Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup | ||
| + | ** '''Javier''': document the Symbian internal test setup similar to [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=204138#c20 CVS] -- see also [[CVS_Development#Testing]] | ||
== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
Latest revision as of 18:28, 23 January 2008
| Meeting Title: | TM Committer Phone Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Wednesday Jan 23, 2007 at 1600 UTC / 1100 Eastern |
| Dial-in: | Martin to call everybody by Skype |
Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #
MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.
Attendees
- IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
- Wind River - Martin Oberhuber
- Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus
Agenda
- Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 9-Jan-2008
- Prev meeting: DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007
Current Work
- Skype Call Quality
- Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
- Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not?
- Eugene new committer
- TM Website
- bug 216197 Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes
- Kevin: Would like to change the TM website to be more like the Mylyn/RAP sites. Custom Nav bar, front page showing the product instead of a mission statement, etc. Is it okay to make changes in a new folder tm-new? Then can push it to the main site if everyone likes the changes?
- Martin: Would like to discuss the intended changes before going ahead. But sure you can create any new pages that are not linked from the main page at any time.
- Martin: Would like to get more dynamic information onto the homepage in an automated manner e.g. automated release notes with milestones
- Bug Fixing - Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
- Since our DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007 it's now 14 weeks / 3 milestones, so each committer is due 28 fixes / 6 unittests
- Current situation is on this bugzilla report
- Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin working on Releng scripts next
- Javier busy until end of Feb; hoping to get time for hi-pri bugs (but not new features)
- DaveD's bugs are largely interrelated, currently working on bug 197036 - some impacts on teamview, nopefully get done today or tomorrow
- RDC people want to import/export connections rather than profiles - want to see filters self-contained in connection. Might want to solve this by treating connection as a profile with a single connection, and merge it into a different profile. Or store the stuff under the connection itself.
- This is maybe related to bug 160403 Filters should be connection-private by default
- DaveM: -
- bug 209703 - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page?
- EFS and encodings - DaveM to put Martin on CC of the bug(s) he filed against Platform
- documenting plugin_customization.ini -- does it work out of the box? Problems in self-hosting scenario
- (TPF) product teams extended SystemView in the past, which is now internal: provide a public Composite that wraps SystemView and that they can extend? E.g. they provided workspace objects along remote objects. AI file bugzilla items for concrete use cases and discuss them there.
- bug 207180 - Remove "Encoding" control from the Property Pages. Martin: Encodings are consumed by subsystems. Might want a "usesEncodings()" API in the subsystem, and if no subsystem is interested it can be removed. AI Martin comment on the bug
- bug 209593 - UNIX permissions and ownership
- The separation between subsystem layer and service layer gets more and more polluted as concepts from the service layer are introduced into the subsystem layer... (e.g. IHostFilePermissions; constants from IFileService). Should these be kept separate in order to support an IRemoteFileSubsystem that does not need services?
- Subsystem should be able to work without an exchangeable Service, but may re-use constructs from the service layer. Maybe want to add getFilePermissions() on the subsystem layer? - It's an exercise of how to extend subsystem without actually modifying it. It was good to see how permission service could be added in a backward compatible way without changing core APIs; but it's making the subsystem layer a little inconsistent. The alternative is doing everything twice (on both layers) ... better to live with the "pollution".
- Martin finds it odd that IRemoteFile adapts to IFilePermissionsService... shouldn't the IFileService adapt to it? -
- Martin thinks that IHostFile objects should be immutable in order to make caching and threading safer - can we get rid of IHostFile#renameTo() ? Only the actual (Service) implementation should be able to create / change IHostFile objects. How to deal with "pending" permissions? Use a queue to avoid duplicate queries in dstore?
- unlike permissions, "name" identifies a file via getAbsoluteName() -- that led to problems in the past
- boils down to the question how reiably we think we understand the remote system
- similar to what we had with setReadOnly() -- need to know when we need to refresh
- Martin: The SERVICE should decide whether it wants to re-query or use the (locally modified) object
- Dave: But if it's delegated to the service, we need to make the UI aware of the changes
- The separation between subsystem layer and service layer gets more and more polluted as concepts from the service layer are introduced into the subsystem layer... (e.g. IHostFilePermissions; constants from IFileService). Should these be kept separate in order to support an IRemoteFileSubsystem that does not need services?
- Kevin: - n/a today
- Xuan: - Making archive operations cancelable - mostly finished;
- Some more work with property pages
- Some search related issues (on dstore)
- Performance issues not encountered any more, will verify, going to close
- Martin seen performance problems with dangling symbolic links - AI Martin completed: bug 191374 seems to be resolved now
- Xuan can look at FTP hidden files preferences issue
- First PII drop on Feb 25th, Deadline until end of M6; try to minimize any wholesale changes after Feb.25th
- Xuan to write testcases for NL testing
- Martin: - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
- Uwe: - n/a today
- Rupen: - bug 210682 - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy - dialog ready, jpeg posted on the bug
- Michael: - n/a today
- Questions
- Bugzilla:
Vacation, Away
- DaveD friday off; a week out of Rochester middle of Feb
- Feb.18 is Family Day in Ontario
- Martin at a Conference on Jan.28/29th
Action Items
- Last Meeting Action Items
- Everyone: review target milestone assignments of bugs (3.0); Review Rupen's Multi-file-conflict dialog proposal
- Kevin: propose changes to TM homepage for discussion
- DaveM: [done] put Martin on CC of EFS/Encodign Platform bug(s); Create (or make TPF people create) bugs with use cases for extending SystemView or not
- Martin: (done) Comment on bug 207180 "Encoding Control in Host Property Page"; (done) Add bug 191374number regarding performance issues with dangling symlinks
- Old Action Items from previous meetings:
- DaveD: Decide whether Mac should be "primary" or "secondary" supported platform.
- Martin: Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup
- Javier: document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
Next Meeting
- Monthly DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 6-Feb-2008 at 9am PST / 1700 UTC
- DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 6-Feb-2008 (2 weeks) at 1600 UTC