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== Attendees ==
 
== Attendees ==
* IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
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* IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
* Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber, Michael Scharf
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* Wind River - Martin Oberhuber
 
* Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus
 
* Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus
 
This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).
 
  
 
== Agenda ==
 
== Agenda ==
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* '''Skype Call Quality'''
 
* '''Skype Call Quality'''
 
* '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto
 
* '''Planning''' - '''AI Martin''' to write up what we discussed in Toronto
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** Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not?
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* Eugene new committer
 
* TM Website
 
* TM Website
 
** {{Bug|216197}} Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes
 
** {{Bug|216197}} Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes
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** Current situation is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=2007-09-17&chfieldto=Now&chfield=bug_status&chfieldvalue=RESOLVED&format=table&action=wrap this bugzilla report]
 
** Current situation is on [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&classification=DSDP&product=Target+Management&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=2007-09-17&chfieldto=Now&chfield=bug_status&chfieldvalue=RESOLVED&format=table&action=wrap this bugzilla report]
 
** Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin working on Releng scripts next
 
** Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin working on Releng scripts next
* '''DaveD:''' - {{Bug|160403}} Filters should be connection-private by default
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* '''Javier''' busy until end of Feb; hoping to get time for hi-pri bugs (but not new features)
** MacOS X as primary or secondary platform?
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* '''DaveD's''' bugs are largely interrelated, currently working on {{Bug|197036}} - some impacts on teamview, nopefully get done today or tomorrow
** Hi-Pri P2/Major bugs
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** RDC people want to import/export connections rather than profiles - want to see filters self-contained in connection. Might want to solve this by treating connection as a profile with a single connection, and merge it into a different profile. Or store the stuff under the connection itself.
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** This is maybe related to {{Bug|160403}} Filters should be connection-private by default
 
* '''DaveM:''' -  
 
* '''DaveM:''' -  
 
** {{Bug|209703}} - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page?
 
** {{Bug|209703}} - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page?
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** EFS and encodings - DaveM to put Martin on CC of the bug(s) he filed against Platform
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** documenting plugin_customization.ini -- does it work out of the box? Problems in self-hosting scenario
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** (TPF) product teams extended SystemView in the past, which is now internal: provide a public Composite that wraps SystemView and that they can extend? E.g. they provided workspace objects along remote objects. AI file bugzilla items for concrete use cases and discuss them there.
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** {{Bug|207180}} - Remove "Encoding" control from the Property Pages. Martin: Encodings are consumed by subsystems. Might want a "usesEncodings()" API in the subsystem, and if no subsystem is interested it can be removed. '''AI Martin''' comment on the bug
 
** {{Bug|209593}} - UNIX permissions and ownership
 
** {{Bug|209593}} - UNIX permissions and ownership
*** Martin finds it odd that IRemoteFile adapts to IFilePermissionsService... shouldn't the IFileService adapt to it?
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*** The separation between subsystem layer and service layer gets more and more polluted as concepts from the service layer are introduced into the subsystem layer... (e.g. IHostFilePermissions; constants from IFileService). Should these be kept separate in order to support an IRemoteFileSubsystem that does not need services?
*** The separation between subsystem layer and service layer gets more and more polluted as concepts from the service layer are introduced into the subsystem layer... (e.g. IHostFilePermissions; constants from IFielService). Should these be kept separate in order to support an IRemoteFileSubsystem that does not need services?
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**** Subsystem should be able to work without an exchangeable Service, but may re-use constructs from the service layer. Maybe want to add getFilePermissions() on the subsystem layer? - It's an exercise of how to extend subsystem without actually modifying it. It was good to see how permission service could be added in a backward compatible way without changing core APIs; but it's making the subsystem layer a little inconsistent. The alternative is doing everything twice (on both layers) ... better to live with the "pollution".
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*** Martin finds it odd that IRemoteFile adapts to IFilePermissionsService... shouldn't the IFileService adapt to it? -
 
*** Martin thinks that IHostFile objects should be immutable in order to make caching and threading safer - can we get rid of IHostFile#renameTo() ? Only the actual (Service) implementation should be able to create / change IHostFile objects. How to deal with "pending" permissions? Use a queue to avoid duplicate queries in dstore?
 
*** Martin thinks that IHostFile objects should be immutable in order to make caching and threading safer - can we get rid of IHostFile#renameTo() ? Only the actual (Service) implementation should be able to create / change IHostFile objects. How to deal with "pending" permissions? Use a queue to avoid duplicate queries in dstore?
* '''Kevin:''' - {{Bug|208778}} EFS#APPEND
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**** unlike permissions, "name" identifies a file via getAbsoluteName() -- that led to problems in the past
* '''Xuan:''' -  
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**** boils down to the question how reiably we think we understand the remote system
* '''Javier:''' -
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**** similar to what we had with setReadOnly() -- need to know when we need to refresh
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**** Martin: The SERVICE should decide whether it wants to re-query or use the (locally modified) object
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**** Dave: But if it's delegated to the service, we need to make the UI aware of the changes
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* '''Kevin:''' - n/a today
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* '''Xuan:''' - Making archive operations cancelable - mostly finished;
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** Some more work with property pages
 +
** Some search related issues (on dstore)
 +
** Performance issues not encountered any more, will verify, going to close
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*** Martin seen performance problems with dangling symbolic links - '''AI Martin completed:''' {{Bug|191374}} seems to be resolved now
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** Xuan can look at FTP hidden files preferences issue
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** '''First PII drop on Feb 25th, Deadline until end of M6'''; try to minimize any wholesale changes after Feb.25th
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** Xuan to write testcases for NL testing
 
* '''Martin:''' - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
 
* '''Martin:''' - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
* '''Uwe:''' -  
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* '''Uwe:''' - n/a today
* '''Rupen:''' - {{Bug|210682}} - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy
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* '''Rupen:''' - {{Bug|210682}} - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy - dialog ready, jpeg posted on the bug
* '''Michael:''' -  
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* '''Michael:''' - n/a today
 
* '''Questions'''
 
* '''Questions'''
  
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== Vacation, Away ==
 
== Vacation, Away ==
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* DaveD friday off; a week out of Rochester middle of Feb
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* Feb.18 is Family Day in Ontario
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* Martin at a Conference on Jan.28/29th
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== Action Items ==
 
== Action Items ==
 
* [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items
 
* [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items
* '''DaveD''': fixes, unit tests
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* '''Everyone''': review target milestone assignments of bugs (3.0); Review Rupen's Multi-file-conflict dialog proposal
* '''DaveM''': Ask committers about multi-property-dialog; fixes, unit tests; ask Violaine about {{Bug|209704}}  
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* '''Kevin''': propose changes to TM homepage for discussion
* '''Xuan''': fixes, unit tests
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* '''DaveM''': [done] put Martin on CC of EFS/Encodign Platform bug(s); Create (or make TPF people create) bugs with use cases for extending SystemView or not
* '''Kevin''': fixes, unit tests
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* '''Martin''': (done) Comment on {{Bug|207180}} "Encoding Control in Host Property Page"; (done) Add {{Bug|191374}}number regarding performance issues with dangling symlinks
* '''Martin''': Update bugzilla's; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup
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* '''Javier''': fixes, unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=204138#c20 CVS] -- see also [[CVS_Development#Testing]]
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* Old Action Items from previous meetings:
* '''Michael''': Terminal improvements
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** '''DaveD''': Decide whether Mac should be "primary" or "secondary" supported platform.
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** '''Martin''': Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup
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** '''Javier''': document the Symbian internal test setup similar to [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=204138#c20 CVS] -- see also [[CVS_Development#Testing]]
  
 
== Next Meeting ==
 
== Next Meeting ==

Latest revision as of 18:28, 23 January 2008

Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Wednesday Jan 23, 2007 at 1600 UTC / 1100 Eastern
Dial-in: Martin to call everybody by Skype

Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #

MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.

Attendees

  • IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber
  • Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus

Agenda

Current Work

  • Skype Call Quality
  • Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
    • Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not?
  • Eugene new committer
  • TM Website
    • bug 216197 Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes
    • Kevin: Would like to change the TM website to be more like the Mylyn/RAP sites. Custom Nav bar, front page showing the product instead of a mission statement, etc. Is it okay to make changes in a new folder tm-new? Then can push it to the main site if everyone likes the changes?
    • Martin: Would like to discuss the intended changes before going ahead. But sure you can create any new pages that are not linked from the main page at any time.
    • Martin: Would like to get more dynamic information onto the homepage in an automated manner e.g. automated release notes with milestones
  • Bug Fixing - Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
  • Javier busy until end of Feb; hoping to get time for hi-pri bugs (but not new features)
  • DaveD's bugs are largely interrelated, currently working on bug 197036 - some impacts on teamview, nopefully get done today or tomorrow
    • RDC people want to import/export connections rather than profiles - want to see filters self-contained in connection. Might want to solve this by treating connection as a profile with a single connection, and merge it into a different profile. Or store the stuff under the connection itself.
    • This is maybe related to bug 160403 Filters should be connection-private by default
  • DaveM: -
    • bug 209703 - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page?
    • EFS and encodings - DaveM to put Martin on CC of the bug(s) he filed against Platform
    • documenting plugin_customization.ini -- does it work out of the box? Problems in self-hosting scenario
    • (TPF) product teams extended SystemView in the past, which is now internal: provide a public Composite that wraps SystemView and that they can extend? E.g. they provided workspace objects along remote objects. AI file bugzilla items for concrete use cases and discuss them there.
    • bug 207180 - Remove "Encoding" control from the Property Pages. Martin: Encodings are consumed by subsystems. Might want a "usesEncodings()" API in the subsystem, and if no subsystem is interested it can be removed. AI Martin comment on the bug
    • bug 209593 - UNIX permissions and ownership
      • The separation between subsystem layer and service layer gets more and more polluted as concepts from the service layer are introduced into the subsystem layer... (e.g. IHostFilePermissions; constants from IFileService). Should these be kept separate in order to support an IRemoteFileSubsystem that does not need services?
        • Subsystem should be able to work without an exchangeable Service, but may re-use constructs from the service layer. Maybe want to add getFilePermissions() on the subsystem layer? - It's an exercise of how to extend subsystem without actually modifying it. It was good to see how permission service could be added in a backward compatible way without changing core APIs; but it's making the subsystem layer a little inconsistent. The alternative is doing everything twice (on both layers) ... better to live with the "pollution".
      • Martin finds it odd that IRemoteFile adapts to IFilePermissionsService... shouldn't the IFileService adapt to it? -
      • Martin thinks that IHostFile objects should be immutable in order to make caching and threading safer - can we get rid of IHostFile#renameTo() ? Only the actual (Service) implementation should be able to create / change IHostFile objects. How to deal with "pending" permissions? Use a queue to avoid duplicate queries in dstore?
        • unlike permissions, "name" identifies a file via getAbsoluteName() -- that led to problems in the past
        • boils down to the question how reiably we think we understand the remote system
        • similar to what we had with setReadOnly() -- need to know when we need to refresh
        • Martin: The SERVICE should decide whether it wants to re-query or use the (locally modified) object
        • Dave: But if it's delegated to the service, we need to make the UI aware of the changes
  • Kevin: - n/a today
  • Xuan: - Making archive operations cancelable - mostly finished;
    • Some more work with property pages
    • Some search related issues (on dstore)
    • Performance issues not encountered any more, will verify, going to close
      • Martin seen performance problems with dangling symbolic links - AI Martin completed: bug 191374 seems to be resolved now
    • Xuan can look at FTP hidden files preferences issue
    • First PII drop on Feb 25th, Deadline until end of M6; try to minimize any wholesale changes after Feb.25th
    • Xuan to write testcases for NL testing
  • Martin: - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
  • Uwe: - n/a today
  • Rupen: - bug 210682 - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy - dialog ready, jpeg posted on the bug
  • Michael: - n/a today
  • Questions

Vacation, Away

  • DaveD friday off; a week out of Rochester middle of Feb
  • Feb.18 is Family Day in Ontario
  • Martin at a Conference on Jan.28/29th


Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • Everyone: review target milestone assignments of bugs (3.0); Review Rupen's Multi-file-conflict dialog proposal
  • Kevin: propose changes to TM homepage for discussion
  • DaveM: [done] put Martin on CC of EFS/Encodign Platform bug(s); Create (or make TPF people create) bugs with use cases for extending SystemView or not
  • Martin: (done) Comment on bug 207180 "Encoding Control in Host Property Page"; (done) Add bug 191374number regarding performance issues with dangling symlinks
  • Old Action Items from previous meetings:
    • DaveD: Decide whether Mac should be "primary" or "secondary" supported platform.
    • Martin: Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup
    • Javier: document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing

Next Meeting