DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 23-Jan-2008

Meeting Title:	TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time:	Wednesday Jan 23, 2007 at 1600 UTC / 1100 Eastern
Dial-in:	Martin to call everybody by Skype

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MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.

Attendees

• IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
• Wind River - Martin Oberhuber
• Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus

Agenda

• Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 9-Jan-2008
• Prev meeting: DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007

Current Work

• Skype Call Quality
• Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
  • Think about assigning bugs to target milestones. What goes into 3.0 and what not?
• Eugene new committer
• TM Website
  • bug 216197 Bugs link on the side nav bar is broken by that latest changes
  • Kevin: Would like to change the TM website to be more like the Mylyn/RAP sites. Custom Nav bar, front page showing the product instead of a mission statement, etc. Is it okay to make changes in a new folder tm-new? Then can push it to the main site if everyone likes the changes?
  • Martin: Would like to discuss the intended changes before going ahead. But sure you can create any new pages that are not linked from the main page at any time.
  • Martin: Would like to get more dynamic information onto the homepage in an automated manner e.g. automated release notes with milestones
• Bug Fixing - Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
  • Since our DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007 it's now 14 weeks / 3 milestones, so each committer is due 28 fixes / 6 unittests
  • Current situation is on this bugzilla report
  • Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin working on Releng scripts next
• Javier busy until end of Feb; hoping to get time for hi-pri bugs (but not new features)
• DaveD's bugs are largely interrelated, currently working on bug 197036 - some impacts on teamview, nopefully get done today or tomorrow
  • RDC people want to import/export connections rather than profiles - want to see filters self-contained in connection. Might want to solve this by treating connection as a profile with a single connection, and merge it into a different profile. Or store the stuff under the connection itself.
  • This is maybe related to bug 160403 Filters should be connection-private by default
• DaveM: -
  • bug 209703 - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page?
  • EFS and encodings - DaveM to put Martin on CC of the bug(s) he filed against Platform
  • documenting plugin_customization.ini -- does it work out of the box? Problems in self-hosting scenario
  • (TPF) product teams extended SystemView in the past, which is now internal: provide a public Composite that wraps SystemView and that they can extend? E.g. they provided workspace objects along remote objects. AI file bugzilla items for concrete use cases and discuss them there.
  • bug 207180 - Remove "Encoding" control from the Property Pages. Martin: Encodings are consumed by subsystems. Might want a "usesEncodings()" API in the subsystem, and if no subsystem is interested it can be removed. AI Martin comment on the bug
  • bug 209593 - UNIX permissions and ownership
    • The separation between subsystem layer and service layer gets more and more polluted as concepts from the service layer are introduced into the subsystem layer... (e.g. IHostFilePermissions; constants from IFileService). Should these be kept separate in order to support an IRemoteFileSubsystem that does not need services?
      • Subsystem should be able to work without an exchangeable Service, but may re-use constructs from the service layer. Maybe want to add getFilePermissions() on the subsystem layer? - It's an exercise of how to extend subsystem without actually modifying it. It was good to see how permission service could be added in a backward compatible way without changing core APIs; but it's making the subsystem layer a little inconsistent. The alternative is doing everything twice (on both layers) ... better to live with the "pollution".
    • Martin finds it odd that IRemoteFile adapts to IFilePermissionsService... shouldn't the IFileService adapt to it? -
    • Martin thinks that IHostFile objects should be immutable in order to make caching and threading safer - can we get rid of IHostFile#renameTo() ? Only the actual (Service) implementation should be able to create / change IHostFile objects. How to deal with "pending" permissions? Use a queue to avoid duplicate queries in dstore?
      • unlike permissions, "name" identifies a file via getAbsoluteName() -- that led to problems in the past
      • boils down to the question how reiably we think we understand the remote system
      • similar to what we had with setReadOnly() -- need to know when we need to refresh
      • Martin: The SERVICE should decide whether it wants to re-query or use the (locally modified) object
      • Dave: But if it's delegated to the service, we need to make the UI aware of the changes
• Kevin: - n/a today
• Xuan: - Making archive operations cancelable - mostly finished;
  • Some more work with property pages
  • Some search related issues (on dstore)
  • Performance issues not encountered any more, will verify, going to close
    • Martin seen performance problems with dangling symbolic links - AI Martin completed: bug 191374 seems to be resolved now
  • Xuan can look at FTP hidden files preferences issue
  • First PII drop on Feb 25th, Deadline until end of M6; try to minimize any wholesale changes after Feb.25th
  • Xuan to write testcases for NL testing
• Martin: - Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
• Uwe: - n/a today
• Rupen: - bug 210682 - Multi-file conflict resolution on Copy - dialog ready, jpeg posted on the bug
• Michael: - n/a today
• Questions

• Bugzilla:
  • Severity Major, hi-priority

Vacation, Away

• DaveD friday off; a week out of Rochester middle of Feb
• Feb.18 is Family Day in Ontario
• Martin at a Conference on Jan.28/29th

Action Items

• Last Meeting Action Items
• Everyone: review target milestone assignments of bugs (3.0); Review Rupen's Multi-file-conflict dialog proposal
• Kevin: propose changes to TM homepage for discussion
• DaveM: [done] put Martin on CC of EFS/Encodign Platform bug(s); Create (or make TPF people create) bugs with use cases for extending SystemView or not
• Martin: (done) Comment on bug 207180 "Encoding Control in Host Property Page"; (done) Add bug 191374number regarding performance issues with dangling symlinks

• Old Action Items from previous meetings:
  • DaveD: Decide whether Mac should be "primary" or "secondary" supported platform.
  • Martin: Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup
  • Javier: document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing

Next Meeting

• Monthly DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 6-Feb-2008 at 9am PST / 1700 UTC
• DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 6-Feb-2008 (2 weeks) at 1600 UTC