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Skype dial-in: '''martin.oberhuber''', ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, michael_scharf, uwe.stieber, radoslav.gerganov, wrsfburton.<br/> | Skype dial-in: '''martin.oberhuber''', ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, michael_scharf, uwe.stieber, radoslav.gerganov, wrsfburton.<br/> | ||
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* IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian, Kevin Doyle | * IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian, Kevin Doyle | ||
| − | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber | + | * Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber |
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* ProSyst - Radoslav Gerganov | * ProSyst - Radoslav Gerganov | ||
| + | * '''Regrets this time''': Michael Scharf, Eugene Tarassov, Felix Burton, Javier Montalvo Orus | ||
| − | + | == Notes == | |
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* Last meeting: [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 30-Apr-2008]] | * Last meeting: [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 30-Apr-2008]] | ||
* '''Skype Call Quality''' | * '''Skype Call Quality''' | ||
| + | ** Skypecast quality was OK in the beginning with up to 4 participants, but became unbearable shortly later. Rado was unable to dial into the Skypecast (sitting behind an HTTP proxy). | ||
| + | ** Normal Skype conference worked very fine for all 8 participants this time, but 8 really is the limit here (9th person trying to accept invitation cannot join). | ||
=== '''New Stuff''' === | === '''New Stuff''' === | ||
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* Late API Change Requests | * Late API Change Requests | ||
** We really need to draw a finishing line now! | ** We really need to draw a finishing line now! | ||
| − | ** {{Bug|233068}} - [api][breaking] Remove tm.discovery.edit reexport of EMF | + | ** {{Bug|233068}} - [api][breaking] Remove tm.discovery.edit reexport of EMF -- '''accepted, Martin''' |
| − | ** {{Bug|231209}} - [api][breaking] IRemoteFile.getSystemConnection() should be changed to IRemoteFile.getHost() | + | ** {{Bug|231209}} - [api][breaking] IRemoteFile.getSystemConnection() should be changed to IRemoteFile.getHost() -- '''accepted, DaveM''' |
| − | ** {{Bug|230821}} - [api][breaking] IRemoteFileSubsystem is inconsistent with IFileService | + | ** {{Bug|230821}} - [api][breaking] IRemoteFileSubsystem is inconsistent with IFileService -- '''DaveD to investigate impact''', committers in favor of the change if doable. |
| − | ** {{Bug|230919}} - [api][breaking][files] IFileService.delete() should not return a boolean | + | ** {{Bug|230919}} - [api][breaking][files] IFileService.delete() should not return a boolean -- Rado: can handle all cases with exceptions, inconvenient to do both. Martin: boolean value would hardly ever be used. Rado: Not checking return values is bad practice. Martin: It boils down to the question whether it is an error to try and delete a file that's not there. -- '''accepted, Rado to make the change''' |
| − | ** {{Bug|212742}} - [api] Need a Utility to send commands and receive output without prompt | + | ** {{Bug|212742}} - [api] Need a Utility to send commands and receive output without prompt -- DaveM: We have RemoteCommandShellOperation with BEGIN-END-TAGS (but how reliable is it?) -- '''denied''', due to lack of time |
| + | ** Changes to go into RC2 | ||
=== '''Steps Towards Ganymede''' === | === '''Steps Towards Ganymede''' === | ||
* [[DSDP/TM/3.0 Ramp down Plan for Ganymede]] | * [[DSDP/TM/3.0 Ramp down Plan for Ganymede]] | ||
| − | ** We have RC1, so from now on EVERY checkin must be tracked in bugzilla, even simple cleanups (except documentation-only or unittest-only things) | + | ** We have RC1, so from now on EVERY checkin must be tracked in bugzilla, even simple cleanups (except documentation-only or unittest-only things). Also applies to "incubation". Rules do not apply to TCF |
** there MUST be a +1 vote on the bug (though the vote can happen after the fact) | ** there MUST be a +1 vote on the bug (though the vote can happen after the fact) | ||
** Please do NOT only ask me for reviewing, it doesn't scale | ** Please do NOT only ask me for reviewing, it doesn't scale | ||
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* '''Testing''' | * '''Testing''' | ||
** We should do another round of coordinated testing with TM 3.0 RC2 in order to find bugs important enough to get fixed | ** We should do another round of coordinated testing with TM 3.0 RC2 in order to find bugs important enough to get fixed | ||
| − | ** Who can organize it? | + | ** Who can organize it? - '''DaveD''' write up wiki page, '''Martin''' E-mail testers |
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* '''Bug Triage''' | * '''Bug Triage''' | ||
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*** Run Findbugs -- Update site on http://findbugs.cs.umd.edu/eclipse, Quickdocs by Rado in [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg01869.html tm-dev E-Mail] | *** Run Findbugs -- Update site on http://findbugs.cs.umd.edu/eclipse, Quickdocs by Rado in [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg01869.html tm-dev E-Mail] | ||
**** Question about filtering false positives posted on fb-discuss [https://mailman.cs.umd.edu/pipermail/findbugs-discuss/2008-May/002374.html link] | **** Question about filtering false positives posted on fb-discuss [https://mailman.cs.umd.edu/pipermail/findbugs-discuss/2008-May/002374.html link] | ||
| − | ** '''TM Website:''' revamp should really be complete for Ganymede! | + | ** '''TM Website:''' revamp should really be complete for Ganymede! Kevin and Martin won't have time. DaveD will try to get to it, but cannot promise. |
=== What will happen after Ganymede? === | === What will happen after Ganymede? === | ||
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** Bring TCF to Maturity | ** Bring TCF to Maturity | ||
** Quality: Add unittest coverage, reduce bloat, improve performance, streamline APIs | ** Quality: Add unittest coverage, reduce bloat, improve performance, streamline APIs | ||
| − | * Shoot for TM 3.1 or 4.0? | + | * Shoot for TM 3.1 or 4.0? - DaveD: Attempt 3.1; Xuan: lots of classes moved to "internal" e.g. SystemRemoteCommand; Martin: discuss such issues on bugzilla |
| + | ** Martin: Agree, a non-breaking release seems better; Dave: Will increase community confidence | ||
| + | ** Related: Move to Java5? - DaveM: Keep Java 1.4 on the Server, allow 1.5 on the client | ||
| + | ** Martin: Parallel 4.0 and 3.1 development? - DaveD: Try not to do that! | ||
| + | === Questions === | ||
| + | * '''DaveD''' context menu on SystemView / TeamView: something going on with the way how items are being added. Bringing up the context menu immediately after startup shows some debugger related stuff. Martin: {{Bug|208062}} | ||
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== Vacation, away == | == Vacation, away == | ||
| − | + | * Martin public holiday Thursday May 22 | |
| − | * Martin public | + | * Martin NOT in Ottawa for [[E4/Summit]] May 22-23 |
| − | * Martin NOT in Ottawa for [[E4/Summit]] May 22-23 | + | * DaveD Monday May 26 public holiday in US |
| − | * Martin vacation June 11 - 22 | + | * Martin vacation June 11 - 22 -- '''AI Martin''' finish and test the new Build scripts on dsdp.eclipse.org till then |
* DaveM vacation June 16 - 20 | * DaveM vacation June 16 - 20 | ||
| − | * DaveD in July | + | * DaveD in July |
== Action Items == | == Action Items == | ||
* [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 30-Apr-2008#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items | * [[DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 30-Apr-2008#Action_Items|Last Meeting]] Action Items | ||
| − | * '''Everyone''': | + | * '''Everyone''': '''Add @noextend etc''' according to [[DSDP/TM/Code Ownership]] table; |
| − | * '''DaveD''': | + | ** Triage 3.0 and earlier assigned bugs and move to 3.0.1 what we can |
| − | * '''DaveM''': | + | ** Bug fixes, cleanup, unittests |
| − | * '''Kevin''': | + | * '''DaveD''': Investigate {{Bug|230821}} exceptions in IRemoteFileSubSystem; write up coordinated testing Wiki page until Thurs May 22 evening |
| − | * '''Rupen''': | + | * '''DaveM''': Fix {{Bug|231209}} IRemoteFile.getSystemConnection() |
| − | * '''Xuan''': | + | * '''Kevin''': - |
| − | * '''Martin''': New Project Plan; | + | * '''Rupen''': - |
| − | * '''Javier''': | + | * '''Xuan''': - |
| + | * '''Martin''': Fix {{Bug|233068}} Discovery reexport; Prepare Release Review material; New Project Plan; Critical EFS bugs; UI/Non-UI Splitting; Finish new Releng and tell DaveD; E-Mail potential participants of Coordinated Testing; Commons Net Placeholder CQ | ||
| + | * '''Javier''': Hi-PRI FTP BUGS | ||
* '''Michael''': Terminal improvements | * '''Michael''': Terminal improvements | ||
| − | * '''Uwe''': | + | * '''Uwe''': - |
| − | * '''Rado''': | + | * '''Rado''': Fix {{Bug|230919}} IFileService.delete() |
| − | * '''Felix''': | + | * '''Felix''': - |
| − | + | * '''Eugene''': - | |
== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
Latest revision as of 12:56, 21 May 2008
| Meeting Title: | TM Committer Phone Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Wednesday May 21, 2008 at 1500 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1000 Rochester / 1100 Toronto / 1600 London / 1700 Salzburg |
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Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, michael_scharf, uwe.stieber, radoslav.gerganov, wrsfburton.
Contents
Attendees
- IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian, Kevin Doyle
- Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber
- ProSyst - Radoslav Gerganov
- Regrets this time: Michael Scharf, Eugene Tarassov, Felix Burton, Javier Montalvo Orus
Notes
- Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 30-Apr-2008
- Skype Call Quality
- Skypecast quality was OK in the beginning with up to 4 participants, but became unbearable shortly later. Rado was unable to dial into the Skypecast (sitting behind an HTTP proxy).
- Normal Skype conference worked very fine for all 8 participants this time, but 8 really is the limit here (9th person trying to accept invitation cannot join).
New Stuff
- Late API Change Requests
- We really need to draw a finishing line now!
- bug 233068 - [api][breaking] Remove tm.discovery.edit reexport of EMF -- accepted, Martin
- bug 231209 - [api][breaking] IRemoteFile.getSystemConnection() should be changed to IRemoteFile.getHost() -- accepted, DaveM
- bug 230821 - [api][breaking] IRemoteFileSubsystem is inconsistent with IFileService -- DaveD to investigate impact, committers in favor of the change if doable.
- bug 230919 - [api][breaking][files] IFileService.delete() should not return a boolean -- Rado: can handle all cases with exceptions, inconvenient to do both. Martin: boolean value would hardly ever be used. Rado: Not checking return values is bad practice. Martin: It boils down to the question whether it is an error to try and delete a file that's not there. -- accepted, Rado to make the change
- bug 212742 - [api] Need a Utility to send commands and receive output without prompt -- DaveM: We have RemoteCommandShellOperation with BEGIN-END-TAGS (but how reliable is it?) -- denied, due to lack of time
- Changes to go into RC2
Steps Towards Ganymede
- DSDP/TM/3.0 Ramp down Plan for Ganymede
- We have RC1, so from now on EVERY checkin must be tracked in bugzilla, even simple cleanups (except documentation-only or unittest-only things). Also applies to "incubation". Rules do not apply to TCF
- there MUST be a +1 vote on the bug (though the vote can happen after the fact)
- Please do NOT only ask me for reviewing, it doesn't scale
- Testing
- We should do another round of coordinated testing with TM 3.0 RC2 in order to find bugs important enough to get fixed
- Who can organize it? - DaveD write up wiki page, Martin E-mail testers
- Bug Triage
- Please take the time and triage your still 3.0 assigned bugs to see which of them can be deferred to 3.0.1
- All "3.0" assigned bugs must be triaged now and either assigned a proper RC milestone or 3.0.1 (with the exception of Documentation-only fixes)
- New and Noteworthy
- I'll need a list of new features for a New&Noteworthy, and for the Release Review. Release Review material is due next week.
- See CDT/User/NewIn50 for example; for TM, I put most news into our Build Notes already, so it should be possible to compile the N&N out of the build notes
- For the N&N, please make screenshots and work on "your" new features, e.g.
- Useractions
- Hi-priority-bugs
- Severity Major, Hi-Priority
- Current Statistics: 1 blocker (Martin), 1 critical (Martin), 10 major (DaveD, DaveM, Kevin, Martin, Michael), 20 other P2's
- Please fix the known hi-priority bugs as soon as possible -- best before the coordinated testing on RC2, to ensure we get good test coverage
- Community contributions: Only few unapplied patches right now, should apply now if possible (see also the Bug Process Page for a query)
- Cleanup Work
- Besides the hi-priority issues, there is a LOT of cleanup to do:
- New releng scripts on dsdp.eclipse.org (Martin: must-have before his vacation)
- Copyright Year Updates (Run the releng Copyrights Tool)
- API Tooling Javadocs(@noextend and friends) - bug 227368, bug 225529 comment 4 and bug 225529 comment 6 - DSDP/TM/Code Ownership
- Review and improve Userdocs; we have several open bugs here
- Review and improve Javadocs; lots still missing
- Fix broken hyperlinks in the docs, fix HTML/XML errors (which can make the indexer not work)
- Get rid of compiler warnings wherever possible
- Add more Unittests -- ideally write an accompanying unittest for every bugfix
- Run Findbugs -- Update site on http://findbugs.cs.umd.edu/eclipse, Quickdocs by Rado in tm-dev E-Mail
- Question about filtering false positives posted on fb-discuss link
- TM Website: revamp should really be complete for Ganymede! Kevin and Martin won't have time. DaveD will try to get to it, but cannot promise.
- Besides the hi-priority issues, there is a LOT of cleanup to do:
What will happen after Ganymede?
- Propose working on TM 3.0.1 (bugfixes only) in HEAD until fall
- Start coming up with "Big Rocks" to address in the next cycle; re-use the TM Future Planning page? Some examples:
- Connection Grouping - be Multicore aware
- Rewrite the Tableview to be really aware of Properties
- More dynamic subsystem enablement and configuration (e.g. detect UNIX vs Windows automatically at runtime)
- Hi-Performance, caching EFS provider
- Bring TCF to Maturity
- Quality: Add unittest coverage, reduce bloat, improve performance, streamline APIs
- Shoot for TM 3.1 or 4.0? - DaveD: Attempt 3.1; Xuan: lots of classes moved to "internal" e.g. SystemRemoteCommand; Martin: discuss such issues on bugzilla
- Martin: Agree, a non-breaking release seems better; Dave: Will increase community confidence
- Related: Move to Java5? - DaveM: Keep Java 1.4 on the Server, allow 1.5 on the client
- Martin: Parallel 4.0 and 3.1 development? - DaveD: Try not to do that!
Questions
- DaveD context menu on SystemView / TeamView: something going on with the way how items are being added. Bringing up the context menu immediately after startup shows some debugger related stuff. Martin: bug 208062
Vacation, away
- Martin public holiday Thursday May 22
- Martin NOT in Ottawa for E4/Summit May 22-23
- DaveD Monday May 26 public holiday in US
- Martin vacation June 11 - 22 -- AI Martin finish and test the new Build scripts on dsdp.eclipse.org till then
- DaveM vacation June 16 - 20
- DaveD in July
Action Items
- Last Meeting Action Items
- Everyone: Add @noextend etc according to DSDP/TM/Code Ownership table;
- Triage 3.0 and earlier assigned bugs and move to 3.0.1 what we can
- Bug fixes, cleanup, unittests
- DaveD: Investigate bug 230821 exceptions in IRemoteFileSubSystem; write up coordinated testing Wiki page until Thurs May 22 evening
- DaveM: Fix bug 231209 IRemoteFile.getSystemConnection()
- Kevin: -
- Rupen: -
- Xuan: -
- Martin: Fix bug 233068 Discovery reexport; Prepare Release Review material; New Project Plan; Critical EFS bugs; UI/Non-UI Splitting; Finish new Releng and tell DaveD; E-Mail potential participants of Coordinated Testing; Commons Net Placeholder CQ
- Javier: Hi-PRI FTP BUGS
- Michael: Terminal improvements
- Uwe: -
- Rado: Fix bug 230919 IFileService.delete()
- Felix: -
- Eugene: -