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DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 20-Aug-2008

Meeting Title: TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time: Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1100 Rochester / 1200 Toronto / 1800 Salzburg
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Dial-in: Martin to call everybody by Skype

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MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, eugenetarassov, michael_scharf, uwe.stieber, radoslav.gerganov, wrsfburton.

Invited Attendees

  • IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Dave Dykstal, Kevin Doyle
  • Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Michael Scharf, Uwe Stieber, Eugene Tarassov, Felix Burton
  • ProSyst - Radoslav Gerganov
  • MontaVista - Anna Dushistova

This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).


  • Attendees:
  • Regrets:


New Stuff

Old Stuff

  • bug 240991 Startup creates Display on Worker Thread
    • DaveM: RSEUIPlugin.start() is not on the Main thread! Seems to be reproducable when Eclipse is "Restarted" rather than "Started". Issue is hit because Logger is instantiated from RSEUIPlugin.start(), registers Preference / ModelChangeEvent, which leads to DaveD's workaround for bug 227750 to fail
    • Martin: How is the backtrace (Restart) created? Even the intended fix (using a non-UI IRSEInteractionProvider) would not fix this
    • Uwe: Swing/SWT Integration? Is any plugin directly using Bundle.loadClass? That's dangerous since it changes the startlevel
    • Martin: Could instantiation of the Logger be deferred from RSEUIPlugin.start() to somewhere else (later)?
    • People are concerned about using Display.getDefault() -- using IWorkbench.getDisplay() is recommended instead (or, use PlatformUI.isWorkbenchRunning())
    • AI DaveM Comment on Bugzilla what is done in the debuggee to get the backtrace on StartLevelEventThread (Martin cannot reproduce)
    • AI DaveM Try to instantiate the Logger later, or at least try deferring addition of the ModelChangeListeners
    • AI Martin Write the real fix (interaction providers) mid August
  • bug 240998 Extension Point for User Actions
    • Kevin: EP used to add compile commands -- will eventually want to get rid of this extension point, will look at workarounds - AI Kevin mark bug as INVALID or WONTFIX
  • bug 238574 Website Revamp
    • AI Martin ask the Community (Remy, Nick)
  • Unittests
    • Martin added "soft disable" capability for Unittests -- when writing new tests, please add the if(isTestDisabled()) return;
    • Multi-Target: RSEFileStoreTest and FileServiceTest;
    • Xuan: Kevin trying some Abbot stuff, might contribute -- Abbot is under CPL
    • AI Martin New build driver -- deadline Jul/31
    • Xuan: Want to release themselves
      • AI Martin Add M-build Cronjob for Tue 0600 Ottawa time
      • Relengtool: Download
      • AI Xuan Release yourself - Process: Select plugins to release, right-click > Team > Release Be sure to not release inconsistent stuff, i.e. fixes that depend on other stuff that you're not releasing
    • bug 230917 [regression] Some DStore Archive Testcases fail -- AI Xuan look at
    • New Build System due Jul 31 (AI Martin)
  • Findbugs and other cleanup
    • Broken Links in Docs: Xenu's LinkSleuth
    • Xuan: DVT, bug 240940, bug 240972 high priority fixes - AI DaveM address
  • 3.1 Plan
    • Martin marked some bugzilla items with "plan" keyword
    • AI Everyone attach "plan" keyword to "interesting" i.e. larger or important bugs, until end July
    • DSDP presentation to the Board on Sep 17, IBM wants to review the draft, AI Martin check, AI Xuan check deadline

Hot Bugs being discussed

  • bug 233461 Refresh expanded Folders -- IFileService#list to return children and parent in one step, how to be API compatible?
    • DaveM: Not in favor of changing API, don't expect getFile() to be expensive, Cache in Service Layer. Against explicit API change. Plain semantic change is the least of the evils.
    • Martin against Caching on Service Layer.
    • Original bug as specified must be fixed - want the fix in there as soon as possible, because it fixes IRemoteFile problems
    • AI Martin can easily adapt unittests to run performance metrics
    • Split up the bug: Original bug 233461 for the original problem only, include a small patch WITHOUT API change but with unittests. Create a new bug for the API Changes / Preformance Improvements, with the 2nd part of the patch. Discuss API separately. Original bug to be committed into an I-build today. AI Martin and Dave to hook up on Skype later today.
  • bug 199596 [refresh][ftp] Changing a file/folder's Read-Only attribute doesn't always update IRemoteFile -- is it fixed now? -- patch not yet committed?
  • bug 234038 [files][refresh] Changing file permissions does not update property sheet or refresh tree -- is it fixed? -- patch not yet committed? -- AI DaveM create new bug for Tableview
  • bug 234026 [apidoc] IFileService#createFolder() does not specify whether parent folders are created
    • Update Service Docs and Impl to make the Service create parent folders
  • bug 227750 [efs][regression] Eclipse with RSE 3.0 don't start or Display problems -- DaveD: Sounds like should be deferred to 3.1

Plan for Next Steps

  • Bug Triage
    • AI Everyone must review your assigned bugs and move to 3.0.1 where possible
    • All "3.0" assigned bugs must be triaged now and either assigned a proper RC milestone or 3.0.1 (with the exception of Documentation-only fixes)
    • Work on remaining ones by priority
    • Open RC2 Assigned bugs, open 3.0 Assigned bugs
    • Severity Major, Hi-Priority
    • Current Statistics: 1 blocker (Martin), 1 critical (Martin), 8 major (DaveD, Kevin, Martin, Michael), 23 other P2's -- was 10 major / 20 P2's last week
    • Community contributions: Only few unapplied patches right now, last chance to apply now before 3.0 (see also the Bug Process Page for a query)
  • New and Noteworthy
    • I'll need a list of new features for a New&Noteworthy, and for the Release Review. Release Review material is due next week.
    • See CDT/User/NewIn50 for example; for TM, I put most news into our Build Notes already, so it should be possible to compile the N&N out of the build notes
    • For the N&N, please make screenshots and work on "your" new features, e.g.
      • Useractions
  • Cleanup Work
    • Besides the hi-priority issues, there is a LOT of cleanup to do. What do we consider must-have's?
      • Unittests, unittests, unittests!
      • New releng scripts on (Martin: must-have before his vacation)
      • Copyright Year Updates (Run the releng Copyrights Tool)
      • Migration Notes (for 2.0 / for 1.0?)
      • API Tooling Javadocs(@noextend and friends) - bug 227368, bug 225529 comment 4 and bug 225529 comment 6 - DSDP/TM/Code Ownership
      • Review and improve Userdocs; we have several open bugs here
      • Review and improve Javadocs; lots still missing, unclear, duplicated
      • Fix broken hyperlinks in the docs, fix HTML/XML errors (which can make the indexer not work)
      • Get rid of compiler warnings wherever possible
      • Add more Unittests -- ideally write an accompanying unittest for every bugfix
      • Run Findbugs -- Update site on, Quickdocs by Rado in tm-dev E-Mail
        • Question about filtering false positives posted on fb-discuss link
    • TM Website: revamp should really be complete for Ganymede! Kevin and Martin won't have time. DaveD will try to get to it, but cannot promise.


  • DaveD context menu on SystemView / TeamView: something going on with the way how items are being added. Bringing up the context menu immediately after startup shows some debugger related stuff. Martin: bug 208062

Old Stuff

  • Unit Tests - next priority after API
  • Migrating to new Releng on (adopt P2, nightly tests, signing etc)
  • Quality, Backlog and Unit Tests
    • Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
    • Current situation is on this bugzilla report

Vacation, away

  • Martin vacation Jul 21-22, on and off on Thurs and Fri Jul 17-18
  • DaveM vacation first week of August
  • DaveD in July
  • Anna in July

Action Items

  • Last Meeting Action Items
  • Everyone: attach "plan" keyword to "interesting" bugs for 3.1 until end July
  • Anna:
  • DaveD:
  • DaveM: bug 240991: comment on bug how the backtrace is created in the debugger, try registering logger events later; DVT bug 240940, bug 240972 fix; old: commit bug 199596; bug 233480 - tell the team to use custom newConnectionWizards extension
  • Kevin: bug 240998 compile commands extension point mark INVALID or WONTFIX
  • Xuan: Get Releng tool and release fixes yourself for bi-weekly M-builds; check deadline for PMC Board Presentation review; old Look at bug 230917 Archive Handler Unittests
  • Martin: Cronjob for Tue 0600 M-builds; bug 238574 Website ask for Community Help; new Builder until end July; bug 227750 Display in non-UI write fix until mid August; old Run performance tests for bug 233461; Test 2.0->3.0 Update; Update Project Plan; File new bug for bug 165171; Critical EFS bugs; Finish new Releng and tell DaveD; Get started on New&Noteworthy; Create an initial 3.1 plan
  • Javier: Hi-PRI FTP BUGS
  • Michael: Terminal: Work on bug 185348 Terminal API
  • Uwe: -
  • Rado: -
  • Felix: -
  • Eugene: -

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