DSDP/DD/Face-to-face Toronto 22-Feb-2006

Agenda & Attendee List

• Agenda

Minutes

• Eclipse 3.2 Debug Platform
  • Demos / feedback session on prototyping – IBM, Wind River, QNX/CDT, others?
    • Pawel Piech - Wind River
      • Implemented directly against platform
      • (presentation)
      • The current state of the flexible hierachy aligns well with WR's debugger implementation.
      • Main issues at this point:
        • Need retargetable actions
        • Need public interface to get at standard images for label providers
        • Column support in views is incomplete at this point
    • Alan Boxall
      • Implemented directly against platform
      • Moving from 3.0 to 3.1 - the biggest challenge was to get the multi-threaded UI to talk to their synchronous debug engine.
        • They queue up all asynchronous requests. They use a lot of caching.
      • They are using the compatibility mode right now.
      • Taking advantage of 3.2 EDM in the future: eventually, IBM's debug engines will drive the hieararchy.
      • Number of jobs is somewhat alarming. (See performance discussions below.)
      • Plan to do some prototyping against flexible hierarchy after 3.2 is released.
    • Mikhail Khodjaiants, QNX
      • (presentation)
      • Requests to provide customized versions of variables and registers view. Probably will happen after CDT 3.2.
      • Using compatibility mode right now for flexibile hierarchy (for 3.1). Still need more investigation for how to expose customization.
    • ATI
      • Builds against Eclipse platform, but haven't had a chance to look at 3.2 yet.
    • AMI
      • Builds against Eclipse platform.
    • TI, Freescale, Nokia
      • Build against CDT - interested in CDT's plans for 3.2 EDM.
      • TI has done some view customization, too.
    • PalmSource

• • • • TI: Demo of customizations

• • Performance discussion
  • Using the editor with multiple debugging backends
  • API versioning - adding new interfaces on top of old ones vs. deprecating. When are interfaces collapsed together
  • Changes beyond 3.2

• • Progress Update – Darin W (IBM)

• Update Policy
  • Progress Update – Samantha (IBM)
  • Discussion on how UI should expose the policies
• Contributions and Participation Discussion
  • Update/Demo on Memory Rendering and suggestions for API changes – Ted W (Wind River)
  • How can we get better participation to help Darin out on the debugger interfaces and views?
  • Feedback cycle schedule on platform - when do we start reviewing Eclipse 3.2+
  • Where do we want to go next? Volunteers for implementation?
    • New breakpoint features?
    • More memory rendering?
    • Multi-core
    • Sample debugger implementation from Wind River?
    • Discussion of requirements/use cases for flexible hierarchy in CDT. Does it make sense for CDT to expose any of this or stay with a fixed hierarchy?
    • Debug console
  • Committer List
• Miscellaneous
  • Eclipse 3.2 launching framework feedback