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− | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> | + | <onnadi3> Two things: |
− | <html><head> | + | <lemmy> unfortunately I had no time to send out an agenda. |
− | | + | <onnadi3> 1. Weekly meeting times |
− | | + | <onnadi3> 2. Agenda for this coming month, or at least the next few weeks |
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| + | <onnadi3> 3. Perhaps all get on the same page about hte project's objective |
− | <style type="text/css">
| + | <onnadi3> (that's not 3, I know :-) ) |
− | [hidden="true"] {
| + | <rcjsuen> I'm not sure when Philippe will send out an email for weekly meetings. |
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| + | <rcjsuen> Since the program starts on Monday is it? |
− | }
| + | <onnadi3> yup |
− | | + | <lemmy> About 1. I'll be back in Germany 11th of June which should |
− | .header-outer {
| + | allow us for more flexible meeting times. |
− | position: fixed;
| + | <rcjsuen> I can't do weekday meetings since I have a full-time (internship) job. |
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| + | <lemmy> I'm rather busy through the week myself and would prefer |
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| + | meetings on the weekend too. |
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| + | <onnadi3> Alright. Should we perhaps stick with this time until we |
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| + | find a better time? |
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| + | <rcjsuen> Saturday mornings are no problem with me. |
− | }
| + | <lemmy> Sounds like a plan to me. |
− | | + | <onnadi3> Alrighty! Next up, 2. Agenda for this coming month, |
− | .header {
| + | <lemmy> We definitely need to setup SCM. |
− | background-color: white;
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: Have you started the Eclipse IP process already? |
− | color: black;
| + | <onnadi3> I thought, the eclipse-dev folks were going to send out an |
− | margin: 2px;
| + | e-mail to all of us en masse |
− | border: 1px black solid;
| + | <lemmy> Lets check the soc bug again... |
− | }
| + | <rcjsuen> wizEpit: Hi wizEpit, don't think I've seen you around, are |
− | | + | you a student? |
− | .h-table,
| + | <rcjsuen> yeah, It's been a while, I don't really remember the details |
− | #net-url,
| + | <rcjsuen> Can always just use SF for now. |
− | #ch-url,
| + | <rcjsuen> we all did so last yr anyway ;p |
− | #dcc-chat-title {
| + | <lemmy> We should get the process started anyway. Don't you agree that |
− | width: 100%;
| + | the code might end up in Eclipse? |
− | }
| + | <onnadi3> Yes yes yes |
− | | + | <rcjsuen> I'm not sure which project would consume it though. |
− | #splash {
| + | <lemmy> It will be easier if the code is already at eclipse.org i guess. |
− | padding-top: 55%;
| + | <lemmy> Do you have a SF id ogechi? |
− | padding-bottom: 20%;
| + | <rcjsuen> lemmy: Right |
− | font-size: 24pt;
| + | <rcjsuen> I think I added him already |
− | font-weight: bold;
| + | <onnadi3> No. But I have a google id and I have used Google's project |
− | text-align: center;
| + | hosting before |
− | }
| + | <onnadi3> Its really easy |
− | | + | <rcjsuen> okay i guess not the n;p |
− | #cli-version-container {
| + | <lemmy> I would prefer to use SF. Eclipse GSoC has a project set up already. |
− | text-align: center;
| + | <lemmy> And GSoC doesn't require us to use their facilities. |
− | width: 100%;
| + | <lemmy> http://sourceforge.net/projects/eclipse-incub |
− | }
| + | <onnadi3> lemmy: so all the past GSoC projects are held in SF under |
− | | + | one source tree? |
− | #usr-descnodes,
| + | <rcjsuen> not "all" |
− | #ch-topicnodes {
| + | <rcjsuen> some...didn't ;p |
− | line-height: 110%;
| + | <rcjsuen> http://eclipse-incub.cvs.sourceforge.net/eclipse-incub/ |
− | }
| + | <rcjsuen> by some i mean lots |
− | | + | <onnadi3> :-) |
− | #ch-usercount,
| + | <rcjsuen> I don't know how strict pombreda is going to be this year though ;) |
− | #ch-modestr,
| + | <rcjsuen> It's just easier for the populace to find GSOC code. |
− | #net-lag,
| + | <rcjsuen> If they're all in one place, naturally. |
− | #dcc-file-progress {
| + | <onnadi3> OK. THat makes sense. |
− | white-space: nowrap;
| + | <onnadi3> So once I get an SF id, I can e-mail rcjsuen to get added to |
− | }
| + | the incub project? |
− | | + | <lemmy> you can email either remy or me. |
− | .label {
| + | <lemmy> or both of us and see who acts fiirst. ;) |
− | font-weight: bold;
| + | <rcjsuen> We all have admin rights actually. |
− | text-align: right;
| + | <rcjsuen> You can just speak up here. |
− | vertical-align: top;
| + | <rcjsuen> Someone with free time will do it. |
− | white-space: nowrap;
| + | <lemmy> What about CVS vs SVN? |
− | padding-right: 0.5em;
| + | <onnadi3> SVN, unless someones has a strong opposition to it... |
− | }
| + | <rcjsuen> You're supposed to use CVS. |
− | | + | <rcjsuen> lol |
− | .value {
| + | <onnadi3> oops |
− | vertical-align: top;
| + | <lemmy> Says pombreda ? |
− | padding-right: 1em;
| + | <rcjsuen> Says pombreda alright. |
− | }
| + | <lemmy> Eclipse.org offers SVN, so does SF. |
− | | + | <onnadi3> I thought so , too |
− | #usr-title,
| + | <rcjsuen> We picked CVS because of the lower barrier of entry. |
− | #usr-descnodes {
| + | <rcjsuen> That was my vote +1 for CVS. |
− | text-align: center;
| + | <rcjsuen> Even though I would gladly -infinity to CVS. |
− | }
| + | <lemmy> Barrier for who? |
− |
| + | <rcjsuen> Since I can't stand 1.x version numbers. |
− | .crop-right {
| + | <rcjsuen> lemmy: Fora nyone |
− | }
| + | <lemmy> I'm fine with both and with pombreda opting for CVS lets use CVS then. |
− |
| + | <onnadi3> <sigh> CVS it is, I guess :-) |
− | </style>
| + | <rcjsuen> Sorry |
− | | + | <lemmy> rcjsuen: No need to be sorry. CVS is fine for us. |
− | <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
| + | <onnadi3> Except for creating directories *ahem* |
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| + | <onnadi3> :-) |
− | on #eclipse-soc (+sn): SOC 2007 @ Eclipse is on!
| + | <lemmy> Who cares if a file history is broken. ;) |
− | http://code.google.com/soc - Get help with ~help - List of accepted
| + | <onnadi3> :-) |
− | applications: http://code.google.com/soc/eclipse/about.html - Find
| + | <onnadi3> Well, now that that is settled, should we move into my goals |
− | information here:
| + | for the next meeting? |
− | http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_2007 - Be
| + | <lemmy> sure |
− | patient and stick around for an answer - Subscribe to the mailinglist
| + | <rcjsuen> sounds good |
− | https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/soc-dev (Sat May 26 2007
| + | <onnadi3> I was thinking I'd draw out different scenarios in which the |
− | 11:13:08 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time))</title></head><body class="chatzilla-body">
| + | plugin would be used |
− | | + | <onnadi3> e.g. |
− | <div class="header-outer">
| + | <onnadi3> 1. Let's say you dl the autoconf plugin then download the |
− | | + | C++ plugin, the autoconf plugin will automatically determine what the |
− | <div class="header" id="cli-container" hidden="true">
| + | C++ plugin needs and try to find them |
− | <table class="h-table">
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: the autoconf plugin refers to your plugin? |
− | <tbody>
| + | <onnadi3> Yeah |
− | <tr>
| + | <lemmy> do you want the autoconf plugin to know about cdt? |
− | <td class="label" localize="output.knownnets">Known Networks</td>
| + | <rcjsuen> That'd require some identical plug-in ID + version magic |
− | <td class="value" id="cli-netcount"></td>
| + | <onnadi3> Well, I think it would be beneficial, from the user |
− | <td class="label" id="cli-version-container" condition="yellow">ChatZilla <span id="cli-version">error</span></td>
| + | standpoint, to have the autoconf plugin keep as large a db as feasible |
− | | + | of plugins and their requirements |
− | <td class="label" localize="output.connnets">Connected Networks</td>
| + | <lemmy> actually I don't think autoconf should know about it consumers. |
− | <td class="value" id="cli-connectcount" localize="none"><none></td>
| + | <onnadi3> that way, it looks like magic to the user |
− | </tr>
| + | <onnadi3> Of course, we would also want to provide an API for the |
− | </tbody>
| + | autconf plugin so that newer plugins can make their requirements |
− | </table>
| + | autconfable |
− | </div>
| + | <lemmy> IMO autoconf should only provide the framework to discover |
− | | + | "services". consumers then provide autoconf with rules to discover |
− | <div class="header" id="net-container" hidden="true">
| + | actual servies. |
− | | + | <rcjsuen> It'd be tough to maintain since I'm assuming those plug-ins |
− | <table class="h-table">
| + | mark a lot of preferences stuff as internal. |
− | <tbody>
| + | <lemmy> remy: that's why i don't like the idea of shipping discovery |
− | <tr>
| + | rules with autoconf |
− | <td class="label" id="net-url-l" localize="output.url">URL</td>
| + | <lemmy> btw. autoconf is a working title? ;) |
− | <td class="value crop-right" id="net-url">
| + | <rcjsuen> I guess |
− | <a id="net-url-anchor" class="chatzilla-link" href="irc://foo/bar">irc://foo/bar</a>
| + | <onnadi3> Sounds fine to me :) |
− | </td>
| + | <onnadi3> Hmm, of course our main aim won't be collating all the |
− | <td class="value" id="net-status" condition="red" localize="output.notconn">Not Connected</td>
| + | requirements for every single plugin, but I think it would be useful |
− | | + | to allow the capability so that the more common older plugins are |
− | <td class="label" id="net-lag-l" localize="output.lag">Lag</td>
| + | autoconfable |
− | <td class="value" id="net-lag" localize="unknown"><unknown></td>
| + | <lemmy> sure, provide a few exemplary rules like jdk, gcc, ... but |
− | </tr>
| + | nothing specific. |
− | </tbody>
| + | <lemmy> It's a nice vision to allow for older plug-ins to benefit from |
− | </table>
| + | autoconf though. |
− | </div>
| + | <onnadi3> So, should we go through the other scenarios now or is that |
− | | + | something I should flesh out more during the week? |
− | <div class="header" id="ch-container">
| + | <lemmy> tbh lets try to get a strong and fairly generic framework |
− | | + | running before we concentrate on creating a big database. |
− | <table class="h-table">
| + | <rcjsuen> Agreed. |
− | <tbody>
| + | <onnadi3> Agreed |
− | <tr>
| + | <lemmy> A database is something that could live from contributions. |
− | <td class="label" id="ch-url-l" localize="output.url">URL</td>
| + | <rcjsuen> Very true, services / extensions. |
− | <td class="value crop-right" id="ch-url">
| + | <onnadi3> So another scenario would be when the C++ plugin has already |
− | <a id="ch-url-anchor" class="chatzilla-link" href="irc://freenode/eclipse-soc">irc://freenode/eclipse-soc</a>
| + | been installed and then the autoconf plugin is installed afterwards |
− | </td>
| + | <onnadi3> In that case, the user would have to click a button or |
− | <td class="label" id="ch-modestr-l" localize="output.mode">Mode</td>
| + | something to request that the C++ requirements be found |
− | | + | <onnadi3> I could do sketches of what this would look like during the week |
− | <td condition="green" class="value" id="ch-modestr" localize="none">+sn</td>
| + | <rcjsuen> yes, that seems reasonable |
− | <td class="label" id="ch-usercount-l" localize="output.users">Users</td>
| + | <rcjsuen> like if they installed a new JRE and it's the new JAVA_HOME |
− | <td condition="green" class="value" id="ch-usercount" localize="none">14, 0@, 0%, 0+</td>
| + | <rcjsuen> could possibly update that or whatever |
− | </tr>
| + | <lemmy> It seems if I have a slightly different vision for autoconf. I |
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| + | see it more like a fundamental service without a real UI. |
− | <td class="label" id="ch-topicnodes-l" localize="output.topic">Topic</td>
| + | <onnadi3> ah |
− | <td class="value" colspan="6">
| + | <onnadi3> So perhaps we should focus on the service first, and then if |
− | | + | there's any time left, work on prettifying? |
− | <span id="ch-topicnodes" localize="none"><span>SOC 2007 @ Eclipse <wbr>is on! <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://code.google.com/soc">http://code.google.<wbr>com/soc</a> - Get help with <wbr>~help - List of <wbr>accepted applications:<wbr> <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://code.google.com/soc/eclipse/about.html">http://code.google.<wbr>com/soc/eclipse/<wbr>about.html</a> - Find information <wbr>here: <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_2007">http://wiki.eclipse.<wbr>org/index.php/Google_<wbr>Summer_of_Code_2007</a> - Be patient and <wbr>stick around for <wbr>an answer - Subscribe <wbr>to the mailinglist <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/soc-dev">https://dev.eclipse.<wbr>org/mailman/listinfo/<wbr>soc-dev</a></span></span>
| + | <rcjsuen> lemmy: You mean someone else will code the UI? |
− | | + | <lemmy> rcjsuen: I don't see the need for a UI. |
− | <input hidden="true" id="ch-topicinput" style="width: 100%;" onblur="cancelTopicEdit();" onkeypress="onTopicKeypress(event);">
| + | <lemmy> CDT and JDT will use the autoconf facilities to discover their |
− | </td>
| + | dependencies. |
− | </tr>
| + | <lemmy> We could provide patches for CDT and JDT. |
− | </tbody>
| + | <rcjsuen> If there's no UI then the user cannot intervene with the |
− | </table>
| + | autodetection. |
− | </div>
| + | <lemmy> Basically CDT and JDT use OSGi preference service to obtain a |
− |
| + | service by some identifier. autoconf takes care of filling up the |
− | <div class="header" id="usr-container" hidden="true">
| + | preference. either at startup or on demand. |
− | <table class="h-table">
| + | <lemmy> rcjsuen: since we can't be sure of the result of autoconf |
− | <tbody>
| + | anyway, a user will always have to verify the results. |
− | | + | <rcjsuen> That's true. |
− | <tr>
| + | <lemmy> Something like: A new JAVA project gets created. JDT asks |
− | <td class="label" localize="output.url">URL</td>
| + | preference for JDK, autoconf tries to discover JDK. JDT shows the |
− | <td class="value crop-right" width="100%">
| + | rules to the user in the project creation wizard. |
− | <a id="usr-url-anchor" class="chatzilla-link" href="irc://foo/bar">irc://foo/bar</a>
| + | <rcjsuen> Sounds reasonable. |
− | </td>
| + | <lemmy> One thing is missing in this however. |
− | <td class="label" id="usr-serverstr-l" localize="output.via">Connected via</td>
| + | <onnadi3> Shouldn't it be: JDT is installed. autoconf discovers JDK. |
− | <td class="value" id="usr-serverstr" localize="none"><none></td>
| + | JDT then shows the rules to the user during the installation process |
− | | + | <lemmy> Who provides the discovery rule. I think those should also |
− | </tr>
| + | come from JDT. |
− | <tr>
| + | <onnadi3> I'd originally thought this could be done by the community |
− | <td id="usr-title" colspan="4" localize="none"><none></td>
| + | as well, but I think that raises security concenrs |
− | </tr>
| + | <lemmy> Generally speaking a consumer configures autoconf to discover |
− | <tr>
| + | a given service id by a given rule. |
− | <td id="usr-descnodes" colspan="4" localize="none"><none></td>
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: About which installation process are you talking? |
− | </tr>
| + | <onnadi3> the plugin "installation" process |
− | </tbody>
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: I wouldn't care so much for the installation of JDT |
− | | + | or CDT. Discovering a certain service is something which is needed |
− | </table>
| + | when a new project gets created... |
− | </div>
| + | <onnadi3> lemmy: But won't the same rule suffice for any other Java |
− | | + | project (in the case of JDT)? |
− | <div class="header" id="dcc-chat-container" hidden="true">
| + | <lemmy> I don't get the question, sorry. |
− | <table class="h-table">
| + | <onnadi3> So if you discovered, say, the JDK while starting one Java |
− | <tbody>
| + | project. Won't that same JDK suffice for any other Java project that |
− | <tr>
| + | you start? |
− | <td id="dcc-chat-title" localize="none"><none></td>
| + | <lemmy> each project can depend on a different jdk. |
− | <td class="label" id="dcc-chat-remotestr-l" localize="output.to">Connected to</td>
| + | <onnadi3> I see |
− | | + | <rcjsuen> yeah, there's a workspace setting, but projects can also |
− | <td class="value" id="dcc-chat-remotestr" localize="none"><none></td>
| + | pick their own |
− | </tr>
| + | <onnadi3> It just seems to me like it would be annoying to have to |
− | </tbody>
| + | have to select a JDK for every project since (I'm guessing) most |
− | </table>
| + | times, you'd want to use the same JDK |
− | </div>
| + | <onnadi3> However, you have an excellent point that people mihgt need |
− | | + | per project settings and so we need to provide that functionality |
− | <div class="header" id="dcc-file-container" hidden="true">
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: normally you manually add several jdks to your |
− | <table class="h-table">
| + | workspace. each time you create a new project in that workspace, you |
− | <tbody>
| + | get to choose from that list. |
− | | + | <rcjsuen> Depends on the projects, PDEs have the Execution Environment concept. |
− | <tr>
| + | <lemmy> true |
− | <td class="label" localize="output.file">File</td>
| + | <lemmy> but it's just another layer on top of jdks. |
− | <td class="value crop-right" id="dcc-file-file" width="100%"></td>
| + | * lemmy feels the need for a whiteboard |
− | <td class="label" localize="output.progress">Progress</td>
| + | <onnadi3> Ah. I think lemmy is right in that the autoconfplugin finds |
− | <td class="value" id="dcc-file-progress" localize="unknown"><unknown></td>
| + | all JDKs every time a new project is started (in case a new one was |
− | </tr>
| + | installed since the last autodetect) and then the user has the choice |
− | <tr>
| + | of picking a JDK from a list or using the default |
− | | + | <lemmy> onnadi3: Discovery could either be triggered from the new |
− | <td colspan="4" class="progress-bg">
| + | project wizard or in the workspace wide "installed jdks" preference |
− | <table id="dcc-file-progressbar" width="0%"><tbody><tr>
| + | page. |
− | <td class="progress-fg"> </td>
| + | <rcjsuen> yeah |
− | </tr></tbody></table>
| + | <rcjsuen> I guess wherever it has some kinda Viewer that calls like |
− | </td>
| + | getInstalledJREs() |
− | </tr>
| + | <lemmy> This pretty much applies to CDT, PDT,... |
− | </tbody>
| + | <rcjsuen> it should do a rediscover |
− | </table>
| + | <lemmy> getInstalledJREs(boolean rediscover) ;) |
− | </div>
| + | <lemmy> discovery might be expensive |
− | | + | <onnadi3> yup |
− | </div>
| + | <lemmy> Unfortunately I don't see a way around touching JDT/CDT/... code. |
− | | + | <lemmy> Except maybe with some AOP magic. |
− | <div id="messages-outer">
| + | <onnadi3> And, for instance, in the Ruby plugin, you don't have the |
− | <div id="splash">#eclipse-soc</div>
| + | option of choosing runtimes. So if autodiscovery takes even a few |
− | <div id="output"><table view-type="IRCChannel" class="msg-table"><tbody><tr timestamp="1180186767798" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:39:27] #eclipse-soc" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="unk" msg-dest="" msg-type="INFO" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-type"><span>[INFO]</span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Channel view for “<a class="chatzilla-link" href="irc://freenode/%23eclipse-soc">#eclipse-soc</a>” opened.</span></td></tr><tr msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180186768486" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:39:28] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="JOIN" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-type"><span>-->|</span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>YOU (onnadi3) have <wbr>joined <a class="chatzilla-link" href="irc://freenode/%23eclipse-soc">#eclipse-soc</a></span></td></tr><tr timestamp="1180186768502" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:39:28] #eclipse-soc" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="unk" msg-dest="" msg-type="TOPIC" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-type"><span>=-=</span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Topic for <a class="chatzilla-link" href="irc://freenode/%23eclipse-soc">#eclipse-soc</a> is “SOC 2007 @ Eclipse <wbr>is on! <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://code.google.com/soc">http://code.google.<wbr>com/soc</a> - Get help with <wbr>~help - List of <wbr>accepted applications:<wbr> <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://code.google.com/soc/eclipse/about.html">http://code.google.<wbr>com/soc/eclipse/<wbr>about.html</a> - Find information <wbr>here: <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_2007">http://wiki.eclipse.<wbr>org/index.php/Google_<wbr>Summer_of_Code_2007</a> - Be patient and <wbr>stick around for <wbr>an answer - Subscribe <wbr>to the mailinglist <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/soc-dev">https://dev.eclipse.<wbr>org/mailman/listinfo/<wbr>soc-dev</a>”</span></td></tr><tr timestamp="1180186768548" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:39:28] #eclipse-soc" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="unk" msg-dest="" msg-type="TOPIC" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-type"><span>=-=</span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Topic for <a class="chatzilla-link" href="irc://freenode/%23eclipse-soc">#eclipse-soc</a> was set by pombreda <wbr>on Sunday, April <wbr>15, 2007 2:10:57 PM</span></td></tr><tr timestamp="1180186769096" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:39:29] #eclipse-soc" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="unk" msg-dest="" msg-type="INFO" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-type"><span>[INFO]</span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>This channel requires <wbr>that you have registered <wbr>and identified yourself <wbr>with the network'<wbr>s nickname registration <wbr>services (e.g. NickServ)<wbr>. Please see the <wbr>documentation of <wbr>this network's nickname <wbr>registration services <wbr>that should be found <wbr>in the MOTD (/motd <wbr>to display it).</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180186794180" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:39:54] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Hello rcjsuen, lemmy!<wbr></span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180186800181" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:40:00] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: Hi</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="wizEpit" timestamp="1180186822359" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:40:22] wizEpit!n=wizepit@124.5.238.208" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="JOIN" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-type"><span>-->|</span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>wizEpit (n=wizepit@<wbr>124.5.238.208) has <wbr>joined <a class="chatzilla-link" href="irc://freenode/%23eclipse-soc">#eclipse-soc</a></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180186823547" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:40:23] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Sorry for the lateness.<wbr> The terminal I <wbr>usually use has <wbr>IRC blocked on it</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180186830220" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:40:30] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>o</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180186844739" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:40:44] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: Btw, are <wbr>you on CDT or EDT?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180186853929" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:40:53] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Don't worry, I'm <wbr>actually a little <wbr>bit late myself.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180186878748" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:41:18] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>rcjsuen: I'm on <wbr>EST which is the <wbr>same as EDT...right?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180186938575" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:42:18] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>hola, lemmy. Howdy <wbr>do, tonight?</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180186940529" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:42:20] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: well, EDT <wbr>is "during day light <wbr>savings" and EST <wbr>is "when not on <wbr>daylight savings"</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180186951500" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:42:31] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>your email said <wbr>"So, how does Saturday <wbr>9:30am CDT/EDT, <wbr>7pm IST sound?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180186952032" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:42:32] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>"</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180186959002" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:42:39] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Ah.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180186961815" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:42:41] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>which was confusing</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180186965942" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:42:45] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>as i would've read <wbr>it as 0930 CDT</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180186984009" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:43:04] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Isn't that the timezone <wbr>you're in? Or is <wbr>it CST?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180186989369" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:43:09] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I'm on EDT.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187004373" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:43:24] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I though you're <wbr>both on the same <wbr>tz?!</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187017861" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:43:37] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Well, it doesn't <wbr>matter which time <wbr>zone I'm on, it <wbr>was just confusing <wbr>to see a time prepended <wbr>on two different <wbr>time zones<span type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;)</span><span title=" ;)" type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187041007" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:44:01] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Ah!!</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187072484" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:44:32] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I realize my mistake.<wbr> I thought that <wbr>Canada's timezones <wbr>had different names <wbr>and that's why I <wbr>put CDT</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187077798" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:44:37] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Sorry about that</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187101882" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:45:01] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>No big deal.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187157130" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:45:57] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>so what do we need <wbr>to talk about?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187168008" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:46:08] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Two things:</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187171446" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:46:11] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>unfortunately I <wbr>had no time to send <wbr>out an agenda.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187176385" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:46:16] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>1. Weekly meeting <wbr>times</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187192076" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:46:32] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>2. Agenda for this <wbr>coming month, or <wbr>at least the next <wbr>few weeks</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187228648" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:47:08] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>3. Perhaps all get <wbr>on the same page <wbr>about hte project'<wbr>s objective</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187237072" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:47:17] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>(that's not 3, I <wbr>know<span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :-) </span><span title=" :-) " type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span>)</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187243573" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:47:23] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I'm not sure when <wbr>Philippe will send <wbr>out an email for <wbr>weekly meetings.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187253670" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:47:33] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Since the program <wbr>starts on Monday <wbr>is it?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187257374" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:47:37] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>yup</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187281145" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:48:01] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>About 1. I'll be <wbr>back in Germany <wbr>11th of June which <wbr>should allow us <wbr>for more flexible <wbr>meeting times.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187302510" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:48:22] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I can't do weekday <wbr>meetings since I <wbr>have a full-time <wbr>(internship) job.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187324719" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:48:44] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I'm rather busy <wbr>through the week <wbr>myself and would <wbr>prefer meetings <wbr>on the weekend too.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187330282" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:48:50] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Alright. Should <wbr>we perhaps stick <wbr>with this time until <wbr>we find a better <wbr>time?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187338191" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:48:58] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Saturday mornings <wbr>are no problem with <wbr>me.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187364385" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:49:24] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Sounds like a plan <wbr>to me.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187404582" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:50:04] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Alrighty! Next up, 2. Agenda for this <wbr>coming month, </span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187426338" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:50:26] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>We definitely need <wbr>to setup SCM.</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187449031" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:50:49] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: Have you <wbr>started the Eclipse <wbr>IP process already?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187484165" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:51:24] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I thought, the eclipse-<wbr>dev folks were going <wbr>to send out an e-<wbr>mail to all of us <wbr>en masse</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187521346" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:52:01] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Lets check the soc <wbr>bug again...</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187536381" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:52:16] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>wizEpit: Hi wizEpit,<wbr> don't think I've <wbr>seen you around,<wbr> are you a student?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187541601" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:52:21] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>yeah, It's been <wbr>a while, I don't <wbr>really remember <wbr>the details</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187548227" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:52:28] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Can always just <wbr>use SF for now.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187555479" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:52:35] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>we all did so last <wbr>yr anyway<span type="face-tongue" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;p</span><span title=" ;p" type="face-tongue" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187586440" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:53:06] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>We should get the <wbr>process started <wbr>anyway. Don't you <wbr>agree that the code <wbr>might end up in <wbr>Eclipse?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187597552" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:53:17] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Yes yes yes</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187612869" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:53:32] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I'm not sure which <wbr>project would consume <wbr>it though.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187700859" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:55:00] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>It will be easier <wbr>if the code is already <wbr>at eclipse.org i <wbr>guess.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187751700" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:55:51] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Do you have a SF <wbr>id ogechi?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187762015" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:56:02] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy: Right</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187765766" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:56:05] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I think I added <wbr>him already</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187774065" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:56:14] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>No. But I have a <wbr>google id and I <wbr>have used Google'<wbr>s project hosting <wbr>before</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187779676" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:56:19] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Its really easy </span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187783505" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:56:23] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>okay i guess not <wbr>the n;p</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187802306" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:56:42] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I would prefer to <wbr>use SF. Eclipse <wbr>GSoC has a project <wbr>set up already.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187841222" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:57:21] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>And GSoC doesn't <wbr>require us to use <wbr>their facilities.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187874012" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:57:54] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy: so all the <wbr>past GSoC projects <wbr>are held in SF under <wbr>one source tree?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187874559" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:57:54] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span><a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/eclipse-incub">http://sourceforge.<wbr>net/projects/eclipse-<wbr>incub</a></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187901191" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:58:21] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>not "all"</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187904097" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:58:24] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>some...didn't<span type="face-tongue" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;p</span><span title=" ;p" type="face-tongue" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187918992" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:58:38] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span><a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://eclipse-incub.cvs.sourceforge.net/eclipse-incub/">http://eclipse-incub.<wbr>cvs.sourceforge.<wbr>net/eclipse-incub/</a></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187922461" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:58:42] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>by some i mean lots</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187929338" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:58:49] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span><span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt">:-)</span><span title=":-)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187931776" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:58:51] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I don't know how <wbr>strict pombreda <wbr>is going to be this <wbr>year though<span type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;)</span><span title=" ;)" type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187944873" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:59:04] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>It's just easier <wbr>for the populace <wbr>to find GSOC code.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180187949843" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:59:09] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>If they're all in <wbr>one place, naturally.<wbr></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187963034" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:59:23] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>OK. THat makes sense.<wbr></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180187982242" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:59:42] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>So once I get an <wbr>SF id, I can e-mail <wbr>rcjsuen to get added <wbr>to the incub project?<wbr></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180187997308" statusText="[2007-05-26 09:59:57] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>you can email either <wbr>remy or me.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188007811" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:00:07] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>or both of us and <wbr>see who acts fiirst.<span type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;)</span><span title=" ;)" type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188012328" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:00:12] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>We all have admin <wbr>rights actually.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188018360" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:00:18] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>You can just speak <wbr>up here.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188021517" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:00:21] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Someone with free <wbr>time will do it.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188046696" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:00:46] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>What about CVS vs <wbr>SVN?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188068482" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:01:08] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>SVN, unless someones <wbr>has a strong opposition <wbr>to it...</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188069232" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:01:09] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>You're supposed <wbr>to use CVS.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188074249" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:01:14] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188075406" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:01:15] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>oops</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188078313" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:01:18] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Says pombreda ?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188100068" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:01:40] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Says pombreda alright.<wbr></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188104319" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:01:44] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Eclipse.org offers <wbr>SVN, so does SF.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188111931" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:01:51] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I thought so , too</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188118917" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:01:58] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>We picked CVS because <wbr>of the lower barrier <wbr>of entry.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188124590" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:02:04] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>That was my vote <wbr>+1 for CVS.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188130091" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:02:10] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Even though I would <wbr>gladly -infinity <wbr>to CVS.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188134045" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:02:14] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Barrier for who?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188141719" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:02:21] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Since I can't stand <wbr>1.x version numbers.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188143563" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:02:23] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy: Fora nyone</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188188653" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:03:08] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I'm fine with both <wbr>and with pombreda <wbr> opting for CVS <wbr>lets use CVS then.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188191966" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:03:11] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span><sigh> CVS it is,<wbr> I guess <span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :-)</span><span title=" :-)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188197921" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:03:17] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Sorry</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188223083" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:03:43] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>rcjsuen: No need <wbr>to be sorry. CVS <wbr>is fine for us.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188254576" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:04:14] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Except for creating <wbr>directories <span class="chatzilla-bold">*ahem*</span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188257858" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:04:17] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span><span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt">:-)</span><span title=":-)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188288631" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:04:48] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Who cares if a file <wbr>history is broken.<span type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;)</span><span title=" ;)" type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188300071" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:05:00] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span><span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt">:-)</span><span title=":-)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188337268" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:05:37] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Well, now that that <wbr>is settled, should <wbr>we move into my <wbr>goals for the next <wbr>meeting?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188354382" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:05:54] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>sure</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188426962" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:07:06] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>sounds good</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188433573" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:07:13] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I was thinking I'<wbr>d draw out different <wbr>scenarios in which <wbr>the plugin would <wbr>be used</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188435980" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:07:15] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>e.g.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188506091" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:08:26] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>1. Let's say you <wbr>dl the autoconf <wbr>plugin then download <wbr>the C++ plugin, <wbr>the autoconf plugin <wbr>will automatically <wbr>determine what the <wbr>C++ plugin needs <wbr>and try to find them</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188546055" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:09:06] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: the autoconf <wbr>plugin refers to <wbr>your plugin?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188550024" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:09:10] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Yeah</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188565778" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:09:25] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>do you want the <wbr>autoconf plugin <wbr>to know about cdt?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188579766" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:09:39] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>That'd require some <wbr>identical plug-in <wbr>ID + version magic</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188608539" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:10:08] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Well, I think it <wbr>would be beneficial,<wbr> from the user stand<wbr>point, to have the <wbr>autoconf plugin <wbr>keep as large a <wbr>db as feasible of <wbr>plugins and their <wbr>requirements</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188613759" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:10:13] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>actually I don't <wbr>think autoconf should <wbr>know about it consumers.<wbr></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188618604" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:10:18] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>that way, it looks <wbr>like magic to the <wbr>user</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188654972" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:10:54] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Of course, we would <wbr>also want to provide <wbr>an API for the autconf <wbr>plugin so that newer <wbr>plugins can make <wbr>their requirements <wbr>autconfable</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188691591" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:11:31] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>IMO autoconf should <wbr>only provide the <wbr>framework to discover <wbr>"services". consumers <wbr>then provide autoconf <wbr>with rules to discover <wbr>actual servies.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188696795" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:11:36] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>It'd be tough to <wbr>maintain since I'<wbr>m assuming those <wbr>plug-ins mark a <wbr>lot of preferences <wbr>stuff as internal.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188789225" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:13:09] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>remy: that's why <wbr>i don't like the <wbr>idea of shipping <wbr>discovery rules <wbr>with autoconf</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188799743" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:13:19] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>btw. autoconf is <wbr>a working title?<span type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;)</span><span title=" ;)" type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180188818107" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:13:38] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I guess</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188839893" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:13:59] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Sounds fine to me<span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :)</span><span title=" :)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188845614" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:14:05] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Hmm, of course our <wbr>main aim won't be <wbr>collating all the <wbr>requirements for <wbr>every single plugin,<wbr> but I think it <wbr>would be useful <wbr>to allow the capability <wbr>so that the more <wbr>common older plugins <wbr>are autoconfable</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188861133" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:14:21] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>sure, provide a <wbr>few exemplary rules <wbr>like jdk, gcc, .<wbr>.. but nothing specific.<wbr></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180188921289" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:15:21] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>It's a nice vision <wbr>to allow for older <wbr>plug-ins to benefit <wbr>from autoconf though.<wbr></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180188994119" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:16:34] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>So, should we go <wbr>through the other <wbr>scenarios now or <wbr>is that something <wbr>I should flesh out <wbr>more during the <wbr>week?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189038224" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:17:18] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>tbh lets try to <wbr>get a strong and <wbr>fairly generic framework <wbr>running before we <wbr>concentrate on creating <wbr>a big database.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180189077296" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:17:57] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Agreed.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189085392" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:18:05] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Agreed</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189094832" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:18:14] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>A database is something <wbr>that could live <wbr>from contributions.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180189141422" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:19:01] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Very true, services <wbr>/ extensions.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189212127" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:20:12] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>So another scenario <wbr>would be when the <wbr>C++ plugin has already <wbr>been installed and <wbr>then the autoconf <wbr>plugin is installed <wbr>afterwards</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189245901" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:20:45] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>In that case, the <wbr>user would have <wbr>to click a button <wbr>or something to <wbr>request that the <wbr>C++ requirements <wbr>be found</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189275205" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:21:15] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I could do sketches <wbr>of what this would <wbr>look like during <wbr>the week</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180189291381" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:21:31] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>yes, that seems <wbr>reasonable</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180189298789" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:21:38] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>like if they installed <wbr>a new JRE and it'<wbr>s the new JAVA_HOME</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180189302618" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:21:42] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>could possibly update <wbr>that or whatever</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189306963" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:21:46] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>It seems if I have <wbr>a slightly different <wbr>vision for autoconf.<wbr> I see it more like <wbr>a fundamental service <wbr>without a real UI.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189333954" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:22:13] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>ah</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189374152" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:22:54] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>So perhaps we should <wbr>focus on the service <wbr>first, and then <wbr>if there's any time <wbr>left, work on pretti<wbr>fying?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180189378731" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:22:58] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy: You mean <wbr>someone else will <wbr>code the UI?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189390328" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:23:10] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>rcjsuen: I don't <wbr>see the need for <wbr>a UI.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189426040" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:23:46] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>CDT and JDT will <wbr>use the autoconf <wbr>facilities to discover <wbr>their dependencies.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189443497" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:24:03] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>We could provide <wbr>patches for CDT <wbr>and JDT.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180189493197" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:24:53] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>If there's no UI <wbr>then the user cannot <wbr>intervene with the <wbr>autodetection.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189510936" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:25:10] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Basically CDT and <wbr>JDT use OSGi preference <wbr>service to obtain <wbr>a service by some <wbr>identifier. autoconf <wbr>takes care of filling <wbr>up the preference.<wbr> either at startup <wbr>or on demand.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189554306" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:25:54] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>rcjsuen: since we <wbr>can't be sure of <wbr>the result of autoconf <wbr>anyway, a user will <wbr>always have to verify <wbr>the results.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180189566450" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:26:06] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>That's true.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189624308" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:27:04] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Something like: <wbr>A new JAVA project <wbr>gets created. JDT <wbr>asks preference <wbr>for JDK, autoconf <wbr>tries to discover <wbr>JDK. JDT shows the <wbr>rules to the user <wbr>in the project creation <wbr>wizard.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180189640640" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:27:20] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Sounds reasonable.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189687730" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:28:07] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>One thing is missing <wbr>in this however.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189688965" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:28:08] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Shouldn't it be:<wbr> JDT is installed.<wbr> autoconf discovers <wbr>JDK. JDT then shows <wbr>the rules to the <wbr>user during the <wbr>installation process</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189702406" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:28:22] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Who provides the <wbr>discovery rule. <wbr>I think those should <wbr>also come from JDT.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189753825" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:29:13] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I'd originally thought <wbr>this could be done <wbr>by the community <wbr>as well, but I think <wbr>that raises security <wbr>concenrs</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189755497" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:29:15] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Generally speaking <wbr>a consumer configures <wbr>autoconf to discover <wbr>a given service <wbr>id by a given rule.</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189780566" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:29:40] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: About which <wbr>installation process <wbr> are you talking?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189798492" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:29:58] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>the plugin "installation"<wbr> process</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180189905613" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:31:45] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: I wouldn'<wbr>t care so much for <wbr>the installation <wbr>of JDT or CDT. Disco<wbr>vering a certain <wbr>service is something <wbr>which is needed <wbr>when a new project <wbr>gets created...</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180189939840" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:32:19] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy: But won't <wbr>the same rule suffice <wbr>for any other Java <wbr>project (in the <wbr>case of JDT)?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190002699" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:33:22] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I don't get the <wbr>question, sorry.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190045116" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:34:05] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>So if you discovered,<wbr> say, the JDK while <wbr>starting one Java <wbr>project. Won't that <wbr>same JDK suffice <wbr>for any other Java <wbr>project that you <wbr>start?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190147564" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:35:47] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>each project can <wbr>depend on a different <wbr>jdk.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190170366" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:36:10] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I see</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180190179618" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:36:19] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>yeah, there's a <wbr>workspace setting,<wbr> but projects can <wbr>also pick their own</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190237289" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:37:17] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>It just seems to <wbr>me like it would <wbr>be annoying to have <wbr>to have to select <wbr>a JDK for every <wbr>project since (I'<wbr>m guessing) most <wbr>times, you'd want <wbr>to use the same JDK</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190268266" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:37:48] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>However, you have <wbr>an excellent point <wbr>that people mihgt <wbr>need per project <wbr>settings and so <wbr>we need to provide <wbr>that functionality</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190353599" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:39:13] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: normally <wbr>you manually add <wbr>several jdks to <wbr>your workspace. <wbr>each time you create <wbr>a new project in <wbr>that workspace, <wbr>you get to choose <wbr>from that list.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180190382091" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:39:42] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Depends on the projects,<wbr> PDEs have the Execution <wbr>Environment concept.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190449451" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:40:49] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>true</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190466909" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:41:06] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>but it's just another <wbr>layer on top of <wbr>jdks.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190567731" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:42:47] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="ACTION" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor">* </span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a></td><td class="msg-data"><span>feels the need for <wbr>a whiteboard</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190568684" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:42:48] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Ah. I think lemmy <wbr>is right in that <wbr>the autoconfplugin <wbr>finds all JDKs every <wbr>time a new project <wbr>is started (in case <wbr>a new one was installed <wbr>since the last autod<wbr>etect) and then <wbr>the user has the <wbr>choice of picking <wbr>a JDK from a list <wbr>or using the default</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190637311" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:43:57] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: Discovery <wbr>could either be <wbr>triggered from the <wbr>new project wizard <wbr>or in the workspace <wbr>wide "installed <wbr>jdks" preference <wbr>page.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180190645297" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:44:05] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>yeah</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180190661426" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:44:21] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I guess wherever <wbr>it has some kinda <wbr>Viewer that calls <wbr>like getInstalledJREs(<wbr>)</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190662192" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:44:22] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>This pretty much <wbr>applies to CDT, <wbr>PDT,...</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180190666099" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:44:26] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>it should do a redis<wbr>cover</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190681681" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:44:41] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>getInstalledJREs(<wbr>boolean rediscover)<span type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;)</span><span title=" ;)" type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190713283" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:45:13] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>discovery might <wbr>be expensive</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190719237" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:45:19] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>yup</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190733303" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:45:33] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Unfortunately I <wbr>don't see a way <wbr>around touching <wbr>JDT/CDT/... code.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190755543" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:45:55] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Except maybe with <wbr>some AOP magic.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190773001" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:46:13] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>And, for instance,<wbr> in the Ruby plugin,<wbr> you don't have <wbr>the option of choosing <wbr>runtimes. So if <wbr>autodiscovery takes <wbr>even a few extra <wbr>seconds, folk might <wbr>get pissed off that <wbr>this autocofn plugin <wbr>is slowin g their <wbr> Eclipse</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190782441" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:46:22] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>But I don't think <wbr>we should go that <wbr>road. It would rely <wbr>on internal stuff.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190797976" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:46:37] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>+down</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180190821341" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:47:01] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>yeah</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190853599" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:47:33] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Thinking about it.<wbr>.. I guess its more <wbr>like getService(Discovery<wbr>Rule rule, ServiceID id)</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190876574" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:47:56] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>and getService(ServiceID id)</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190891077" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:48:11] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>So for now, we stick <wbr>with the original <wbr>plan of filling <wbr>a table of services <wbr>and then slowly <wbr>converting other <wbr>plugins to use the <wbr>autoconf API</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190893593" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:48:13] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>?</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190929649" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:48:49] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: I guess <wbr>for the moment conve<wbr>rting means providing <wbr>patches.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180190938261" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:48:58] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>heheh</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180190964596" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:49:24] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>But why not, that'<wbr>s the usual way <wbr>anyway.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180190990164" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:49:50] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>yup. Unless the <wbr>plugins allow their <wbr>prefs to be publicly <wbr>written</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191006168" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:50:06] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>But I don't know <wbr>if lossa plugins <wbr>do that </span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191007794" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:50:07] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>We would provide <wbr>patches for the <wbr>big players like <wbr>JDT and CDT. Others <wbr>will write their <wbr>own patches later.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191012920" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:50:12] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>or if its good form <wbr>anyway</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191023079" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:50:23] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>okay</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191046569" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:50:46] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: you can'<wbr>t even be sure that <wbr>plug-ins store their <wbr>prefs with the normal <wbr>preference API.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191079405" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:51:19] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>true that</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191085532" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:51:25] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Overwriting those <wbr>"tables" would defin<wbr>itely mean accessing <wbr>internal API.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191098473" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:51:38] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>So it will have <wbr>to be by patching <wbr>the plugins themselv<wbr>es</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191112726" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:51:52] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Which, hopefully,<wbr> won't be immensely <wbr>difficult<span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :-)</span><span title=" :-)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191136029" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:52:16] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: Its tedious <wbr>work anyway. Just <wbr>adding a couple <wbr>of buttons and some <wbr>calls to the autoconf <wbr>api.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191304649" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:55:04] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Hmm, so maybe for <wbr>our next meeting,<wbr> I should make a <wbr>skeleton plugin <wbr>and define the API?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191320309" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:55:20] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I find it far more <wbr>interesting designing <wbr>the a generic discovery <wbr>engine.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191322919" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:55:22] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Or I coul dinstead <wbr>work on defining <wbr>rules in DRools <wbr>to see how it works.<wbr>..</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191357991" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:55:57] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>It would start with <wbr>drools to get a <wbr>feeling how the <wbr>external API needs <wbr>to look like.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191374510" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:56:14] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy: do you mean,<wbr> designing the heuri<wbr>stics that will <wbr>find any binary <wbr>given an ID or name?<wbr> (per your previous <wbr>comment)</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191435369" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:57:15] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Start with something <wbr>simple. A list of <wbr>possible locations <wbr>for a JDK.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191484272" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:58:04] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Ah OK. So it comes <wbr>down to:</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191492274" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:58:12] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>1. Play with Drools <wbr>and see how it works</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="zx" timestamp="1180191494353" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:58:14] zx!n=zx@cpe-24-28-10-168.austin.res.rr.com" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/zx,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>zx</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>the EE concept was <wbr>moved to JDT remmy,<wbr> no longer in PDE</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191505012" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:58:25] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>2. Write heuristics <wbr>for finding where <wbr>the JDK lives ina <wbr>system</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180191514795" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:58:34] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>zx: one less thing <wbr>for you to worry <wbr>about?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191529346" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:58:49] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Familiarize yourself <wbr>with PDE. Create <wbr>the initial plug-<wbr>in. Get a working <wbr>environment.<span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :)</span><span title=" :)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180191530502" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:58:50] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>zx: you need to <wbr>use like 'update <wbr>classpath' to stop <wbr>those annoying warnings <wbr>though</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191572372" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:59:32] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy: what do you <wbr>mean by working <wbr>environment?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180191582328" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:59:42] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>get Eclipse setup <wbr>and all that good <wbr>stuff</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191584047" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:59:44] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>zx: why not downwards <wbr>in the direction <wbr>of OSGi?</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="zx" timestamp="1180191593440" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:59:53] zx!n=zx@cpe-24-28-10-168.austin.res.rr.com" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/zx,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>zx</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy, well, EE <wbr>is in the spec</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180191598254" statusText="[2007-05-26 10:59:58] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy: an interesting <wbr>proposition</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="zx" timestamp="1180191620509" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:00:20] zx!n=zx@cpe-24-28-10-168.austin.res.rr.com" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/zx,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>zx</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>JDT provides the <wbr>tooling around EE</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191639326" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:00:39] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: configure <wbr>your Eclipse for <wbr>plug-in development.<wbr>..</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191648391" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:00:48] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>okey-dokey</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="zx" timestamp="1180191710141" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:01:50] zx!n=zx@cpe-24-28-10-168.austin.res.rr.com" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/zx,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>zx</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>need to start packing <wbr>for my flight that <wbr>leaves in 6 hours</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191712751" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:01:52] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy, rcjsuen: <wbr>Whew! I think we <wbr>got quite a bit <wbr>hashed out today.<wbr> Thanks for your <wbr>great ideas</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191720269" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:02:00] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>If there is a compilable <wbr>plug-in in the cvs <wbr>repository next <wbr>Saturday that takes <wbr>a collection of <wbr>possible fs locations <wbr>and returns a collection <wbr>of jdks...</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191753871" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:02:33] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy: gotcha<span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :-)</span><span title=" :-)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191762607" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:02:42] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>No need for fancy <wbr>API or UI yet. JUnit <wbr>tests do great.</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180191808119" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:03:28] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>yay unit tests<span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :)</span><span title=" :)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191840361" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:04:00] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>And it's ok if they <wbr>fail<span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :)</span><span title=" :)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180191863570" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:04:23] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>So true.</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180191873322" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:04:33] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>hahaha I'll make <wbr>a few fail just <wbr>for you<span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :-)</span><span title=" :-)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191915333" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:05:15] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>which reminds me.<wbr> I missed Wayne'<wbr>s test driven webcast.<wbr></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180191934041" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:05:34] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Fortunately it's <wbr>recorded somewhere.<span type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> :)</span><span title=" :)" type="face-smile" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180192009575" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:06:49] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3: are you <wbr>fine with it if <wbr>i send this chat <wbr>log to the soc-dev <wbr>mailing list, so <wbr>others get to know <wbr>what we're up to?</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180192042114" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:07:22] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I'm all for it. <wbr>Let 'em know we <wbr>been working hard<span type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;-)</span><span title=" ;-)" type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180192066714" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:07:46] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>zx: your flight <wbr>to bangalore?</span></td></tr><tr important="true" mark="even" msg-user="rcjsuen" timestamp="1180192116742" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:08:36] rcjsuen!i=rcjsuen@nat/ibm/x-0a9679874d1d9724" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/rcjsuen,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>rcjsuen</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>onnadi3:<span type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;)</span><span title=" ;)" type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="zx" timestamp="1180192180149" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:09:40] zx!n=zx@cpe-24-28-10-168.austin.res.rr.com" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/zx,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>zx</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>lemmy, yap, I messed <wbr>up my flights so <wbr>I get in 5 hours <wbr>before Wassim and <wbr>I have to give the <wbr>tutorial</span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="zx" timestamp="1180192189995" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:09:49] zx!n=zx@cpe-24-28-10-168.austin.res.rr.com" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/zx,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>zx</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>I guess I'll be <wbr>doing some tutorial <wbr>work on the plane<span type="face-laugh" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;D</span><span title=" ;D" type="face-laugh" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180192241664" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:10:41] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>a coworker will <wbr>attend your tutorial.<wbr> so you better do <wbr>a good job.<span type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote-txt"> ;)</span><span title=" ;)" type="face-wink" class="chatzilla-emote"></span></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="zx" timestamp="1180192259528" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:10:59] zx!n=zx@cpe-24-28-10-168.austin.res.rr.com" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/zx,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>zx</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>it'll be good, people <wbr>will leave empowered</span></td></tr><tr mark="even" msg-user="onnadi3 ME!" timestamp="1180192297225" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:11:37] onnadi3!n=chatzill@mississippi-lnx.cc.gatech.edu" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><span>onnadi3</span><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>Um...do any of you <wbr>know how to copy <wbr>chat logs so they <wbr>show nicely on a <wbr>wiki page? Eclipse <wbr>wiki scrunched up <wbr>all the text togehter?<wbr></span></td></tr><tr mark="odd" msg-user="lemmy" timestamp="1180192330421" statusText="[2007-05-26 11:12:10] lemmy!n=markus@eclipse/developer/Technology/lemmy" view-type="IRCChannel" dest-type="IRCChannel" msg-dest="#eclipse-soc" msg-type="PRIVMSG" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"></td><td class="msg-user"><span class="chatzilla-decor"><</span><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/lemmy,isnick" class="chatzilla-link"><span>lemmy</span></a><span class="chatzilla-decor">></span></td><td class="msg-data"><span>zx: temperature <wbr>has dropped slightly <wbr>here in India lately.<wbr> It won't be as <wbr>hot anymore as it <wbr>used to be.</span></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
| + | extra seconds, folk might get pissed off that this autocofn plugin is |
− | | + | slowin g their Eclipse |
− | </div>
| + | <lemmy> But I don't think we should go that road. It would rely on |
− | </body></html>
| + | internal stuff. |
| + | <lemmy> +down |
| + | <rcjsuen> yeah |
| + | <lemmy> Thinking about it... I guess its more like |
| + | getService(DiscoveryRule rule, ServiceID id) |
| + | <lemmy> and getService(ServiceID id) |
| + | <onnadi3> So for now, we stick with the original plan of filling a |
| + | table of services and then slowly converting other plugins to use the |
| + | autoconf API |
| + | <onnadi3> ? |
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: I guess for the moment converting means providing patches. |
| + | <rcjsuen> heheh |
| + | <lemmy> But why not, that's the usual way anyway. |
| + | <onnadi3> yup. Unless the plugins allow their prefs to be publicly written |
| + | <onnadi3> But I don't know if lossa plugins do that |
| + | <lemmy> We would provide patches for the big players like JDT and CDT. |
| + | Others will write their own patches later. |
| + | <onnadi3> or if its good form anyway |
| + | <onnadi3> okay |
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: you can't even be sure that plug-ins store their |
| + | prefs with the normal preference API. |
| + | <onnadi3> true that |
| + | <lemmy> Overwriting those "tables" would definitely mean accessing internal API. |
| + | <onnadi3> So it will have to be by patching the plugins themselves |
| + | <onnadi3> Which, hopefully, won't be immensely difficult :-) |
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: Its tedious work anyway. Just adding a couple of |
| + | buttons and some calls to the autoconf api. |
| + | <onnadi3> Hmm, so maybe for our next meeting, I should make a skeleton |
| + | plugin and define the API? |
| + | <lemmy> I find it far more interesting designing the a generic discovery engine. |
| + | <onnadi3> Or I coul dinstead work on defining rules in DRools to see |
| + | how it works... |
| + | <lemmy> It would start with drools to get a feeling how the external |
| + | API needs to look like. |
| + | <onnadi3> lemmy: do you mean, designing the heuristics that will find |
| + | any binary given an ID or name? (per your previous comment) |
| + | <lemmy> Start with something simple. A list of possible locations for a JDK. |
| + | <onnadi3> Ah OK. So it comes down to: |
| + | <onnadi3> 1. Play with Drools and see how it works |
| + | <zx> the EE concept was moved to JDT remmy, no longer in PDE |
| + | <onnadi3> 2. Write heuristics for finding where the JDK lives ina system |
| + | <rcjsuen> zx: one less thing for you to worry about? |
| + | <lemmy> Familiarize yourself with PDE. Create the initial plug-in. Get |
| + | a working environment. :) |
| + | <rcjsuen> zx: you need to use like 'update classpath' to stop those |
| + | annoying warnings though |
| + | <onnadi3> lemmy: what do you mean by working environment? |
| + | <rcjsuen> get Eclipse setup and all that good stuff |
| + | <lemmy> zx: why not downwards in the direction of OSGi? |
| + | <zx> lemmy, well, EE is in the spec |
| + | <rcjsuen> lemmy: an interesting proposition |
| + | <zx> JDT provides the tooling around EE |
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: configure your Eclipse for plug-in development... |
| + | <onnadi3> okey-dokey |
| + | <zx> need to start packing for my flight that leaves in 6 hours |
| + | <onnadi3> lemmy, rcjsuen: Whew! I think we got quite a bit hashed out |
| + | today. Thanks for your great ideas |
| + | <lemmy> If there is a compilable plug-in in the cvs repository next |
| + | Saturday that takes a collection of possible fs locations and returns |
| + | a collection of jdks... |
| + | <onnadi3> lemmy: gotcha :-) |
| + | <lemmy> No need for fancy API or UI yet. JUnit tests do great. |
| + | <rcjsuen> yay unit tests :) |
| + | <lemmy> And it's ok if they fail :) |
| + | <rcjsuen> So true. |
| + | <onnadi3> hahaha I'll make a few fail just for you :-) |
| + | <lemmy> which reminds me. I missed Wayne's test driven webcast. |
| + | <lemmy> Fortunately it's recorded somewhere. :) |
| + | <lemmy> onnadi3: are you fine with it if i send this chat log to the |
| + | soc-dev mailing list, so others get to know what we're up to? |
| + | <onnadi3> I'm all for it. Let 'em know we been working hard ;-) |
<onnadi3> Two things:
<lemmy> unfortunately I had no time to send out an agenda.
<onnadi3> 1. Weekly meeting times
<onnadi3> 2. Agenda for this coming month, or at least the next few weeks
<onnadi3> 3. Perhaps all get on the same page about hte project's objective
<onnadi3> (that's not 3, I know :-) )
<rcjsuen> I'm not sure when Philippe will send out an email for weekly meetings.
<rcjsuen> Since the program starts on Monday is it?
<onnadi3> yup
<lemmy> About 1. I'll be back in Germany 11th of June which should
allow us for more flexible meeting times.
<rcjsuen> I can't do weekday meetings since I have a full-time (internship) job.
<lemmy> I'm rather busy through the week myself and would prefer
meetings on the weekend too.
<onnadi3> Alright. Should we perhaps stick with this time until we
find a better time?
<rcjsuen> Saturday mornings are no problem with me.
<lemmy> Sounds like a plan to me.
<onnadi3> Alrighty! Next up, 2. Agenda for this coming month,
<lemmy> We definitely need to setup SCM.
<lemmy> onnadi3: Have you started the Eclipse IP process already?
<onnadi3> I thought, the eclipse-dev folks were going to send out an
e-mail to all of us en masse
<lemmy> Lets check the soc bug again...
<rcjsuen> wizEpit: Hi wizEpit, don't think I've seen you around, are
you a student?
<rcjsuen> yeah, It's been a while, I don't really remember the details
<rcjsuen> Can always just use SF for now.
<rcjsuen> we all did so last yr anyway ;p
<lemmy> We should get the process started anyway. Don't you agree that
the code might end up in Eclipse?
<onnadi3> Yes yes yes
<rcjsuen> I'm not sure which project would consume it though.
<lemmy> It will be easier if the code is already at eclipse.org i guess.
<lemmy> Do you have a SF id ogechi?
<rcjsuen> lemmy: Right
<rcjsuen> I think I added him already
<onnadi3> No. But I have a google id and I have used Google's project
hosting before
<onnadi3> Its really easy
<rcjsuen> okay i guess not the n;p
<lemmy> I would prefer to use SF. Eclipse GSoC has a project set up already.
<lemmy> And GSoC doesn't require us to use their facilities.
<lemmy> http://sourceforge.net/projects/eclipse-incub
<onnadi3> lemmy: so all the past GSoC projects are held in SF under
one source tree?
<rcjsuen> not "all"
<rcjsuen> some...didn't ;p
<rcjsuen> http://eclipse-incub.cvs.sourceforge.net/eclipse-incub/
<rcjsuen> by some i mean lots
<onnadi3> :-)
<rcjsuen> I don't know how strict pombreda is going to be this year though ;)
<rcjsuen> It's just easier for the populace to find GSOC code.
<rcjsuen> If they're all in one place, naturally.
<onnadi3> OK. THat makes sense.
<onnadi3> So once I get an SF id, I can e-mail rcjsuen to get added to
the incub project?
<lemmy> you can email either remy or me.
<lemmy> or both of us and see who acts fiirst. ;)
<rcjsuen> We all have admin rights actually.
<rcjsuen> You can just speak up here.
<rcjsuen> Someone with free time will do it.
<lemmy> What about CVS vs SVN?
<onnadi3> SVN, unless someones has a strong opposition to it...
<rcjsuen> You're supposed to use CVS.
<rcjsuen> lol
<onnadi3> oops
<lemmy> Says pombreda ?
<rcjsuen> Says pombreda alright.
<lemmy> Eclipse.org offers SVN, so does SF.
<onnadi3> I thought so , too
<rcjsuen> We picked CVS because of the lower barrier of entry.
<rcjsuen> That was my vote +1 for CVS.
<rcjsuen> Even though I would gladly -infinity to CVS.
<lemmy> Barrier for who?
<rcjsuen> Since I can't stand 1.x version numbers.
<rcjsuen> lemmy: Fora nyone
<lemmy> I'm fine with both and with pombreda opting for CVS lets use CVS then.
<onnadi3> <sigh> CVS it is, I guess :-)
<rcjsuen> Sorry
<lemmy> rcjsuen: No need to be sorry. CVS is fine for us.
<onnadi3> Except for creating directories *ahem*
<onnadi3> :-)
<lemmy> Who cares if a file history is broken. ;)
<onnadi3> :-)
<onnadi3> Well, now that that is settled, should we move into my goals
for the next meeting?
<lemmy> sure
<rcjsuen> sounds good
<onnadi3> I was thinking I'd draw out different scenarios in which the
plugin would be used
<onnadi3> e.g.
<onnadi3> 1. Let's say you dl the autoconf plugin then download the
C++ plugin, the autoconf plugin will automatically determine what the
C++ plugin needs and try to find them
<lemmy> onnadi3: the autoconf plugin refers to your plugin?
<onnadi3> Yeah
<lemmy> do you want the autoconf plugin to know about cdt?
<rcjsuen> That'd require some identical plug-in ID + version magic
<onnadi3> Well, I think it would be beneficial, from the user
standpoint, to have the autoconf plugin keep as large a db as feasible
of plugins and their requirements
<lemmy> actually I don't think autoconf should know about it consumers.
<onnadi3> that way, it looks like magic to the user
<onnadi3> Of course, we would also want to provide an API for the
autconf plugin so that newer plugins can make their requirements
autconfable
<lemmy> IMO autoconf should only provide the framework to discover
"services". consumers then provide autoconf with rules to discover
actual servies.
<rcjsuen> It'd be tough to maintain since I'm assuming those plug-ins
mark a lot of preferences stuff as internal.
<lemmy> remy: that's why i don't like the idea of shipping discovery
rules with autoconf
<lemmy> btw. autoconf is a working title? ;)
<rcjsuen> I guess
<onnadi3> Sounds fine to me :)
<onnadi3> Hmm, of course our main aim won't be collating all the
requirements for every single plugin, but I think it would be useful
to allow the capability so that the more common older plugins are
autoconfable
<lemmy> sure, provide a few exemplary rules like jdk, gcc, ... but
nothing specific.
<lemmy> It's a nice vision to allow for older plug-ins to benefit from
autoconf though.
<onnadi3> So, should we go through the other scenarios now or is that
something I should flesh out more during the week?
<lemmy> tbh lets try to get a strong and fairly generic framework
running before we concentrate on creating a big database.
<rcjsuen> Agreed.
<onnadi3> Agreed
<lemmy> A database is something that could live from contributions.
<rcjsuen> Very true, services / extensions.
<onnadi3> So another scenario would be when the C++ plugin has already
been installed and then the autoconf plugin is installed afterwards
<onnadi3> In that case, the user would have to click a button or
something to request that the C++ requirements be found
<onnadi3> I could do sketches of what this would look like during the week
<rcjsuen> yes, that seems reasonable
<rcjsuen> like if they installed a new JRE and it's the new JAVA_HOME
<rcjsuen> could possibly update that or whatever
<lemmy> It seems if I have a slightly different vision for autoconf. I
see it more like a fundamental service without a real UI.
<onnadi3> ah
<onnadi3> So perhaps we should focus on the service first, and then if
there's any time left, work on prettifying?
<rcjsuen> lemmy: You mean someone else will code the UI?
<lemmy> rcjsuen: I don't see the need for a UI.
<lemmy> CDT and JDT will use the autoconf facilities to discover their
dependencies.
<lemmy> We could provide patches for CDT and JDT.
<rcjsuen> If there's no UI then the user cannot intervene with the
autodetection.
<lemmy> Basically CDT and JDT use OSGi preference service to obtain a
service by some identifier. autoconf takes care of filling up the
preference. either at startup or on demand.
<lemmy> rcjsuen: since we can't be sure of the result of autoconf
anyway, a user will always have to verify the results.
<rcjsuen> That's true.
<lemmy> Something like: A new JAVA project gets created. JDT asks
preference for JDK, autoconf tries to discover JDK. JDT shows the
rules to the user in the project creation wizard.
<rcjsuen> Sounds reasonable.
<lemmy> One thing is missing in this however.
<onnadi3> Shouldn't it be: JDT is installed. autoconf discovers JDK.
JDT then shows the rules to the user during the installation process
<lemmy> Who provides the discovery rule. I think those should also
come from JDT.
<onnadi3> I'd originally thought this could be done by the community
as well, but I think that raises security concenrs
<lemmy> Generally speaking a consumer configures autoconf to discover
a given service id by a given rule.
<lemmy> onnadi3: About which installation process are you talking?
<onnadi3> the plugin "installation" process
<lemmy> onnadi3: I wouldn't care so much for the installation of JDT
or CDT. Discovering a certain service is something which is needed
when a new project gets created...
<onnadi3> lemmy: But won't the same rule suffice for any other Java
project (in the case of JDT)?
<lemmy> I don't get the question, sorry.
<onnadi3> So if you discovered, say, the JDK while starting one Java
project. Won't that same JDK suffice for any other Java project that
you start?
<lemmy> each project can depend on a different jdk.
<onnadi3> I see
<rcjsuen> yeah, there's a workspace setting, but projects can also
pick their own
<onnadi3> It just seems to me like it would be annoying to have to
have to select a JDK for every project since (I'm guessing) most
times, you'd want to use the same JDK
<onnadi3> However, you have an excellent point that people mihgt need
per project settings and so we need to provide that functionality
<lemmy> onnadi3: normally you manually add several jdks to your
workspace. each time you create a new project in that workspace, you
get to choose from that list.
<rcjsuen> Depends on the projects, PDEs have the Execution Environment concept.
<lemmy> true
<lemmy> but it's just another layer on top of jdks.
<onnadi3> Ah. I think lemmy is right in that the autoconfplugin finds
all JDKs every time a new project is started (in case a new one was
installed since the last autodetect) and then the user has the choice
of picking a JDK from a list or using the default
<lemmy> onnadi3: Discovery could either be triggered from the new
project wizard or in the workspace wide "installed jdks" preference
page.
<rcjsuen> yeah
<rcjsuen> I guess wherever it has some kinda Viewer that calls like
getInstalledJREs()
<lemmy> This pretty much applies to CDT, PDT,...
<rcjsuen> it should do a rediscover
<lemmy> getInstalledJREs(boolean rediscover) ;)
<lemmy> discovery might be expensive
<onnadi3> yup
<lemmy> Unfortunately I don't see a way around touching JDT/CDT/... code.
<lemmy> Except maybe with some AOP magic.
<onnadi3> And, for instance, in the Ruby plugin, you don't have the
option of choosing runtimes. So if autodiscovery takes even a few
extra seconds, folk might get pissed off that this autocofn plugin is
slowin g their Eclipse
<lemmy> But I don't think we should go that road. It would rely on
internal stuff.
<lemmy> +down
<rcjsuen> yeah
<lemmy> Thinking about it... I guess its more like
getService(DiscoveryRule rule, ServiceID id)
<lemmy> and getService(ServiceID id)
<onnadi3> So for now, we stick with the original plan of filling a
table of services and then slowly converting other plugins to use the
autoconf API
<onnadi3> ?
<lemmy> onnadi3: I guess for the moment converting means providing patches.
<rcjsuen> heheh
<lemmy> But why not, that's the usual way anyway.
<onnadi3> yup. Unless the plugins allow their prefs to be publicly written
<onnadi3> But I don't know if lossa plugins do that
<lemmy> We would provide patches for the big players like JDT and CDT.
Others will write their own patches later.
<onnadi3> or if its good form anyway
<onnadi3> okay
<lemmy> onnadi3: you can't even be sure that plug-ins store their
prefs with the normal preference API.
<onnadi3> true that
<lemmy> Overwriting those "tables" would definitely mean accessing internal API.
<onnadi3> So it will have to be by patching the plugins themselves
<onnadi3> Which, hopefully, won't be immensely difficult :-)
<lemmy> onnadi3: Its tedious work anyway. Just adding a couple of
buttons and some calls to the autoconf api.
<onnadi3> Hmm, so maybe for our next meeting, I should make a skeleton
plugin and define the API?
<lemmy> I find it far more interesting designing the a generic discovery engine.
<onnadi3> Or I coul dinstead work on defining rules in DRools to see
how it works...
<lemmy> It would start with drools to get a feeling how the external
API needs to look like.
<onnadi3> lemmy: do you mean, designing the heuristics that will find
any binary given an ID or name? (per your previous comment)
<lemmy> Start with something simple. A list of possible locations for a JDK.
<onnadi3> Ah OK. So it comes down to:
<onnadi3> 1. Play with Drools and see how it works
<zx> the EE concept was moved to JDT remmy, no longer in PDE
<onnadi3> 2. Write heuristics for finding where the JDK lives ina system
<rcjsuen> zx: one less thing for you to worry about?
<lemmy> Familiarize yourself with PDE. Create the initial plug-in. Get
a working environment. :)
<rcjsuen> zx: you need to use like 'update classpath' to stop those
annoying warnings though
<onnadi3> lemmy: what do you mean by working environment?
<rcjsuen> get Eclipse setup and all that good stuff
<lemmy> zx: why not downwards in the direction of OSGi?
<zx> lemmy, well, EE is in the spec
<rcjsuen> lemmy: an interesting proposition
<zx> JDT provides the tooling around EE
<lemmy> onnadi3: configure your Eclipse for plug-in development...
<onnadi3> okey-dokey
<zx> need to start packing for my flight that leaves in 6 hours
<onnadi3> lemmy, rcjsuen: Whew! I think we got quite a bit hashed out
today. Thanks for your great ideas
<lemmy> If there is a compilable plug-in in the cvs repository next
Saturday that takes a collection of possible fs locations and returns
a collection of jdks...
<onnadi3> lemmy: gotcha :-)
<lemmy> No need for fancy API or UI yet. JUnit tests do great.
<rcjsuen> yay unit tests :)
<lemmy> And it's ok if they fail :)
<rcjsuen> So true.
<onnadi3> hahaha I'll make a few fail just for you :-)
<lemmy> which reminds me. I missed Wayne's test driven webcast.
<lemmy> Fortunately it's recorded somewhere. :)
<lemmy> onnadi3: are you fine with it if i send this chat log to the
soc-dev mailing list, so others get to know what we're up to?
<onnadi3> I'm all for it. Let 'em know we been working hard ;-)