Architecture Council/Minutes November 13 2008
|Meeting Title:||Architecture Council Monthly Meeting|
|Date & Time:|| Thursday November 13, 2008 at 1600 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin|
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- See the Attendance Tracking Poll for this meeting, and this message for how to use it. All AC Members are invited.
- Signed-up: Chris Aniszczyk, Wayne "Mad Dog" Beaton, Eugene Chan, Neil Hauge, Markus Knauer, Ed Merks, Martin Oberhuber, Andrew Overholt, Bernd Kolb (to proxy Karsten Schmidt), Darin Swanson, Tom Watson, Michael Scharf
- Regrets: David Carver, Oliver Cole, Doug Gaff, Richard Gronback, Oisin Hurley, Mike Milinkovich, Georg Schmidt, Gunnar Wagenknecht, Darin Wright
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Action Items
- Last meeting Architecture Council/Minutes October 9 2008#Action Items
- (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for mylyn. One more to follow before publicly announcing?
- (old) MichaelS to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
- (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC
- (old) Everyone to hyperlink to their Bio on the Architecture Council/Members and Mentors page
- (old) Everyone to hyperlink on the new Architecture Council/Links Collection to interesting architecture-related blogs, articles or other resources
- (old) All PMC's to list mentor-less projects in their domain on the Architecture Council/Members and Mentors#Projects that need mentors page: Wayne for Technology, McQ for Eclipse, Ed for Modeling, Tom for RT; WTP to add ATF to the page
- Wayne to file bug for portal to add fields for project mentors
- Ed, Gunnar, Karsten to E-Mail their affiliation to Anne Jacko <email@example.com>
- Georg bug 250348 questions / things unclear for him as a new AC member
- Martin to start a Wiki page explaining what's good about having a mentor
- Martin to contact David Orme - he wants to think about it
- Martin bug 250320 ask webmaster to create eclipse.org-committers-announce mailing list
- Martin bug 250315 asking for better attendance tracking at AC meetings
- Martin bug 250317 for discussing ways of spreading EMO information
- New Members: Tom Schindl (appointed), Karsten Schmidt (Strategic Consumer Rep), Sven Efftinge (new Strategic Member)
- Ed Merks working for itemis? - Bylaws say no Strategic member rep in that case
- Linda Chan proposal
- Our existing Charter Architecture Council#How Do I Become A Member of the Architecture Council? requires: "simple majority of +1's"... that's hard to achieve, even not counting dormant members! And we didn't quite observe it for Tom and Dave recently. Bjorn?
- Linda is BIRT committer -- rather than appointing her personally, the DTP or BIRT PMC could nominate her as representative
- Tracking Meeting Attendance - Doodle
- 4 members became dormant - see Architecture Council/Members and Mentors
- Some Bio's still not filled in: Bjorn (and some others) to become dormant?
- Dormant status mostly to reflect responsiveness to voting. Richard Gronback for instance been very responsive but not involved in discussions.
- Martin in favor of sending a Dormant Announcement E-Mail if in doubt, even if "some" activity was there, as a reminder for the member... don't want to be overly picky though
- Projects in need of Mentors
- bug Faceted Project Framework (FPF) - thanks Neil Hauge and Oisin Hurley
- bug 254906 FireFly DevKit - thanks Doug Gaff and Gunnar Wagenknecht
- Others, see Architecture Council/Members and Mentors#Projects that need mentors: ACTF, Aperi, ALF, Apogee, COSMOS, PDT -- AI File a Bug (best have the project file one), use this link for filing the bug
- How do projects find/attract a mentor? Filing bug is good for us, but I'm told it's inconvenient for projects... do we just need to document it better? Or allow them to contact AC members privately... bug 251747 private discussions?
- Janet's E-Mail asking PMC's and AC to answer IP/Legal related questions:
- PMC's and AC are expected to know the FAQ's better, we can answer questions by pointing at the FAQ's
- We need a good backup channel to the EMO for IP/Legal questions we cannot answer. MikeM: going to create a "closed group" on IPZilla for asking Mike's opinion.
- Architecture Council/F2F ESE 2008
- Everybody signed up who can be there?
- Martin would like some actual work discussions, not just informal gathering, we've got enough bugs to discuss.. agenda?
News from the EMO & Councils
- Don: StAC meeting at Eclipse World -- outcome?
- Wayne: Community Development for Eclipse Projects page
- bug 252015 Here is something you should know, can we start implementing it? who will back it?
- EMO: bug 250317 How to officially communicate Requirements (as per the board, dev process, IP policy...) to the PMCs, Project Leads, Committers?
- RC - Roadmap Process: RequirementsCouncilThemesAndPriorities - are we happy with it?
- PC - Richard Gronback: New Galileo Requirements from the Planning Council?
- Must do: Use only Published API by M6
- Must do: Provide basic Capability / Activity Definitions by M6
- Must do: Use Babel by M6
- bug 167144 "eclipse.common" bundle -- Bundle / Project granularity?
Recent EAC bugs on Process and other topics
- bug 253889 JIRA vs bugzilla - just close it?
- bug 249371 The new Eclipse.org homepage
- bug 249959 Copyright Header in checked-in generated artifacts
- bug 249745 Repository Best Practices (Subversive vs Subclipse); Mercurial, Git Bazaar
- bug 246840 Jobs and ISchedulingRules - discussion concluded - what is CCRC?
- bug 246945 Interfacing with Libs that are not EPL Compatible (mostly LGPL)
How to start Releng?
- How to start a releng project for unattended builds on the ML - PDE build docs are good but only half the story
- Bjorn, NickB & Denis CBI Build Workshop 3: Build Hard With A Purpose but is that an answer for now? Current status?
- CBI being adopted by Paul Webster for e4
- Refer people to clone existing projects' releng? Which ones are good?
Top Ten Recommendations
- Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations - should we start sorting them?
- Architecture Council/Links Collection - want more, more, more!
Relationship to E4
- E4/Pervasive Themes - Performance, Memory Footprint, Bloat (Boris' Blog), Concurrency
- Invite E4 to present to the EAC?
- Examples: bug 245573 comment 12 (Dali JPA Tools Deadlock, John CC'd to EAC); bug 246840 discussion about ISchedulingRule (saving project preferences)
- What is causing issues?
- work performed during class loading (Activator.start()) - unknown context, can run at unpredictable times
- work performed in callbacks - unknown context, avoid synchronous callbacks
- General recommendations: (e.g. avoid synchronous callbacks, avoid in Activator.start(), static initializers or Singleton getters) - a general recommendation could be to avoid performing work at unpredictable times, but that would recommend against lazy initialization in general
- Does anybody have a well-working, consistent model on top of the current infrastructure?
- Totally new concurrency mechanism as part of E4 ?
- Better Javadoc ?
- Example: ISchedulingRule.isConflicting() vs. ISchedulingRule.contains(), and how does it relate to RuleFactory and MultiRule?
- Articles ? - John referenced the resource-deltas article
Mentoring New Projects
- We need more Architecture Council members to step up and become project mentors
- New projects require two mentors (a Good Thing™)
- How do new projects find/attract a mentor?
- Mailing list, bugzilla?
- "Work the crowd"
- What could be improved?
- Webpage improvements: more pre-canned content for new projects (like Sourceforge)?
Other Ideas for Discussion
- Mentoring Galileo: What could be improved?
- Running each project's unittests with full Galileo installed; especially interesting for Performance tests
- Don't duplicate work done by the Planning Council
- Integrated bug reporting: Mylyn is providing a bug/error/enhancement reporting facility that will provide a flexible and product-configurable mapping between features, bundles and bug trackers bug 212209 (Example: http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/8/86/Mylyn-Bug-Reporting-Example.jpg ). Do we want this for Galileo?
- E4 now has bi-weekly calls -- won't discuss E4 on the EAC unless asked / invited
- Eclipse Pain Points
- Performance & Memory Footprint, Bloat
- Restrictions on Resource model (Maven)
- IP due diligence and the processes around it
- Lots of these issues are already worked on by E4, and/or Committer Representatives at the Board, and/or the Planning Council
- But the EAC's charter includes identifying and naming pain pionts... anything not yet being addressed?