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| − | * '''In attendance:''' | + | * '''In attendance:''' Mikael Barbero, Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Mickael Istria, Marc-Andre Laperle, Martin Lippert, Dani Megert, Alexander Nyssen, Martin O, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, Julien Vermillard, Gunnar Wagenknecht |
* '''Regrets:''' Jay Jay Billings, Neil Hauge, Jonas Helming, Maximilian Kögel, Pascal Rapicault, Matthias Sohn, Krum Tsvetkov, | * '''Regrets:''' Jay Jay Billings, Neil Hauge, Jonas Helming, Maximilian Kögel, Pascal Rapicault, Matthias Sohn, Krum Tsvetkov, | ||
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* Welcome Mikael Barbero | * Welcome Mikael Barbero | ||
| + | ** Working for the Eclipse Foundation - technical lead of the FEEP program, currently working on some Platform bugs (Jobs framework) | ||
| + | ** Previously worked on Mylyn, still quite involved but not the main focus any more | ||
* EclipseCon Europe Oct 25-27 F2F ? | * EclipseCon Europe Oct 25-27 F2F ? | ||
| + | ** Room scheduled for Wed after sessions but before the reception - '''AI Wayne''' send E-Mail Notice | ||
* [[Architecture Council/Members and Mentors]] cleanup | * [[Architecture Council/Members and Mentors]] cleanup | ||
| + | ** 49 active members plus 19 dormant ones as of today | ||
| + | |||
| + | === UI Best Practices: Ultimate Package === | ||
| + | * Doug: UI-best-practices Initiative | ||
| + | ** Quite active initially, calmed down a little bit over the past 2 weeks | ||
| + | ** Planning to bring up a couple topics, probably after EclipseCon Europe | ||
| + | ** Doug's Building an "Eclipse Ultimate Package" from Eclipse.org PLUS popular packages from the Community | ||
| + | *** Building on Github, based on packages with most active use, not necessarily hosted at Eclipse.org | ||
| + | *** Basically J2EE + Committers packages + C/C++, + Pydev + Angular2 plus couple small ones - open for more ideas | ||
| + | *** About 700MB right now - not quite as huge as Ed's Eierlegende Wollmilchsau | ||
| + | ** Planning to use that as a starter for further discussions | ||
| + | ** Wayne: With the new IP Policy Changes, there's no roadblock any more to including plugins like Pydev and hosting from Eclipse.org | ||
| + | ** MichaelS: Likes Webstorm's "small and simple initially but growing over time" | ||
| + | *** Doug: As a UI exercise, focus is on everything playing nicely together ... incremental install would be a 2nd step. Plugins should be "inactive" until actually needed | ||
| + | *** From C/C++ to Android to Angular all in one workspace | ||
| + | *** Over 100 features added to the .product file for now | ||
| + | *** Might leave some stuff (like Arduino) in the Marketplace if they are not used overly much | ||
| + | * Conversations on UX mailing list have been really helpful so far | ||
| + | ** At some point will collect into a Wiki | ||
| + | * Q: Could the Ultimate Edition perhaps even include the JRE ? - Getting a lot of defects due to that... | ||
| + | ** Wayne: It's possible, at least with OpenJDK; just somebody needs to take a CQ through the process (though this opens up many additional questions ... like JRE or JDK, ...) probably to be handled in EPP | ||
| + | ** The C/C++ EPP could probably benefit from having a JRE | ||
| + | ** Doug: How to keep up with security updates | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Automatic Crash Reporting === | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Martin: Automatic Crash Reporting for unresponsive Eclipse (when the in-process AERI doesn't work) | ||
| + | ** '''Screenshot bot''' -- code already exists as part of the unittests | ||
| + | *** Marcel: Can be contributed via AERI extension point today | ||
| + | ** '''Crash / deadlock reporter (like Firefox)''' -- maybe spawn separate process from eclipse.exe ? | ||
| + | *** Had some discussions, but it was unclear who would really review reports from hard exits; | ||
| + | *** If a reviewer is found, then finding and uploading the hs_err*.log dumps would be possible easily | ||
| + | *** In general, the system falls short if there is no reviewer ... could possible culprits be identified from the dump ? | ||
| + | *** Codetrails is working on a JVMTI agent to give access to all local variables when an exception is thrown (not sure yet if that's going to become Open Source); new analyzers on the server side could be plugged in through APIs | ||
| + | *** '''AI Martin''' follow up via direct E-Mail, then perhaps continue discussion on the next call | ||
| + | * Wayne: A lot of exceptions are logged as errors which aren't errors (like user entering an invalid path) | ||
| + | ** Doug: | ||
| + | ** Wayne opening bugs / patches where he can | ||
| + | ** ''What to Log and how'' could be a candidate for an AC Recommendation | ||
| + | ** Marcel: Maybe there's a need for an additional log category like "User Error" to differentiate between Program Errors and | ||
| + | *** Developers do go to the error log if something doesn't work as expected ... | ||
| + | *** Doug: That should not be an UX guideline !! | ||
| + | *** '''AI Wayne''' create a bugzilla for follow-up discussion | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Wayne: Type A/B IP Policy Changes === | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Board has approved a new type of IP Check: | ||
| + | ** "Type A" just checks for compatible licenses without full provenience check | ||
| + | ** "Type B" is what we've done so far over the years (full due diligence) | ||
| + | ** Rolling out to a handful of projects for now | ||
| + | *** Using FOSSology to do their license checks | ||
| + | *** Intent moving towards that tool in 2017 for self-serve due diligence; anticipate 80% to be doable by the project leads themselves using those tools | ||
| + | *** Will be at EclipseCon to talk; some things not yet clear such as a Type B project consuming Type A dependencies | ||
| + | *** Planning Council decided sticking to status quo for now, ie allow only Type B ... but that might change | ||
| + | ** Suggestion: Find better names for Type A ("license checked") vs type B ("provenance checked and scanned") | ||
| + | *** Dani: By nature, it's close to "Apache" (Type A) vs "Eclipse" (Type B) but that's proably not usable | ||
| + | |||
| + | === User Storage: SDK Docs === | ||
| + | * Marcel had trouble finding API Docs, especially for the login parts | ||
| + | * Eike handed it over to a separate project, no longer leading | ||
| + | ** Original authentication docs were in the Javadocs (though not published) | ||
| + | ** The team added OAuth later, don't know about details - '''AI Eike''' try clarifying | ||
| + | * Marcel pinged Antoine Thomas but links didn't help much... Docs don't help today using the facilities offered by Eclipse.org | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Other Items === | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Quality of the Eclipse Marketplace Plugin | ||
| + | ** Not quite ready for public discussion; '''AI Martin''' add to next month's call | ||
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| Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Thursday October 13, 2016 at 1100 Ottawa  HTML |  iCal
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Contents
Attendees
- In attendance: Mikael Barbero, Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Mickael Istria, Marc-Andre Laperle, Martin Lippert, Dani Megert, Alexander Nyssen, Martin O, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, Julien Vermillard, Gunnar Wagenknecht
- Regrets: Jay Jay Billings, Neil Hauge, Jonas Helming, Maximilian Kögel, Pascal Rapicault, Matthias Sohn, Krum Tsvetkov,
#PMC_Rep_Attendees see also below.
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
- Last meeting: Architecture Council/Meetings/August 11 2016 -- open actions see #Action_Items
New Topics
- Welcome Mikael Barbero
- Working for the Eclipse Foundation - technical lead of the FEEP program, currently working on some Platform bugs (Jobs framework)
- Previously worked on Mylyn, still quite involved but not the main focus any more
- EclipseCon Europe Oct 25-27 F2F ?
- Room scheduled for Wed after sessions but before the reception - AI Wayne send E-Mail Notice
- Architecture Council/Members and Mentors cleanup
- 49 active members plus 19 dormant ones as of today
UI Best Practices: Ultimate Package
- Doug: UI-best-practices Initiative
- Quite active initially, calmed down a little bit over the past 2 weeks
- Planning to bring up a couple topics, probably after EclipseCon Europe
- Doug's Building an "Eclipse Ultimate Package" from Eclipse.org PLUS popular packages from the Community
- Building on Github, based on packages with most active use, not necessarily hosted at Eclipse.org
- Basically J2EE + Committers packages + C/C++, + Pydev + Angular2 plus couple small ones - open for more ideas
- About 700MB right now - not quite as huge as Ed's Eierlegende Wollmilchsau
- Planning to use that as a starter for further discussions
- Wayne: With the new IP Policy Changes, there's no roadblock any more to including plugins like Pydev and hosting from Eclipse.org
- MichaelS: Likes Webstorm's "small and simple initially but growing over time"
- Doug: As a UI exercise, focus is on everything playing nicely together ... incremental install would be a 2nd step. Plugins should be "inactive" until actually needed
- From C/C++ to Android to Angular all in one workspace
- Over 100 features added to the .product file for now
- Might leave some stuff (like Arduino) in the Marketplace if they are not used overly much
- Conversations on UX mailing list have been really helpful so far
- At some point will collect into a Wiki
- Q: Could the Ultimate Edition perhaps even include the JRE ? - Getting a lot of defects due to that...
- Wayne: It's possible, at least with OpenJDK; just somebody needs to take a CQ through the process (though this opens up many additional questions ... like JRE or JDK, ...) probably to be handled in EPP
- The C/C++ EPP could probably benefit from having a JRE
- Doug: How to keep up with security updates
Automatic Crash Reporting
- Martin: Automatic Crash Reporting for unresponsive Eclipse (when the in-process AERI doesn't work)
- Screenshot bot -- code already exists as part of the unittests
- Marcel: Can be contributed via AERI extension point today
- Crash / deadlock reporter (like Firefox) -- maybe spawn separate process from eclipse.exe ?
- Had some discussions, but it was unclear who would really review reports from hard exits;
- If a reviewer is found, then finding and uploading the hs_err*.log dumps would be possible easily
- In general, the system falls short if there is no reviewer ... could possible culprits be identified from the dump ?
- Codetrails is working on a JVMTI agent to give access to all local variables when an exception is thrown (not sure yet if that's going to become Open Source); new analyzers on the server side could be plugged in through APIs
- AI Martin follow up via direct E-Mail, then perhaps continue discussion on the next call
- Screenshot bot -- code already exists as part of the unittests
- Wayne: A lot of exceptions are logged as errors which aren't errors (like user entering an invalid path)
- Doug:
- Wayne opening bugs / patches where he can
- What to Log and how could be a candidate for an AC Recommendation
- Marcel: Maybe there's a need for an additional log category like "User Error" to differentiate between Program Errors and
- Developers do go to the error log if something doesn't work as expected ...
- Doug: That should not be an UX guideline !!
- AI Wayne create a bugzilla for follow-up discussion
Wayne: Type A/B IP Policy Changes
- Board has approved a new type of IP Check:
- "Type A" just checks for compatible licenses without full provenience check
- "Type B" is what we've done so far over the years (full due diligence)
- Rolling out to a handful of projects for now
- Using FOSSology to do their license checks
- Intent moving towards that tool in 2017 for self-serve due diligence; anticipate 80% to be doable by the project leads themselves using those tools
- Will be at EclipseCon to talk; some things not yet clear such as a Type B project consuming Type A dependencies
- Planning Council decided sticking to status quo for now, ie allow only Type B ... but that might change
- Suggestion: Find better names for Type A ("license checked") vs type B ("provenance checked and scanned")
- Dani: By nature, it's close to "Apache" (Type A) vs "Eclipse" (Type B) but that's proably not usable
User Storage: SDK Docs
- Marcel had trouble finding API Docs, especially for the login parts
- Eike handed it over to a separate project, no longer leading
- Original authentication docs were in the Javadocs (though not published)
- The team added OAuth later, don't know about details - AI Eike try clarifying
- Marcel pinged Antoine Thomas but links didn't help much... Docs don't help today using the facilities offered by Eclipse.org
Other Items
- Quality of the Eclipse Marketplace Plugin
- Not quite ready for public discussion; AI Martin add to next month's call
PMC Rep Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
| BIRT: | Gary Xue | |
| DTP: | Brian Payton | Linda Chan |
| Eclipse: | Dani Megert | Mike Wilson |
| Modeling: | Ed Merks | Cédric Brun Eike Stepper |
| Mylyn: | Steffen Pingel | Mik Kersten |
| RT: | Christian Campo | Tom Watson Doug Clarke Ian Bull |
| SOA: | Adrian Mos | Marc Dutoo |
| Technology: | Gunnar Wagenknecht | Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | Doug Schaefer | |
| WTP: | Chuck Bridgham | Neil Hauge |
| LocationTech: | Jim Hughes | |
| IoT: | Julien Vermillard |