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We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:
 
We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:

Revision as of 13:07, 12 November 2009

Meeting Title: Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time: Thursday November 12, 2009 at 1600 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin
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Attendees

All AC Members are invited.

  • PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: Wenfeng Li Gary Xue
DTP: Brian Payton Linda Chan
DSDP: Doug Gaff Martin Oberhuber
Eclipse: Mike Wilson John Arthorne
Modeling: Ed Merks Cédric Brun
RT: Jeff McAffer Jochen Krause
Tom Watson
STP: Oisin Hurley Antoine Toulme
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: Doug Schaefer
TPTP: Eugene Chan Oliver Cole
Joanna Kubasta
WTP: Tim deBoer Dave Carver
Dave Williams
  • Signed-up:
    • Eugene, Darin Wright, Neil Hauge, Oisin, Linda Chan, Wayne Beaton, Mary Ruddy, Martin O, John Arthorne, Doug Schaefer, Mik Kersten, Tom Watson, Andrew Overholt, Dave Williams, Nick Boldt
    • ... and one Name I did not understand
  • Regrets: Tim deBoer
  • No-Show:


Agenda / Notes

  • Feel free to edit, but not during the call!

Review of Last Meeting

New Topics

  • Martin: pre-integration of tools
    • IntelliJ gone open source.
    • Main value proposition is better pre-integration of tools (e.g. svn).
    • Eclipse Platform interested in getting improvements in that area, e.g. simpler pre-integration of update sites into the Eclipse Platform -- something like an "Add to my Workbench" wizard to get hi-profile things like Mylyn, XML Editor, svn ... that people need.
    • AC input on that idea? Who would help out or provide content / extensions for such an infrastructure?
      • Mik: There is two categories - pre-integration of Tools (svn,...) , and pre-integration of frameworks (Grails, spring framework)
      • Eclipse relies on its ecosystem for making this available
      • Either bring more stuff into Eclipse, or make it easier to install stuff after the fact
      • Wayne: We don't have the resources to test. Would love to see a better install story
      • Martin/John: Eclipse Platform thinking about pre-configured profiles to install... e.g. in Eclipse Platform, have a "Give me an XML Editor"
      • Oisin: p2 is a great platform (automatic dependency mgmt), UI is lacking
      • Mik: Installing the Mylyn integrations was just too hard
  • Mik: bug 291094 - Install Technologies
    • Wayne: Generalizing the Discovery Connector is a step in the right direction
    • Mylyn Connector Discovery is a UI on top of p2
    • Vendor puts together a single update site (with references to other sites)
    • Need to be careful about IP (works-with dependency)
    • David W: Load on the Server may be High
  • bug 261544 API Deprecation Policies
    • John: This is focused on the Platform, no attempt to craft something universally valid
    • Martin: But projects said last month they were interested in a Platform Policy
    • See Eclipse/API Central/Deprecation Policy

We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:

Items for next meeting

Old Topics

  • DaveC would like to discuss New Committer Guidelines; Scrum / Agile techniques
  • bug 285074 - Dave Carver - Hudsonbuilder and write access to the cvs / svn repo
  • bug 288721 - Sonar / Eclemma - Cedric Brun, Dave Carver
  • bug 283745 - Maven Repository at Eclipse
  • bug 288393 - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices
  • The art of project release naming - no bug yet ?!?

Action Items

  • (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
  • (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
    • While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
  • (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
  • (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list
  • (old) Tools and Tech PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor; mentorless projects due to AC members quitting or falling dormant
  • (old) Martin to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
  • (old) Dave C work with Wayne on a "handbook" for project criteria for becoming a committer (referencing committer guidelines)
  • (old) Dave C come up with a document how to save build resources
  • (old) Dave C to try bugzilla UNCONFIRMED state
  • Martin to file bug for asking Mik hyperlink Wikitext / crowdsourcing Docs handbook on the Architecture Council/Top Ten Project Development Practices page
  • Wayne to ask Sonatype about Nexus test installation
  • Wayne to try doing a 3.6m2 API Report on Helios m2
  • 'Ed to tell Cloudsmith about bug 283745 Maven


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