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| '''BIRT:'''
 
| '''BIRT:'''
| Wenfeng Li
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| <strike>Wenfeng Li</strike>
| Gary Xue
+
| <strike>Gary Xue</strike>
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''DTP:'''
 
| '''DTP:'''
| Brian Payton
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| <strike>Brian Payton</strike>
 
| Linda Chan
 
| Linda Chan
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''DSDP:'''
 
| '''DSDP:'''
| Doug Gaff
+
| <strike>Doug Gaff</strike>
 
| Martin Oberhuber
 
| Martin Oberhuber
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''Eclipse:'''
 
| '''Eclipse:'''
| Mike Wilson
+
| <strike>Mike Wilson</strike>
 
| John Arthorne
 
| John Arthorne
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''Modeling:'''
 
| '''Modeling:'''
| Ed Merks
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| <strike>Ed Merks</strike>
| Cédric Brun
+
| <strike>Cédric Brun</strike>
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''RT:'''
 
| '''RT:'''
| Jeff McAffer
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| <strike>Jeff McAffer</strike>
| Jochen Krause<br/>Tom Watson
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| <strike>Jochen Krause</strike><br/>Tom Watson
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''STP:'''
 
| '''STP:'''
 
| Oisin Hurley
 
| Oisin Hurley
| Antoine Toulme
+
| <strike>Antoine Toulme</strike>
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''Technology:'''
 
| '''Technology:'''
| Gunnar Wagenknecht
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| <strike>Gunnar Wagenknecht</strike>
 
| Wayne Beaton
 
| Wayne Beaton
 
|-
 
|-
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| '''TPTP:'''
 
| '''TPTP:'''
 
| Eugene Chan
 
| Eugene Chan
| Oliver Cole<br/>Joanna Kubasta
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| <strike>Oliver Cole</strike><br/><strike>Joanna Kubasta</strike>
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''WTP:'''
 
| '''WTP:'''
| Tim deBoer
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| <strike>Tim deBoer</strike>
| Dave Carver
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| <strike>Dave Carver</strike><br/>Dave Williams
 
|}
 
|}
  
 
* '''Signed-up:'''  
 
* '''Signed-up:'''  
* '''Regrets:'''  
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** Eugene, Darin Wright, Neil Hauge, Oisin, Linda Chan, Wayne Beaton, Mary Ruddy, Martin O, John Arthorne, Doug Schaefer, Mik Kersten, Tom Watson, Andrew Overholt, Dave Williams, Nick Boldt
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** ... and one Name I did not understand
 +
 
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* '''Regrets:''' Tim deBoer
 
* '''No-Show:'''  
 
* '''No-Show:'''  
  
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== Agenda / Notes ==
 
== Agenda / Notes ==
 
* '''Feel free to edit, but <font color="red">not during the call!</font>'''
 
* '''Feel free to edit, but <font color="red">not during the call!</font>'''
 
* Martin: IntelliJ gone open source.
 
** Main value proposition is better pre-integration of tools (e.g. svn).
 
** Eclipse Platform interested in getting improvements in that area, e.g. simpler pre-integration of update sites into the Eclipse Platform -- something like an "Add to my Workbench" wizard to get hi-profile things like Mylyn, XML Editor, svn ... that people need.
 
** AC input on that idea? Who would help out or provide content / extensions for such an infrastructure?
 
  
 
=== Review of Last Meeting ===
 
=== Review of Last Meeting ===
 
* [[Architecture Council/Meetings/October 8 2009]]
 
* [[Architecture Council/Meetings/October 8 2009]]
* (''old'') '''Tools and Tech PMC's''' to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor; mentorless projects due to AC members quitting or falling dormant
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* [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Martin''' to recommend Nick Boldt to Mike for nomination
* (''old'') '''Martin''' to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
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* [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Martin''' to talk to Eclipse PMC regarding e4 representation, API deprecation
* (''old'') '''Dave C''' work with Wayne on a "handbook" for project criteria for becoming a committer (referencing committer guidelines)
+
* (''old'') '''Dave C''' come up with a document how to save build resources
+
* (''old'') '''Dave C''' to try bugzilla UNCONFIRMED state
+
* '''Martin''' to recommend Nick Boldt to Mike for nomination
+
* '''Martin''' to talk to Eclipse PMC regarding e4 representation, API deprecation
+
* '''Martin''' to file bug for asking Mik hyperlink Wikitext / crowdsourcing Docs handbook on the [[Architecture Council/Top Ten Project Development Practices]] page
+
* '''Wayne''' to ask Sonatype about Nexus test installation
+
* '''Wayne''' to try doing a 3.6m2 API Report on Helios m2
+
* ''''Ed''' to tell Cloudsmith about {{bug|283745}} Maven
+
 
* Still open items moved to [[#Action Items]]
 
* Still open items moved to [[#Action Items]]
  
 
=== New Topics ===
 
=== New Topics ===
  
* Mik: {{bug|290094}} - Install Technoligies
+
* Martin: '''pre-integration of tools'''
* e4
+
** IntelliJ gone open source.
 +
** Main value proposition is better pre-integration of tools (e.g. svn).
 +
** Eclipse Platform interested in getting improvements in that area, e.g. simpler pre-integration of update sites into the Eclipse Platform -- something like an "Add to my Workbench" wizard to get hi-profile things like Mylyn, XML Editor, svn ... that people need.
 +
** AC input on that idea? Who would help out or provide content / extensions for such an infrastructure?
 +
*** Mik: There is two categories - pre-integration of Tools (svn,...) , and pre-integration of frameworks (Grails, spring framework)
 +
*** Eclipse relies on its ecosystem for making this available
 +
*** Either bring more stuff into Eclipse, or make it easier to install stuff after the fact
 +
*** Wayne: We don't have the resources to test. Would love to see a better install story
 +
*** Martin/John: Eclipse Platform thinking about pre-configured profiles to install... e.g. in Eclipse Platform, have a "Give me an XML Editor"
 +
*** Oisin: p2 is a great platform (automatic dependency mgmt), UI is lacking
 +
*** Mik: Installing the Mylyn integrations was just too hard
 +
 
 +
* Mik: '''{{bug|291094}} - Install Technologies'''
 +
** Wayne: Generalizing the Discovery Connector is a step in the right direction
 +
** Mylyn Connector Discovery is a UI on top of p2
 +
** Vendor puts together a single update site (with references to other sites)
 +
** Need to be careful about IP (works-with dependency)
 +
** David W: Load on the Server may be High
 +
 
 
* {{bug|261544}} '''API Deprecation Policies'''
 
* {{bug|261544}} '''API Deprecation Policies'''
 +
** John: This is focused on the Platform, no attempt to craft
  
 
We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:
 
We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:
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* (''old'') '''Michael''' to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
 
* (''old'') '''Michael''' to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
 
* (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list  
 
* (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list  
 +
* (''old'') '''Tools and Tech PMC's''' to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor; mentorless projects due to AC members quitting or falling dormant
 +
* (''old'') '''Martin''' to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
 +
* (''old'') '''Dave C''' work with Wayne on a "handbook" for project criteria for becoming a committer (referencing committer guidelines)
 +
* (''old'') '''Dave C''' come up with a document how to save build resources
 +
* (''old'') '''Dave C''' to try bugzilla UNCONFIRMED state
 +
* '''Martin''' to file bug for asking Mik hyperlink Wikitext / crowdsourcing Docs handbook on the [[Architecture Council/Top Ten Project Development Practices]] page
 +
* '''Wayne''' to ask Sonatype about Nexus test installation
 +
* '''Wayne''' to try doing a 3.6m2 API Report on Helios m2
 +
* ''''Ed''' to tell Cloudsmith about {{bug|283745}} Maven
  
  

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Meeting Title: Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time: Thursday November 12, 2009 at 1600 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin
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Contents

Attendees

All AC Members are invited.

  • PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: Wenfeng Li Gary Xue
DTP: Brian Payton Linda Chan
DSDP: Doug Gaff Martin Oberhuber
Eclipse: Mike Wilson John Arthorne
Modeling: Ed Merks Cédric Brun
RT: Jeff McAffer Jochen Krause
Tom Watson
STP: Oisin Hurley Antoine Toulme
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: Doug Schaefer
TPTP: Eugene Chan Oliver Cole
Joanna Kubasta
WTP: Tim deBoer Dave Carver
Dave Williams
  • Signed-up:
    • Eugene, Darin Wright, Neil Hauge, Oisin, Linda Chan, Wayne Beaton, Mary Ruddy, Martin O, John Arthorne, Doug Schaefer, Mik Kersten, Tom Watson, Andrew Overholt, Dave Williams, Nick Boldt
    • ... and one Name I did not understand
  • Regrets: Tim deBoer
  • No-Show:


Agenda / Notes

  • Feel free to edit, but not during the call!

Review of Last Meeting

New Topics

  • Martin: pre-integration of tools
    • IntelliJ gone open source.
    • Main value proposition is better pre-integration of tools (e.g. svn).
    • Eclipse Platform interested in getting improvements in that area, e.g. simpler pre-integration of update sites into the Eclipse Platform -- something like an "Add to my Workbench" wizard to get hi-profile things like Mylyn, XML Editor, svn ... that people need.
    • AC input on that idea? Who would help out or provide content / extensions for such an infrastructure?
      • Mik: There is two categories - pre-integration of Tools (svn,...) , and pre-integration of frameworks (Grails, spring framework)
      • Eclipse relies on its ecosystem for making this available
      • Either bring more stuff into Eclipse, or make it easier to install stuff after the fact
      • Wayne: We don't have the resources to test. Would love to see a better install story
      • Martin/John: Eclipse Platform thinking about pre-configured profiles to install... e.g. in Eclipse Platform, have a "Give me an XML Editor"
      • Oisin: p2 is a great platform (automatic dependency mgmt), UI is lacking
      • Mik: Installing the Mylyn integrations was just too hard
  • Mik: bug 291094 - Install Technologies
    • Wayne: Generalizing the Discovery Connector is a step in the right direction
    • Mylyn Connector Discovery is a UI on top of p2
    • Vendor puts together a single update site (with references to other sites)
    • Need to be careful about IP (works-with dependency)
    • David W: Load on the Server may be High
  • bug 261544 API Deprecation Policies
    • John: This is focused on the Platform, no attempt to craft

We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:

Items for next meeting

Old Topics

  • DaveC would like to discuss New Committer Guidelines; Scrum / Agile techniques
  • bug 285074 - Dave Carver - Hudsonbuilder and write access to the cvs / svn repo
  • bug 288721 - Sonar / Eclemma - Cedric Brun, Dave Carver
  • bug 283745 - Maven Repository at Eclipse
  • bug 288393 - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices
  • The art of project release naming - no bug yet ?!?

Action Items

  • (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
  • (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
    • While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
  • (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
  • (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list
  • (old) Tools and Tech PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor; mentorless projects due to AC members quitting or falling dormant
  • (old) Martin to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
  • (old) Dave C work with Wayne on a "handbook" for project criteria for becoming a committer (referencing committer guidelines)
  • (old) Dave C come up with a document how to save build resources
  • (old) Dave C to try bugzilla UNCONFIRMED state
  • Martin to file bug for asking Mik hyperlink Wikitext / crowdsourcing Docs handbook on the Architecture Council/Top Ten Project Development Practices page
  • Wayne to ask Sonatype about Nexus test installation
  • Wayne to try doing a 3.6m2 API Report on Helios m2
  • 'Ed to tell Cloudsmith about bug 283745 Maven


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