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= Participants =
 
= Participants =
 
* '''Participants'''
 
* '''Participants'''
** Martin Oberhuber, Wind River -- arrive Mon 17-Nov morning -- depart Thu 20-Nov afternoon -- hotel [http://www.blauzeit.com/ Blauzeit]
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** Wayne Beaton, Eclipse
** Wayne Beaton
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** Boris Bokowski, IBM
** Boris Bokowski, IBM -- arrive Sunday 16-Nov afternoon -- depart Friday 22-Nov morning -- [http://www.schlosshotel-monrepos.de/index.php?KURZINFO Schlosshotel Monrepos]
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** Doug Clarke, Oracle
** Doug Clarke, Oracle -- Arrive Monday around noon -- depart Friday morning - ?
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** Richard Gronback, Borland
** Brian Fitzpatrick, Sybase -- arrive Tuesday 18-Nov afternoon -- depart Fri 21-Nov morning -- hotel Nestor
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** Markus Knauer, Innoopract
** Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Eclipse -- hotel Nestor
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** Bernd Kolb, SAP
** Richard Gronback, Borland -- arrive Tuesday 18-Nov afternoon -- depart Thu 21-Nov afternoon -- hotel Nestor
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** Ed Merks, Macro Modeling
** Doug Gaff, Wind River -- Arrive Monday around noon -- depart Saturday morning - Nestor
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** Martin Oberhuber, Wind River
** Oisin Hurley, IONA -- arrive Tuesday 18-Nov midday -- depart Thu 20-Nov afternoon -- hotel Nestor
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** Doug Schaefer, Wind River
** Ed Merks, Macro Modeling-- arrive Sunday 16-Nov afternoon -- depart Saturday 22-Nov morning-- hotel Nestor
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** Michael Scharf, Wind River
** Doug Schaefer, Wind River -- Arrive Sunday 16-Nov noonish -- depart Friday 21-Nov morning -- Nestor
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** Georg Schmidt, brox IT-Solutions GmbH
** Georg Schmidt, brox IT-Solutions GmbH -- arrive Tue 18-Nov evening or Wen 19-Oct morning -- depart Friday 21-Nov evening -- hotel TBD
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** Tom Schindl, BestSolution.at
** Tom Schindl, BestSolution.at-- arrive Sunday 16-Nov afternoon -- depart Thu 20-Nov afternoon-- hotel Nestor
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** Gunnar Wagenknecht, AGETO
** Bernd Kolb, SAP-- arrive Tuesday 18-Nov morning -- depart Thu 20-Nov evening --
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* '''Tentative'''
 
* '''Tentative'''
** Markus Knauer, Innoopract -- available during the week and without hotel
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** Chris Aniszczyk, Sven Efftinge, Jeff McAffer
  
 
* '''Regrets'''
 
* '''Regrets'''
** Neil Hauge, John Arthorne, David Carver, McQ, Tom Watson, Eugene Chan, Darin Swanson, Oliver E. Cole, Darin Wright, Andrew Overholt, Mary Ruddy, Karsten Schmidt
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** Neil Hauge, John Arthorne, David Carver, McQ, Tom Watson, Eugene Chan, Darin Swanson, Oliver E. Cole, Darin Wright, Andrew Overholt, Mary Ruddy, Karsten Schmidt, Mike Milinkovich
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** Brian Fitzpatrick, Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Doug Gaff, Oisin Hurley
  
 
= Date, Time and Location =
 
= Date, Time and Location =
 
* <font color="red">'''Changed'''</font>: <strike>Tuesday 18-Nov 19:00 dinner together at hotel nestor.</strike>
 
* <font color="red">'''Changed'''</font>: <strike>Tuesday 18-Nov 19:00 dinner together at hotel nestor.</strike>
* Meet at the '''Lobby of hotel nestor at 18:00''' for a chat (since some of us need to join the Sponsor's dinner at 19:00)\
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* Meet at the '''Lobby of hotel nestor at 18:00''' for a chat (since some of us need to join the Sponsor's dinner at 19:00)
* At 19:00, walk over to '''[http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=gasthof+zum+goldenen+r%C3%B6ssle+ludwigsburg&fb=1&view=text&latlng=7486776433961086856 Gasthof zum Goldenen Rössle]''' together ([http://maps.google.at/maps?f=d&saddr=Stuttgarter+Str.+35%2F2,+D-71638+Ludwigsburg+(Nestor+Hotel+Ludwigsburg)&daddr=Kaffeeberg+1,+D-71634+Ludwigsburg+(Gasthof+Zum+Goldenen+R%C3%B6ssle)&hl=de&geocode=FYQV6gIdkEmMACE4gmJWWcbxHg%3BFeci6gIdKUWMACGILwQDgF_mZw&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=48.896175,9.19355&sspn=0.007829,0.022745&ie=UTF8&ll=48.897075,9.19332&spn=0.007829,0.022745&z=16 Directions here]
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* At 19:00, walk over to '''[http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=gasthof+zum+goldenen+r%C3%B6ssle+ludwigsburg&fb=1&view=text&latlng=7486776433961086856 Gasthof zum Goldenen Rössle]''' together ([http://maps.google.at/maps?f=d&saddr=Stuttgarter+Str.+35%2F2,+D-71638+Ludwigsburg+(Nestor+Hotel+Ludwigsburg)&daddr=Kaffeeberg+1,+D-71634+Ludwigsburg+(Gasthof+Zum+Goldenen+R%C3%B6ssle)&hl=de&geocode=FYQV6gIdkEmMACE4gmJWWcbxHg%3BFeci6gIdKUWMACGILwQDgF_mZw&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=48.896175,9.19355&sspn=0.007829,0.022745&ie=UTF8&ll=48.897075,9.19332&spn=0.007829,0.022745&z=16 Directions here])
 
* It will be an informal meeting in the sense that we won't make any decisions since not enough members will be available.
 
* It will be an informal meeting in the sense that we won't make any decisions since not enough members will be available.
* We will, however, have an agenda and chat about a few things relevant to the AC.
 
  
= Agenda =
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= Notes =
* '''Mentorship''': Talk about the rationale, process and advantages of mentorship. Result of the session should be an actual Wiki page about mentorship (somebody to bring a Laptop to edit it?).
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* '''Wayne''' on '''Mentorship and theTechnology PMC''': few phone meetings, most communication by E-Mail. Wayne does reviews with projects which he announces, this makes some projects shudder and work on compliance with e.g. website guidelines. He also asks other PMC members to do such reviews with projects in order to kick them get going with Community Development.
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** Richard: Mentorship is a pull-model, up to the mentored projects. Some of his projects ask a lot, others do not.
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* '''Wayne''' on '''Usage Data''': Current dataset from about 75000 "users", and growing. Queries take long. Unsure how to leverage the data. "Clustering" plugins which are used together was interesting, but on the new large dataset such queries don't work easily any more.
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* '''Martin''' on '''Micro Projects''': We should have more pre-canned website content to get projects up and running. See e4 homepage. Currently every project is doing their own thing. Getting started with homepage, builder, downloads, project plan etc. takes too long.
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** Wayne: make the "About this Project" page the homepage for new projects?
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* '''Markus''' on the '''new EPP''': Will be using P2, all packaging code re-written, P2 is the right direction. Install Wizard. New UDC.
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* '''Richard''' on '''Common Builder''': many shellscripts with much duplication of functionality that's in PDE Build already. Worried that the lot of "specialized" duplication solutions are hard to maintain.
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* '''Richard''' on '''e4''': He doesn't see need in his company/project for breaking innovation, so he's not participating. Worried about participation by volunteers who might go away at any time and leave something unmanageable behind. Worried about a lack of cohesive architecture by overall overseer. If the foundation made every strategic member participate in e4 with 2 developers, he would join.
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== Original Agenda (items not discussed) ==
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* '''Mentorship''': Talk about the rationale, process and advantages of mentorship. Result of the session should be an actual Wiki page about mentorship
 
* '''AC Web Appearance''': Improve the AC Wiki to have important information better highlighted (e.g. how to report an AC bug, how to ask for a mentor) and make the visual appearance more pleasant. Also, improving and clarifying the self-description of what the AC is.
 
* '''AC Web Appearance''': Improve the AC Wiki to have important information better highlighted (e.g. how to report an AC bug, how to ask for a mentor) and make the visual appearance more pleasant. Also, improving and clarifying the self-description of what the AC is.
* '''Threats of unmanageably large number of dependencies''' - RT, SMILA and consumed non-Eclipse libraries (Georg Schmidt)
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* '''Threats of "hot-spots" in dependencies''' - RT, SMILA and consumed non-Eclipse libraries (Georg Schmidt); what happens if e.g. Apache Log4J goes in a direction that's not compatible with Eclipse
 
* '''Reducing Bloat''' - How to improve re-use of functionality across all of Eclipse
 
* '''Reducing Bloat''' - How to improve re-use of functionality across all of Eclipse
 
* '''Interfacing with (L)GPL'd libs''' - what we can or can't do, and how to approach the Board
 
* '''Interfacing with (L)GPL'd libs''' - what we can or can't do, and how to approach the Board
* '''Chat with Bjorn''' about the "new" vs. the "old" AC
 
 
* Improving our [[Architecture Council/Links Collection]]
 
* Improving our [[Architecture Council/Links Collection]]
 
Attendees feel free to add more points on the Agenda!
 
 
== Discussion ==
 
Open discussion here. Feel free to add anything.
 
 
* (MartinO) Have some beer and get to know other AC members
 
 
* (MartinO) [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Community&component=Architecture+Council&cmdtype=doit Bugs on the AC Component]
 
* (MartinO) [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&product=Community&component=Architecture+Council&cmdtype=doit Bugs on the AC Component]

Revision as of 12:14, 21 November 2008

Participants

  • Participants
    • Wayne Beaton, Eclipse
    • Boris Bokowski, IBM
    • Doug Clarke, Oracle
    • Richard Gronback, Borland
    • Markus Knauer, Innoopract
    • Bernd Kolb, SAP
    • Ed Merks, Macro Modeling
    • Martin Oberhuber, Wind River
    • Doug Schaefer, Wind River
    • Michael Scharf, Wind River
    • Georg Schmidt, brox IT-Solutions GmbH
    • Tom Schindl, BestSolution.at
    • Gunnar Wagenknecht, AGETO
  • Tentative
    • Chris Aniszczyk, Sven Efftinge, Jeff McAffer
  • Regrets
    • Neil Hauge, John Arthorne, David Carver, McQ, Tom Watson, Eugene Chan, Darin Swanson, Oliver E. Cole, Darin Wright, Andrew Overholt, Mary Ruddy, Karsten Schmidt, Mike Milinkovich
    • Brian Fitzpatrick, Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Doug Gaff, Oisin Hurley

Date, Time and Location

  • Changed: Tuesday 18-Nov 19:00 dinner together at hotel nestor.
  • Meet at the Lobby of hotel nestor at 18:00 for a chat (since some of us need to join the Sponsor's dinner at 19:00)
  • At 19:00, walk over to Gasthof zum Goldenen Rössle together (Directions here)
  • It will be an informal meeting in the sense that we won't make any decisions since not enough members will be available.

Notes

  • Wayne on Mentorship and theTechnology PMC: few phone meetings, most communication by E-Mail. Wayne does reviews with projects which he announces, this makes some projects shudder and work on compliance with e.g. website guidelines. He also asks other PMC members to do such reviews with projects in order to kick them get going with Community Development.
    • Richard: Mentorship is a pull-model, up to the mentored projects. Some of his projects ask a lot, others do not.
  • Wayne on Usage Data: Current dataset from about 75000 "users", and growing. Queries take long. Unsure how to leverage the data. "Clustering" plugins which are used together was interesting, but on the new large dataset such queries don't work easily any more.
  • Martin on Micro Projects: We should have more pre-canned website content to get projects up and running. See e4 homepage. Currently every project is doing their own thing. Getting started with homepage, builder, downloads, project plan etc. takes too long.
    • Wayne: make the "About this Project" page the homepage for new projects?
  • Markus on the new EPP: Will be using P2, all packaging code re-written, P2 is the right direction. Install Wizard. New UDC.
  • Richard on Common Builder: many shellscripts with much duplication of functionality that's in PDE Build already. Worried that the lot of "specialized" duplication solutions are hard to maintain.
  • Richard on e4: He doesn't see need in his company/project for breaking innovation, so he's not participating. Worried about participation by volunteers who might go away at any time and leave something unmanageable behind. Worried about a lack of cohesive architecture by overall overseer. If the foundation made every strategic member participate in e4 with 2 developers, he would join.

Original Agenda (items not discussed)

  • Mentorship: Talk about the rationale, process and advantages of mentorship. Result of the session should be an actual Wiki page about mentorship
  • AC Web Appearance: Improve the AC Wiki to have important information better highlighted (e.g. how to report an AC bug, how to ask for a mentor) and make the visual appearance more pleasant. Also, improving and clarifying the self-description of what the AC is.
  • Threats of "hot-spots" in dependencies - RT, SMILA and consumed non-Eclipse libraries (Georg Schmidt); what happens if e.g. Apache Log4J goes in a direction that's not compatible with Eclipse
  • Reducing Bloat - How to improve re-use of functionality across all of Eclipse
  • Interfacing with (L)GPL'd libs - what we can or can't do, and how to approach the Board
  • Improving our Architecture Council/Links Collection
  • (MartinO) Bugs on the AC Component