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| − | * '''In attendance:''' Neil Hauge, Martin O, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Krum Tsvetkov | + | * '''In attendance:''' Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Neil Hauge, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, Krum Tsvetkov, Gunnar Wagenknecht |
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| + | * New Members: Doug and Andrew will formally nominate one, Wayne will formally nominate the others | ||
| − | + | ==== Package Installer ==== | |
| + | Wayne: '''Decision Making Process for What Goes into the Packages''' | ||
| + | * Doug: The top item on downloads page always gets by far the most downloads | ||
| + | ** Confusion around what the Eclipse Standard package is | ||
| + | ** The Packages are the face of Eclipse ... should the AC play a bigger role in defining the contents ? | ||
| + | * Wayne: Working fine today from his POV, want AC discussion on where to go ("what would be the ideal situation?") | ||
| + | * Doug: Idea of an installer to pick and choose components, rather than getting the prebuilt all-in-one installers | ||
| + | ** Like the Mentor Graphics installer (EPL'd, sitting on github) on the epp-dev list (Wayne: What about Linux and Mac?) | ||
| + | * Michael: IntelliJ finds a new file, and suggests a plugin for download (whow!) - avoid the upfront initial decision | ||
| + | * Eike: Created a new installer for [https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/tools.oomph Project OOMPH] ... can install the packages ... won't be ready for Luna SR0 but thinking about making more prominent | ||
| + | ** Doug: Interested in trying out ... not going to do anything for Luna, have another year to get solid | ||
| + | *** '''AI Eike''' put together some notes + screenshots | ||
| + | *** '''AI Doug''' forward info about the Mentor Graphics installer | ||
| + | * Ian Bull: Get rid of the Downloads page, let member companies do installers only ? (Similar to what Linux does with the distros) | ||
| + | ** Wayne: Interesting thought ... but one reason why we have packages is that this hasn't been happening ... changing this will need a lot of energy | ||
| + | * Martin: Likes that we're talking about an installer now, and no longer about package contents. | ||
| + | ** Doug: Worried that bottom entries on download page get very similar download numbers ... an installer would be more beneficial | ||
| + | ** Wayne: Getting 2-3 E-Mails per week about "what package should I choose" , "How do I add reporting to Java package" etc .. p2 UI is powerful but a bit cumbersome for the new user | ||
| + | * Doug: As a Member Company, I'm here for the Ecosystem ... want a good OOBE | ||
| + | * Wayne: Taking the discussion to the Mailing List, '''AI All''' review the minutes and add thoughts where appropriate. | ||
=== General Topics === | === General Topics === | ||
| − | * ''' | + | * Wayne: Want more '''What's Hot in Luna''' - please provide content and reach out to Mentored Projects |
| + | |||
| + | * Wayne: Many new projects - '''Please step up as Mentors''' | ||
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* Marcel: '''Logging at Eclipse''' | * Marcel: '''Logging at Eclipse''' | ||
| − | * | + | ** GSoC project going on, will start in the next couple weeks (targeting Mars) |
| − | * | + | |
| + | * Marcel: Discussion about '''Sending data to Eclipse.org''' (like heartbeat) is going on in the Technology PMC | ||
| + | ** Wayne: Discussion has also been revived at the EMO ... trying to sort it out and will answer | ||
| + | ** {{bug|113169}} Calling Home Policy | ||
| − | * ''' | + | * Wayne: '''Standard CONTRIBUTING file''' in all git repos |
| + | ** Based on Krum's template ... can generate one based on project's metadata | ||
| + | ** Actively looking at it during release reviews | ||
| + | ** https://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources#Projects:_Ongoing | ||
| + | *** All projects MUST have a CONTRIBUTING guide | ||
| + | *** Part of Wayne's "project updates" message and blog | ||
| + | *** https://wiki.eclipse.org/Architecture_Council/Contributor_Guide_Recommendation#Automagic_Generation | ||
== Action Items == | == Action Items == | ||
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== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
| − | * [[Architecture Council/Meetings/ | + | * [[Architecture Council/Meetings/June 12 2014]] |
[[Category:Architecture_Council_Meeting_Minutes]] | [[Category:Architecture_Council_Meeting_Minutes]] | ||
Revision as of 11:55, 8 May 2014
| Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Thursday May 8, 2014 at 1500 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1500 London / 1600 Berlin attention DST change HTML |  iCal
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| Dial-in: | Let's use the Foundation's Asterisk setup for this call:
Participant conference extension: 701 then enter pin: 51968
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Contents
Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
| BIRT: | |
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| DTP: | Brian Payton | |
| Eclipse: | |
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| Modeling: | |
Eike Stepper |
| Mylyn: | Steffen Pingel | |
| RT: | |
Tom Watson |
| SOA: | |
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| Technology: | |
Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | Doug Schaefer | |
| WTP: | Chuck Bridgham | |
All Attendees
- In attendance: Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Neil Hauge, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, Krum Tsvetkov, Gunnar Wagenknecht
- Regrets:
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Meetings/April 10 2014
- Still open items moved to #Action_Items
New Topics
- Dark Theme - when switching to white, it hurts
- New Members: Doug and Andrew will formally nominate one, Wayne will formally nominate the others
Package Installer
Wayne: Decision Making Process for What Goes into the Packages
- Doug: The top item on downloads page always gets by far the most downloads
- Confusion around what the Eclipse Standard package is
- The Packages are the face of Eclipse ... should the AC play a bigger role in defining the contents ?
- Wayne: Working fine today from his POV, want AC discussion on where to go ("what would be the ideal situation?")
- Doug: Idea of an installer to pick and choose components, rather than getting the prebuilt all-in-one installers
- Like the Mentor Graphics installer (EPL'd, sitting on github) on the epp-dev list (Wayne: What about Linux and Mac?)
- Michael: IntelliJ finds a new file, and suggests a plugin for download (whow!) - avoid the upfront initial decision
- Eike: Created a new installer for Project OOMPH ... can install the packages ... won't be ready for Luna SR0 but thinking about making more prominent
- Doug: Interested in trying out ... not going to do anything for Luna, have another year to get solid
- AI Eike put together some notes + screenshots
- AI Doug forward info about the Mentor Graphics installer
- Doug: Interested in trying out ... not going to do anything for Luna, have another year to get solid
- Ian Bull: Get rid of the Downloads page, let member companies do installers only ? (Similar to what Linux does with the distros)
- Wayne: Interesting thought ... but one reason why we have packages is that this hasn't been happening ... changing this will need a lot of energy
- Martin: Likes that we're talking about an installer now, and no longer about package contents.
- Doug: Worried that bottom entries on download page get very similar download numbers ... an installer would be more beneficial
- Wayne: Getting 2-3 E-Mails per week about "what package should I choose" , "How do I add reporting to Java package" etc .. p2 UI is powerful but a bit cumbersome for the new user
- Doug: As a Member Company, I'm here for the Ecosystem ... want a good OOBE
- Wayne: Taking the discussion to the Mailing List, AI All review the minutes and add thoughts where appropriate.
General Topics
- Wayne: Want more What's Hot in Luna - please provide content and reach out to Mentored Projects
- Wayne: Many new projects - Please step up as Mentors
- Marcel: Logging at Eclipse
- GSoC project going on, will start in the next couple weeks (targeting Mars)
- Marcel: Discussion about Sending data to Eclipse.org (like heartbeat) is going on in the Technology PMC
- Wayne: Discussion has also been revived at the EMO ... trying to sort it out and will answer
- bug 113169 Calling Home Policy
- Wayne: Standard CONTRIBUTING file in all git repos
- Based on Krum's template ... can generate one based on project's metadata
- Actively looking at it during release reviews
- https://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources#Projects:_Ongoing
- All projects MUST have a CONTRIBUTING guide
- Part of Wayne's "project updates" message and blog
- https://wiki.eclipse.org/Architecture_Council/Contributor_Guide_Recommendation#Automagic_Generation
Action Items
- No new action items.
- Cleaned up old action items, see Architecture Council/Meetings/February 10 2011 for old stuff
- (old) Tim write up an initial wiki page with information for people to standardize on the tracing API
- (old) Martin revise the AC Wiki to make it easier to find the New Member Process. More links on homepage. More usage of categories.
- (old) Martin bug 315210 Make the AC mailing list open / moderated