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| − | | Wenfeng Li | + | | <strike>Wenfeng Li</strike> |
| Gary Xue | | Gary Xue | ||
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| '''DSDP:''' | | '''DSDP:''' | ||
| − | | Doug Gaff | + | | <strike>Doug Gaff</strike> |
| Martin Oberhuber | | Martin Oberhuber | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Eclipse:''' | | '''Eclipse:''' | ||
| − | | Philippe Mulet | + | | <strike>Philippe Mulet</strike> |
| Mike Wilson | | Mike Wilson | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Modeling:''' | | '''Modeling:''' | ||
| − | | Richard Gronback | + | | <strike>Richard Gronback</strike> Cedric Brun |
| − | | Ed Merks | + | | <strike>Ed Merks</strike> |
|- | |- | ||
| '''RT:''' | | '''RT:''' | ||
| − | | Jeff McAffer | + | | <strike>Jeff McAffer</strike> Tom Watson |
| − | | Jochen Krause | + | | <strike>Jochen Krause</strike> |
|- | |- | ||
| '''STP:''' | | '''STP:''' | ||
| Oisin Hurley | | Oisin Hurley | ||
| − | | Antoine Toulme | + | | <strike>Antoine Toulme</strike> |
|- | |- | ||
| '''Technology:''' | | '''Technology:''' | ||
| − | | Gunnar Wagenknecht | + | | <strike>Gunnar Wagenknecht</strike> |
| Wayne Beaton | | Wayne Beaton | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Tools:''' | | '''Tools:''' | ||
| − | | Doug Schaefer | + | | <strike>Doug Schaefer</strike> |
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''TPTP:''' | | '''TPTP:''' | ||
| Eugene Chan | | Eugene Chan | ||
| − | | Oliver Cole<br/>Joanna Kubasta | + | | <strike>Oliver Cole</strike><br/><strike>Joanna Kubasta</strike> |
|- | |- | ||
| '''WTP:''' | | '''WTP:''' | ||
| − | | Tim deBoer | + | | <strike>Tim deBoer</strike> |
| − | | Dave Carver | + | | <strike>Dave Carver</strike> |
|} | |} | ||
| − | * '''Signed-up:''' | + | * '''Signed-up:''' John Arthorne, Boris Bokowski, Neil Hauge, Markus Knauer, Bernd Kolb (for Karsten Schmidt), Andrew Overholt, Michael Scharf, Mark VandenBrink |
| − | * '''Regrets:''' | + | * '''Regrets:''' Chris Aniszczyk, Oliver Cole, Ed Merks, Mary Ruddy, Darin Swanson, Gunnar Wagenknecht |
| − | * '''No-Show:''' | + | * '''No-Show:''' David Carver, Doug Clarke, Adrian Colyer, Tim deBoer, Naci Dai, Sven Efftinge, Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Doug Gaff, John Graham, Richard Gronback, Mik Kersten, Jochen Krause, Wenfeng Li, Jeff McAffer, Mike Milinkovich, Philippe Mulet, Doug Schaefer, Tom Schindl, Georg Schmidt, David Williams, Darin Wright |
| + | |||
== Agenda / Notes == | == Agenda / Notes == | ||
* '''Feel free to edit, but <font color="red">not during the call!</font>''' | * '''Feel free to edit, but <font color="red">not during the call!</font>''' | ||
| − | === Review of | + | === Review of Last Meeting === |
| − | * | + | * [[Architecture Council/Minutes February 12 2009]] |
| − | * | + | ** Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it |
| − | * | + | * '''Action Items''' |
| − | * | + | ** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] AC Webpage / Wiki: agree that we are done now |
| − | ** | + | ** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only - no need to advertise to committers. |
| − | * | + | *** Wayne: a matter of throtteling input by escalating via PMC/AC only |
| − | * | + | ** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Dave Carver''' send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage |
| − | * | + | ** [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Mik''' to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature |
| − | + | ** Still open items moved to [[#Action Items]] | |
| − | * '''Mik''' to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature | + | |
| − | * | + | |
| − | + | ||
| − | + | ||
| − | * Still open items moved to [[#Action Items]] | + | |
=== Administrative === | === Administrative === | ||
| − | * ''' | + | * '''PMC Representation''' - Cedric can sit in for Modeling (is in contact with the PMC). Tom can sit in for RT. |
| − | + | ** '''AI Cedric, Tom''' talk to their PMCs about making AC representation official (can be 2 backup reps) | |
| − | * | + | * Tools, WTP not represented! |
| − | * ''' | + | |
| − | * | + | |
=== News from the EMO & Councils === | === News from the EMO & Councils === | ||
| − | * | + | * Nothing new |
=== New Topics === | === New Topics === | ||
* '''EclipseCon''' - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon | * '''EclipseCon''' - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon | ||
| − | ** | + | ** StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; will have Mike Milinkovich (or other Board Reps) there |
| − | ** Official [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] from 5pm-6pm | + | ** This is a big chance to really move forward, we should use it! |
| − | ** [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] | + | *** '''AI Everyone''' add to agenda on [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] also if you can not come! |
| − | * | + | *** Will use the AC agenda page also for AC input to the StAC meeting |
| − | * {{bug| | + | *** Let's think about what's hurting Eclipse today, how to move forward, hard questions |
| + | ** Official [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] from 5pm-6pm | ||
| + | *** Items like mentoring which are less relevant to PC and RC; pizza denied unfortunately | ||
| + | *** Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo | ||
| + | |||
| + | * [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] panel: | ||
| + | ** '''AI Panelists''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A, and discuss on the mailing list if not agree with any answers there | ||
| + | ** We can disagree on most content, but we should agree on the basic FAQ - many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently | ||
| + | |||
| + | |||
| + | * [[Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119]] meeting? | ||
| + | ** Boris - no free head at the moment. Wants to write Wiki with thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX") | ||
| + | ** McQ - should look at soon after Eclipsecon. What if the list of supported platforms changes? | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Boris - New [[Platform UI/Bug Triage]] (for one of the next meetings), hoping that over time we'll share some best practice | ||
| + | |||
| + | * '''{{bug|257706}} news on git''' | ||
| + | ** MichaelS: Eclipse integration (Egit) is still problematic - can't get it to work productively | ||
| + | ** Markus: EclipseSource organizing a [http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/sessions?id=776 git BOF at EclipseCon] on Wednesday evening | ||
| + | ** Andrew: Shawn Pearce going to be at Eclipsecon - Egit much needed for Linux communities; perhaps not developing features as rapidly as some would like because of Jgit vs. just relying on command-line tool (but this is required for multi-OS support) | ||
| + | ** Bernd: Main developers just doing it in their sparetime - SAP thinking about actively contributing to Egit | ||
| + | ** Boris: Apache going to support git (but not as their main repo), because somebody stepped up hosting certain projects in git format. Boris likes "git bisect" | ||
| + | *** In Eclipse, checkout using commandline (not with Eclipse integration yet) | ||
| + | ** git at Eclipse: Most wanted Community addition by a factor of 5! | ||
| + | *** Biggest blocker is IP clearance missing for git (no time on IP Legal team to even look at it!) | ||
| + | *** 2 Problems: (a) distributed nature leads to problems if genie is set loose | ||
| + | *** (b) Overhead of managing multiple repositories ... but that's only second order problem | ||
| + | *** We need a Doc package collecting information and arguments, but who could create it? | ||
| + | ** Martin thinks the biggest problem is that people discuss it who haven't really looked at it... | ||
| + | *** In favor of collecting experience and technical knowledge by hybrid approach first (CVS master + git children remote) | ||
| + | *** Martin is unsure about pros and cons of hybrid approach (cvs+git) vs git native at Eclipse.org | ||
| + | ** How to move forward: Use '''Public channels to collect facts, procedures, best practices''' - see [[Git for Committers]] | ||
=== Old items === | === Old items === | ||
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== Action Items == | == Action Items == | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Michael''' to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started [[Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns]], backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals | ||
| + | ** While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Michael''' to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list | ||
| + | * (''old'') '''Tools and Tech PMC's''' to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor | ||
| + | * '''Cedric, Tom''' talk to their PMCs about making AC representation official (can be 2 backup reps) | ||
| + | * '''AC Panelists''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A wiki | ||
| + | * '''Everyone''' add to the [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] agenda | ||
| + | ** Indicate attendance if you plan to come | ||
| + | |||
== Next Meeting == | == Next Meeting == | ||
Latest revision as of 03:30, 13 March 2009
| Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Thursday March 12, 2009 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1200 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin HTML |  iCal
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| Dial-in: | (+1) 613.287.8000 (Ottawa and international) or 866.362.7064 (toll-free North America) passcode 464440# |
Contents
Attendees
- Use the Doodle Attendance Tracking Poll to confirm attendance or send regrets for this meeting. See this message for how to use it. All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
| BIRT: | |
Gary Xue |
| DTP: | Brian Fitzpatrick | Linda Chan |
| DSDP: | |
Martin Oberhuber |
| Eclipse: | |
Mike Wilson |
| Modeling: | |
|
| RT: | |
|
| STP: | Oisin Hurley | |
| Technology: | |
Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | |
|
| TPTP: | Eugene Chan | |
| WTP: | |
|
- Signed-up: John Arthorne, Boris Bokowski, Neil Hauge, Markus Knauer, Bernd Kolb (for Karsten Schmidt), Andrew Overholt, Michael Scharf, Mark VandenBrink
- Regrets: Chris Aniszczyk, Oliver Cole, Ed Merks, Mary Ruddy, Darin Swanson, Gunnar Wagenknecht
- No-Show: David Carver, Doug Clarke, Adrian Colyer, Tim deBoer, Naci Dai, Sven Efftinge, Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Doug Gaff, John Graham, Richard Gronback, Mik Kersten, Jochen Krause, Wenfeng Li, Jeff McAffer, Mike Milinkovich, Philippe Mulet, Doug Schaefer, Tom Schindl, Georg Schmidt, David Williams, Darin Wright
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Minutes February 12 2009
- Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it
- Action Items
-
AC Webpage / Wiki: agree that we are done now - IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only - no need to advertise to committers.
- Wayne: a matter of throtteling input by escalating via PMC/AC only
- Dave Carver send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage
- Mik to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature
- Still open items moved to #Action Items
-
Administrative
- PMC Representation - Cedric can sit in for Modeling (is in contact with the PMC). Tom can sit in for RT.
- AI Cedric, Tom talk to their PMCs about making AC representation official (can be 2 backup reps)
- Tools, WTP not represented!
News from the EMO & Councils
- Nothing new
New Topics
- EclipseCon - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon
- StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; will have Mike Milinkovich (or other Board Reps) there
- This is a big chance to really move forward, we should use it!
- AI Everyone add to agenda on Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009 also if you can not come!
- Will use the AC agenda page also for AC input to the StAC meeting
- Let's think about what's hurting Eclipse today, how to move forward, hard questions
- Official Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009 from 5pm-6pm
- Items like mentoring which are less relevant to PC and RC; pizza denied unfortunately
- Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo
- Architecture Council/Ask the AC panel:
- AI Panelists review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A, and discuss on the mailing list if not agree with any answers there
- We can disagree on most content, but we should agree on the basic FAQ - many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently
- Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119 meeting?
- Boris - no free head at the moment. Wants to write Wiki with thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX")
- McQ - should look at soon after Eclipsecon. What if the list of supported platforms changes?
- Boris - New Platform UI/Bug Triage (for one of the next meetings), hoping that over time we'll share some best practice
- bug 257706 news on git
- MichaelS: Eclipse integration (Egit) is still problematic - can't get it to work productively
- Markus: EclipseSource organizing a git BOF at EclipseCon on Wednesday evening
- Andrew: Shawn Pearce going to be at Eclipsecon - Egit much needed for Linux communities; perhaps not developing features as rapidly as some would like because of Jgit vs. just relying on command-line tool (but this is required for multi-OS support)
- Bernd: Main developers just doing it in their sparetime - SAP thinking about actively contributing to Egit
- Boris: Apache going to support git (but not as their main repo), because somebody stepped up hosting certain projects in git format. Boris likes "git bisect"
- In Eclipse, checkout using commandline (not with Eclipse integration yet)
- git at Eclipse: Most wanted Community addition by a factor of 5!
- Biggest blocker is IP clearance missing for git (no time on IP Legal team to even look at it!)
- 2 Problems: (a) distributed nature leads to problems if genie is set loose
- (b) Overhead of managing multiple repositories ... but that's only second order problem
- We need a Doc package collecting information and arguments, but who could create it?
- Martin thinks the biggest problem is that people discuss it who haven't really looked at it...
- In favor of collecting experience and technical knowledge by hybrid approach first (CVS master + git children remote)
- Martin is unsure about pros and cons of hybrid approach (cvs+git) vs git native at Eclipse.org
- How to move forward: Use Public channels to collect facts, procedures, best practices - see Git for Committers
Old items
- See also Architecture Council/Open Issues for overflow items that were not discussed
Action Items
- (old) Martin to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication
- (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
- (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
- While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
- (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
- (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list
- (old) Tools and Tech PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor
- Cedric, Tom talk to their PMCs about making AC representation official (can be 2 backup reps)
- AC Panelists review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki
- Everyone add to the Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009 agenda
- Indicate attendance if you plan to come