Difference between revisions of "Architecture Council/Meetings/March 12 2009"

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Meeting Title:	Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time:	Thursday March 12, 2009 at 1600 UTC / 0900 SFO / 1200 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin HTML | iCal
Dial-in:	(+1) 613.287.8000 (Ottawa and international) or 866.362.7064 (toll-free North America) passcode 464440#

Attendees

• Use the Doodle Attendance Tracking Poll to confirm attendance or send regrets for this meeting. See this message for how to use it. All AC Members are invited.
• PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.

• Signed-up: John Arthorne, Boris Bokowski, Neil Hauge, Markus Knauer, Bernd Kolb, Andrew Overholt, Michael Scharf, Mark VandenBrink
• Regrets: Chris Aniszczyk, Oliver Cole, Mary Ruddy, Darin Swanson, Gunnar Wagenknecht
• No-Show: David Carver, Doug Clarke, Adrian Colyer, Tim deBoer, Naci Dai, Sven Efftinge, Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Doug Gaff, John Graham, Richard Gronback, Mik Kersten, Jochen Krause, Wenfeng Li, Jeff McAffer, Mike Milinkovich, Philippe Mulet, Doug Schaefer, Tom Schindl, Georg Schmidt, David Williams, Darin Wright

Agenda / Notes

• Feel free to edit, but not during the call!

Review of Last Meeting

• Architecture Council/Minutes February 12 2009
  • Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it
  • AC Wiki: aren't we done?
  • IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only - Wayne: a matter of throtteling input by escalating via PMC/AC only

• Action Items
• [Image:Ok_green.gif] Dave Carver send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage
• [Image:Ok_green.gif] Mik to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature

• (old) Martin to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication
• (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
• (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
  • While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
• (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
• (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list (committed until end January)
• (old) All PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects ask for a mentor (by filing an AC bug)
• Everyone review/edit the various Architecture Council wiki pages, particularly the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel/FAQ and Architecture Council/Links Collection. Add questions to the FAQ.
• New Category markup allows us to tag other (non-AC) pages such that they show up under AC
  • Better organize the AC homepage: collect feedback... AI Dave send links to other Wiki pages for review to check which ones we might want to emulate, also, everyone can make suggestions / create mock-up pages for review.
• Still open items moved to #Action Items

Administrative

• PMC Representation on the AC - backup delegates, 1 attendee required
  • Backup still required for Tools PMC
  • Modeling: Cedric

News from the EMO & Councils

• Anything?

New Topics

• EclipseCon - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon
  • Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils
    • This is a big chance to really move forward
    • AI Everyone review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki

• • Official [Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] from 5pm-6pm, unofficial afterwards (Program Committee get-together after 6pm); want to have pizza dinner

• • Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel: many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently
    • AI Panelists review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki

• • Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo

• McQ, Boris, Dave Williams, etc. - can you provide a short re-cap of the Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119 meeting?
  • Boris - no free head at the moment. Wants to write Wiki with thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX")
  • McQ - should look at soon after Eclipsecon. What if the list of supported platforms changes?

• Boris - New Platform UI/Bug Triage (for one of the next meetings), hoping that over time we'll share some best practice

• bug 257706 news on git
  • MichaelS: Eclipse integration (Egit) is still problematic - can't get it to work productively
  • Markus: EclipseSource organizing a git BOF
  • Andrew: Shawn Pearce going to be at Eclipsecon - Egit much needed for Linux communities; perhaps not developing features as rapidly as some would like because of Jgit vs. just relying on command-line tool (but this is required for multi-OS support)
  • Bernd: Main developers just doing it in their sparetime - SAP thinking about actively contributing to Egit
  • Boris: Apache going to support git (but not as their main repo), because somebody stepped up hosting certain projects in git format. Boris likes "git bisect"
    • In Eclipse, checkout using commandline (not with Eclipse integration yet)
  • git at Eclipse: Most wanted Community addition by a factor of 5!
    • IP clearance missing for git (no time on IP Legal team to even look at it!)
    • 2 Problems: (a) distributed nature leads to problems if genie is set loose
    • Overhead of managing multiple repositories ... but that's only second order problem
    • We need a Doc package collecting information and arguments, but who could create it?
    • Martin is unsure about pros and cons of hybrid approach (cvs+git) vs git native at Eclipse.org
  • How to move forward: Use Public channels to collect facts, procedures, best practices

Old items

• See also Architecture Council/Open Issues for overflow items that were not discussed

Action Items

• AC Panelists review the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Q&A wiki
• Everyone add to the Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009 agenda

Next Meeting

• Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009
• Architecture Council/Meetings/April 9 2009