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| '''BIRT:'''
 
| '''BIRT:'''
| Wenfeng Li
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| <strike>Wenfeng Li</strike>
 
| Gary Xue
 
| Gary Xue
 
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|-
 
|-
 
| '''Modeling:'''
 
| '''Modeling:'''
| Richard Gronback
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| <strike>Richard Gronback</strike> Cedric Brun
| Ed Merks
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| <strike>Ed Merks</strike>
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''RT:'''
 
| '''RT:'''
| Jeff McAffer
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| <strike>Jeff McAffer</strike> Tom Watson
| Jochen Krause
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| <strike>Jochen Krause</strike>
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''STP:'''
 
| '''STP:'''
 
| Oisin Hurley
 
| Oisin Hurley
| Antoine Toulme
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| <strike>Antoine Toulme</strike>
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''Technology:'''
 
| '''Technology:'''
| Gunnar Wagenknecht
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| <strike>Gunnar Wagenknecht</strike>
 
| Wayne Beaton
 
| Wayne Beaton
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''Tools:'''
 
| '''Tools:'''
| Doug Schaefer
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| <strike>Doug Schaefer</strike>
 
|
 
|
 
|-
 
|-
 
| '''TPTP:'''
 
| '''TPTP:'''
 
| Eugene Chan
 
| Eugene Chan
| Oliver Cole<br/>Joanna Kubasta
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| <strike>Oliver Cole</strike><br/><strike>Joanna Kubasta</strike>
 
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| '''WTP:'''
 
| '''WTP:'''
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* '''Signed-up:'''
 
* '''Signed-up:'''
 
* '''Regrets:'''
 
* '''Regrets:'''
** Chris Aniszczyk (sorry, conflict)
 
 
* '''No-Show:'''
 
* '''No-Show:'''
  
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** Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it
 
** Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it
 
** AC Wiki: aren't we done?
 
** AC Wiki: aren't we done?
** IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only
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** IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only - Wayne: a matter of throtteling input by escalating via PMC/AC only
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* Action Items
 
* Action Items
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* [Image:Ok_green.gif] '''Dave Carver''' send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage
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* [Image:Ok_green.gif] '''Mik''' to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature
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 +
 
* (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication
 
* (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication
 
* (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
 
* (''old'') '''Martin''' to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
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* (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list (committed until end January)
 
* (''old'') '''Mik''' to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list (committed until end January)
 
* (''old'') '''All PMC's''' to encourage incubating grandfathered projects ask for a mentor (by [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community&component=Architecture%20Council filing an AC bug])
 
* (''old'') '''All PMC's''' to encourage incubating grandfathered projects ask for a mentor (by [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community&component=Architecture%20Council filing an AC bug])
* '''Dave Carver''' send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage
 
* '''Mik''' to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature
 
 
* '''Everyone''' review/edit the various [[Architecture Council]] wiki pages, particularly the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Panel/FAQ and [[Architecture Council/Links Collection]]. Add questions to the FAQ.
 
* '''Everyone''' review/edit the various [[Architecture Council]] wiki pages, particularly the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Panel/FAQ and [[Architecture Council/Links Collection]]. Add questions to the FAQ.
 
* New [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Category:Architecture_Council Category markup] allows us to tag other (non-AC) pages such that they show up under AC
 
* New [http://wiki.eclipse.org/Category:Architecture_Council Category markup] allows us to tag other (non-AC) pages such that they show up under AC
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=== Administrative ===
 
=== Administrative ===
* '''IP/Legal Discussions:''' IPZilla closed group is up.  In {{bug|214133}}, Martin asks whether having the link under the following areas of the portal is sufficient:
 
** Committer on (xxx) -> IP Policy -> [pose] a question
 
** Project lead for (xxx) -> IP Policy -> [pose] a question
 
 
* '''PMC Representation''' on the AC - backup delegates, 1 attendee required
 
* '''PMC Representation''' on the AC - backup delegates, 1 attendee required
 
** Backup still required for Tools PMC
 
** Backup still required for Tools PMC
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** Modeling: Cedric
  
 
=== News from the EMO & Councils ===
 
=== News from the EMO & Councils ===
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* '''EclipseCon''' - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon
 
* '''EclipseCon''' - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon
 
** Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils
 
** Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils
** Official [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] from 5pm-6pm, unofficial afterwards (Program Committee get-together after 6pm); want to have pizza dinner
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*** This is a big chance to really move forward
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*** '''AI Everyone''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A wiki
 +
 
 +
** Official [Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] from 5pm-6pm, unofficial afterwards (Program Committee get-together after 6pm); want to have pizza dinner
 +
 
 
** [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Panel: many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently
 
** [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Panel: many questions are important for ourselves to understand and answer consistently
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*** '''AI Panelists''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A wiki
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** Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo
 
** Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo
  
* McQ, Boris, Dave Williams, etc. - can you provide a short re-cap of the [[Architecture_Council/Meetings/API_Deprecation_20080119 API Deprecation meeting]]?
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* McQ, Boris, Dave Williams, etc. - can you provide a short re-cap of the [[Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119]] meeting?
* {{bug|262865}} i18n patches
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** Boris - no free head at the moment. Wants to write Wiki with thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX")
* {{bug|}} news on git
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** McQ - should look at soon after Eclipsecon. What if the list of supported platforms changes?
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* Boris - New [[Platform UI/Bug Triage]] (for one of the next meetings), hoping that over time we'll share some best practice
 +
 
 +
* {{bug|257706}} news on git
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** MichaelS: Eclipse integration (Egit) is still problematic - can't get it to work productively
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** Markus: EclipseSource organizing a git BOF
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** Andrew: Shawn Pearce going to be at Eclipsecon - Egit much needed for Linux communities; lagging because of Jgit plain Java impl
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** Bernd: Main developers just doing it in their sparetime - SAP thinking about actively contributing to Egit
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** Boris: Apache going to support git (but not as their main repo), because somebody stepped up hosting certain projects in git format. Boris likes "git bisect"
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*** In Eclipse, checkout using commandline (not with Eclipse integration yet)
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** git at Eclipse: Most wanted Community addition by a factor of 5!
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*** IP clearance missing for git (no time on IP Legal team to even look at it!)
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*** 2 Problems: (a) distributed nature leads to problems if genie is set loose
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*** Overhead of managing multiple repositories ... but that's only second order problem
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*** We need a Doc package collecting information and arguments, but who could create it?
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*** Martin is unsure about pros and cons of hybrid approach (cvs+git) vs git native at Eclipse.org
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** How to move forward: Use Public channels to collect facts, procedures, best practices
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=== Old items ===
 
=== Old items ===
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== Action Items ==
 
== Action Items ==
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* '''AC Panelists''' review the [[Architecture Council/Ask the AC]] Q&A wiki
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* '''Everyone''' add to the [[Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] agenda
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== Next Meeting ==
 
== Next Meeting ==

Revision as of 11:58, 12 March 2009

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BIRT: Wenfeng Li Gary Xue
DTP: Brian Fitzpatrick Linda Chan
DSDP: Doug Gaff Martin Oberhuber
Eclipse: Philippe Mulet Mike Wilson
Modeling: Richard Gronback Cedric Brun Ed Merks
RT: Jeff McAffer Tom Watson Jochen Krause
STP: Oisin Hurley Antoine Toulme
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: Doug Schaefer
TPTP: Eugene Chan Oliver Cole
Joanna Kubasta
WTP: Tim deBoer Dave Carver
  • Signed-up:
  • Regrets:
  • No-Show:

Agenda / Notes

  • Feel free to edit, but not during the call!

Review of Last Meeting

  • Architecture Council/Minutes February 12 2009
    • Thanks to Andrew and Wayne for organizing it
    • AC Wiki: aren't we done?
    • IPZilla discussions: escalate via PMC's only - Wayne: a matter of throtteling input by escalating via PMC/AC only
  • Action Items
  • [Image:Ok_green.gif] Dave Carver send links to Wiki pages which we might want to emulate for the AC Homepage
  • [Image:Ok_green.gif] Mik to propose a date for demoing the Mylyn "report a bug" feature


  • (old) Martin to follow up with the m2eclipse and IAM projects regarding duplication
  • (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
  • (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
    • While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
  • (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
  • (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list (committed until end January)
  • (old) All PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects ask for a mentor (by filing an AC bug)
  • Everyone review/edit the various Architecture Council wiki pages, particularly the Architecture Council/Ask the AC Panel/FAQ and Architecture Council/Links Collection. Add questions to the FAQ.
  • New Category markup allows us to tag other (non-AC) pages such that they show up under AC
    • Better organize the AC homepage: collect feedback... AI Dave send links to other Wiki pages for review to check which ones we might want to emulate, also, everyone can make suggestions / create mock-up pages for review.
  • Still open items moved to #Action Items

Administrative

  • PMC Representation on the AC - backup delegates, 1 attendee required
    • Backup still required for Tools PMC
    • Modeling: Cedric

News from the EMO & Councils

  • Anything?

New Topics

  • EclipseCon - AC meeting on Sunday before the conference (Mar 22) afternoon
    • Proposed StAC meeting 3pm-5pm including the AC, PC and RC; but we have some topics (like mentorship) not so interesting for the other councils
    • Official [Architecture Council/Meetings/March 22 F2F EclipseCon 2009]] from 5pm-6pm, unofficial afterwards (Program Committee get-together after 6pm); want to have pizza dinner
    • Mylyn Bug Reporting Demo
  • McQ, Boris, Dave Williams, etc. - can you provide a short re-cap of the Architecture Council/Meetings/API Deprecation 20080119 meeting?
    • Boris - no free head at the moment. Wants to write Wiki with thought experiments ("What ripple effects would it cause if EMF broke XX")
    • McQ - should look at soon after Eclipsecon. What if the list of supported platforms changes?
  • Boris - New Platform UI/Bug Triage (for one of the next meetings), hoping that over time we'll share some best practice
  • bug 257706 news on git
    • MichaelS: Eclipse integration (Egit) is still problematic - can't get it to work productively
    • Markus: EclipseSource organizing a git BOF
    • Andrew: Shawn Pearce going to be at Eclipsecon - Egit much needed for Linux communities; lagging because of Jgit plain Java impl
    • Bernd: Main developers just doing it in their sparetime - SAP thinking about actively contributing to Egit
    • Boris: Apache going to support git (but not as their main repo), because somebody stepped up hosting certain projects in git format. Boris likes "git bisect"
      • In Eclipse, checkout using commandline (not with Eclipse integration yet)
    • git at Eclipse: Most wanted Community addition by a factor of 5!
      • IP clearance missing for git (no time on IP Legal team to even look at it!)
      • 2 Problems: (a) distributed nature leads to problems if genie is set loose
      • Overhead of managing multiple repositories ... but that's only second order problem
      • We need a Doc package collecting information and arguments, but who could create it?
      • Martin is unsure about pros and cons of hybrid approach (cvs+git) vs git native at Eclipse.org
    • How to move forward: Use Public channels to collect facts, procedures, best practices


Old items

Action Items


Next Meeting