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== Attendees ==
 
== Attendees ==
  
* '''In attendance:'''  
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* '''In attendance:''' Carl Anderson (WTP), Mikael Barbero, Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Jonas Helming, Jim Hughes, Marc-Andre Laperle, Dani Megert, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Matthias Sohn, Eike Stepper
  
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* '''Regrets:''' Jay Jay Billings, Christian Campo, Mickael Istria, Maximilian Kögel, Martin Lippert, Alexander Nyßen, Krum Tsvetkov, Lars Vogel
* '''Regrets:''' Jay Jay Billings, Christian Campo, Jonas Helming, Maximilian Kögel, Marc-Andre Laperle, Martin O, Matthias Sohn, Lars Vogel, Gunnar Wagenknecht
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* '''In attendance:''' Mikael Barbero, Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Jim Hughes, Mickael Istia, Marc-Andre Laperle, Martin Lippert, Dani Megert, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Matthias Sohn, Krum Tsvetkov, Gunnar Wagenknecht
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* '''Regrets:''' Jay Jay Billings, Cédric Brun, Christian Campo, Jonas Helming, Maximilian Kögel, Alexander Nyßen, Pascal Rapicault, Eike Stepper, Lars Vogel
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* '''No-Show:''' Max Andersen, Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Nick Boldt, Ian Bull, Benjamin Cabé, Linda Chan, Naci Dai, Sebastien Gerard, Neil Hauge, Kenn Hussey, Tyler Jewell, Markus Knauer, Konstantin Kommissarchik, Alex Kurtakov, Benoit Langlois, Ed Merks, Mike Milinkovich, Adrian Mos, Steffen Pingel, Tom Schindl, Julien Vermillard, Tom Watson, David Williams, Mike Wilson
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* '''No-Show:''' Max Andersen, Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Nick Boldt, Cédric Brun, Ian Bull, Benjamin Cabé, Linda Chan, Naci Dai, Sebastien Gerard, Neil Hauge, Kenn Hussey, Tyler Jewell, Markus Knauer, Konstantin Kommissarchik, Alex Kurtakov, Benoit Langlois, Ed Merks, Mike Milinkovich, Adrian Mos, Steffen Pingel, Pascal Rapicault, Tom Schindl, Julien Vermillard, Gunnar Wagenknecht, Tom Watson, Mike Wilson
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[[#PMC_Rep_Attendees]] see also below.
 
[[#PMC_Rep_Attendees]] see also below.
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* Feel free to edit, but '''<font color="red">not during the call!</font>'''
 
* Feel free to edit, but '''<font color="red">not during the call!</font>'''
* Last meeting: [[Architecture Council/Meetings/November 10 2016]] -- open actions see [[#Action_Items]]
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* Last meeting: [[Architecture Council/Meetings/December 8 2016]] -- open actions see [[#Action_Items]]
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=== General Topics ===
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* '''Carl Anderson''' introduction
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** Been with IBM for a very long time, replacing Chuck Bridgham as WTP PMC Lead (and David Williams as WTP Releng guy)
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* Denis: '''Simrel Build''' taken on by Frederic Gurr
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** Please support Frederic in this new role
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** Will shift some discussion on build mechanics from cross-project to the cbi-dev mailing list
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** Eclipse Platform build still done by Platform project (Sravan), Fred only does the aggregation
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* Marcel: '''New AC Members'''
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** '''AI Wayne''' nomination
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* Marcel: '''Next Iteration of FEEP'''
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** Mikael: received 6 bids in December, reviewing now, expect to present next week
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** Looking at Budget available, this is a good number, would love to have more but may not be able to fund all of them
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* Marcel/Mikael: '''Quality of the Eclipse Marketplace Plugins'''
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** Marcel reaching out to providers with Error Reporting; discussions with Ian
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** Mikael meeting Mike in Ottawa next week, will report on the outcome
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** Ed Merks is working on a tool to identify ''Invalid Solution Listings'', see [https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=509929 bug 509929] with first results
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=== Wayne: IP Due Diligence Changes ===
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* Wayne: '''New IP Due Diligence Changes'''
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** Wayne's writing some blogs now; would like to get pushed out by March - Type A or B due diligence
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** Type A just checks for license compatibility; goal is having this done by projects themselves (with help of tools like FOSSology, IP team helping out until tools are ready).
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*** Laid some groundwork for integration with IPZilla, eg monitor and drop reports there
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*** Hoping to get to full automation by end of the year
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*** Looking for incremental improvements as more and more projects adopt it
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** Type B: A plus provenance check
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*** Projects start with Type A in incubation - may switch to type B (or not) when graduating
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*** Projects can mix, eg multiple type A releases followed by a yearly type B release
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*** Picked a couple of projects already doing type A, rolling out en-large this quarter
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** Release process is a separate, related topic.
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=== Doug: Eclipse Two ===
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* Doug: '''Eclipse Two'''
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** See https://cdtdoug.ca/2016/12/31/looking-forward-to-2017/ experimenting with Electron
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** Busy with project stuff until March, exposing to the Community now and see where it goes
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** Looking at an IDE on Electron to go beyond VS Code which is just an editor
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** Trying to get hold of some trends in the industry before others do it (especially in the Eclipse and Embedded communities)
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*** Lightweight, not coupled to IResource; advanced visualizations and tools like TraceCompass, Android, Modeling...
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*** Qt has its own IDE, Adacore has its own, Andmore is dead ... time to try something new, but will only work if Community forms around it
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** Relationship to the ide-dev and ui guideline stuff ?
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*** Those are still classic Eclipse - same people, not really growing, thus tried something new ... all depends on where Community takes it
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*** MichaelS: As Eclipse insiders, we tend to question too much ... many users are still just happy getting work done with Eclipse.
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*** "Heavy" plugins inside Eclipse duplicate much. Using the VS Code architecture, the IDE becomes more replaceable for mix-and-match of components from various sources...
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*** Doug: Working on integrating live language server in CDT, likely based on libclang
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*** Michael: Could there be a universal data model for languages including type hierarchy ?
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*** Doug: LSP is an extensible protocol. It's going to grow into this.
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*** '''CONCLUSION''': Would work towards a virtual meet-up, but Doug has no time until March; until then, everything is on Github, feel free to join in
  
* Marcel/Mikael: Quality of the Eclipse Marketplace Plugins
 
* Mickael I.: CI slaves being a bottleneck for Platform https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=508507 , SLES vs CentOS https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=506995
 
* Mickael I.: Question: Do we have metrics/indicators about the effect of requiring mailing to post on Bugzilla? Specifically in the trend of 1st time reporters?
 
  
 
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* Mickael I.: CI slaves being a bottleneck for Platform https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=508507 , SLES vs CentOS https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=506995
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* Mickael I.: Question: Do we have metrics/indicators about the effect of requiring mailing to post on Bugzilla? Specifically in the trend of 1st time reporters?
  
 
* '''New AC Member candidates''' - see [[Architecture Council/Members and Mentors]], and the [http://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/council.php#architecture Councils Page]
 
* '''New AC Member candidates''' - see [[Architecture Council/Members and Mentors]], and the [http://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/council.php#architecture Councils Page]
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| '''BIRT:'''  
 
| '''BIRT:'''  
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| '''DTP:'''  
 
| '''DTP:'''  
| Brian Payton
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| Linda Chan
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| <strike>Linda Chan</strike>
 
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| '''Eclipse:'''  
 
| '''Eclipse:'''  
 
| Dani Megert
 
| Dani Megert
| Mike Wilson
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| '''Modeling:'''  
 
| '''Modeling:'''  
| Ed Merks
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| Cédric Brun<br>Eike Stepper
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| Eike Stepper
 
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| '''Mylyn:'''  
 
| '''Mylyn:'''  
| Steffen Pingel
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| <strike>Steffen Pingel</strike>
| Mik Kersten
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| <strike>Mik Kersten</strike>
 
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| '''RT:'''  
 
| '''RT:'''  
| Christian Campo
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| <strike>Christian Campo</strike>
| Tom Watson<br>Doug Clarke<br>Ian Bull
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| '''SOA:'''  
 
| '''SOA:'''  
| Adrian Mos
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| Marc Dutoo
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| '''Technology:'''  
 
| '''Technology:'''  
| Gunnar Wagenknecht
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| <strike>Gunnar Wagenknecht</strike>
 
| Wayne Beaton
 
| Wayne Beaton
 
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| '''Tools:'''  
 
| '''Tools:'''  
 
| Doug Schaefer
 
| Doug Schaefer
| Alex Kurtakov
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| <strike>Alex Kurtakov</strike>
 
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| '''WTP:'''  
 
| '''WTP:'''  
| Chuck Bridgham
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| Carl Anderson
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Meeting Title: Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time: Thursday January 12, 2017 at 1100 Ottawa
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Dial-in: See Eclipse Asterisk

Attendees

  • In attendance: Carl Anderson (WTP), Mikael Barbero, Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Jonas Helming, Jim Hughes, Marc-Andre Laperle, Dani Megert, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Matthias Sohn, Eike Stepper
  • Regrets: Jay Jay Billings, Christian Campo, Mickael Istria, Maximilian Kögel, Martin Lippert, Alexander Nyßen, Krum Tsvetkov, Lars Vogel
  • No-Show: Max Andersen, Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Nick Boldt, Cédric Brun, Ian Bull, Benjamin Cabé, Linda Chan, Naci Dai, Sebastien Gerard, Neil Hauge, Kenn Hussey, Tyler Jewell, Markus Knauer, Konstantin Kommissarchik, Alex Kurtakov, Benoit Langlois, Ed Merks, Mike Milinkovich, Adrian Mos, Steffen Pingel, Pascal Rapicault, Tom Schindl, Julien Vermillard, Gunnar Wagenknecht, Tom Watson, Mike Wilson

#PMC_Rep_Attendees see also below.

Agenda / Notes

General Topics

  • Carl Anderson introduction
    • Been with IBM for a very long time, replacing Chuck Bridgham as WTP PMC Lead (and David Williams as WTP Releng guy)
  • Denis: Simrel Build taken on by Frederic Gurr
    • Please support Frederic in this new role
    • Will shift some discussion on build mechanics from cross-project to the cbi-dev mailing list
    • Eclipse Platform build still done by Platform project (Sravan), Fred only does the aggregation
  • Marcel: New AC Members
    • AI Wayne nomination
  • Marcel: Next Iteration of FEEP
    • Mikael: received 6 bids in December, reviewing now, expect to present next week
    • Looking at Budget available, this is a good number, would love to have more but may not be able to fund all of them
  • Marcel/Mikael: Quality of the Eclipse Marketplace Plugins
    • Marcel reaching out to providers with Error Reporting; discussions with Ian
    • Mikael meeting Mike in Ottawa next week, will report on the outcome
    • Ed Merks is working on a tool to identify Invalid Solution Listings, see bug 509929 with first results

Wayne: IP Due Diligence Changes

  • Wayne: New IP Due Diligence Changes
    • Wayne's writing some blogs now; would like to get pushed out by March - Type A or B due diligence
    • Type A just checks for license compatibility; goal is having this done by projects themselves (with help of tools like FOSSology, IP team helping out until tools are ready).
      • Laid some groundwork for integration with IPZilla, eg monitor and drop reports there
      • Hoping to get to full automation by end of the year
      • Looking for incremental improvements as more and more projects adopt it
    • Type B: A plus provenance check
      • Projects start with Type A in incubation - may switch to type B (or not) when graduating
      • Projects can mix, eg multiple type A releases followed by a yearly type B release
      • Picked a couple of projects already doing type A, rolling out en-large this quarter
    • Release process is a separate, related topic.

Doug: Eclipse Two

  • Doug: Eclipse Two
    • See https://cdtdoug.ca/2016/12/31/looking-forward-to-2017/ experimenting with Electron
    • Busy with project stuff until March, exposing to the Community now and see where it goes
    • Looking at an IDE on Electron to go beyond VS Code which is just an editor
    • Trying to get hold of some trends in the industry before others do it (especially in the Eclipse and Embedded communities)
      • Lightweight, not coupled to IResource; advanced visualizations and tools like TraceCompass, Android, Modeling...
      • Qt has its own IDE, Adacore has its own, Andmore is dead ... time to try something new, but will only work if Community forms around it
    • Relationship to the ide-dev and ui guideline stuff ?
      • Those are still classic Eclipse - same people, not really growing, thus tried something new ... all depends on where Community takes it
      • MichaelS: As Eclipse insiders, we tend to question too much ... many users are still just happy getting work done with Eclipse.
      • "Heavy" plugins inside Eclipse duplicate much. Using the VS Code architecture, the IDE becomes more replaceable for mix-and-match of components from various sources...
      • Doug: Working on integrating live language server in CDT, likely based on libclang
      • Michael: Could there be a universal data model for languages including type hierarchy ?
      • Doug: LSP is an extensible protocol. It's going to grow into this.
      • CONCLUSION: Would work towards a virtual meet-up, but Doug has no time until March; until then, everything is on Github, feel free to join in


PMC Rep Attendees

All AC Members are invited.

  • PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: Gary Xue
DTP: Brian Payton Linda Chan
Eclipse: Dani Megert Mike Wilson
Modeling: Ed Merks Eike Stepper
Mylyn: Steffen Pingel Mik Kersten
RT: Christian Campo Tom Watson
SOA: Adrian Mos Marc Dutoo
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: Doug Schaefer Alex Kurtakov
WTP: Carl Anderson Neil Hauge
LocationTech: Jim Hughes
IoT: Julien Vermillard

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