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* Last meeting: [[Architecture Council/Meetings/December 8 2016]] -- open actions see [[#Action_Items]] | * Last meeting: [[Architecture Council/Meetings/December 8 2016]] -- open actions see [[#Action_Items]] | ||
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| + | === General Topics === | ||
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| + | * '''Carl Andersen''' introduction | ||
| + | ** Been with IBM for a very long time, replacing David Williams | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Denis: '''Simrel Build''' taken on by Frederic Gurr | ||
| + | ** Please support Frederic in this new role | ||
| + | ** Will shift some discussion on build mechanics from cross-project to the cbi-dev mailing list | ||
| + | ** Eclipse Platform build still done by Platform project (Sravan), Fred only does the aggregation | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Marcel: '''New AC Members''' | ||
| + | ** '''AI Wayne''' nomination | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Marcel: '''Next Iteration of FEEP''' | ||
| + | ** Mikael: received 6 bids in December, reviewing now, expect to present next week | ||
| + | ** Looking at Budget available, this is a good number, would love to have more but may not be able to fund all of them | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Marcel/Mikael: '''Quality of the Eclipse Marketplace Plugins''' | ||
| + | ** Marcel reaching out to providers with Error Reporting; discussions with Ian | ||
| + | ** Mikael meeting Mike in Ottawa next week, will report on the outcome | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Wayne: IP Due Diligence Changes === | ||
| + | * Wayne: '''New IP Due Diligence Changes''' | ||
| + | ** Wayne's writing some blogs now; would like to get pushed out by March - Type A or B due diligence | ||
| + | ** Type A just checks for license compatibility; goal is having this done by projects themselves (with help of tools like FOSSology, IP team helping out until tools are ready). | ||
| + | *** Laid some groundwork for integration with IPZilla, eg monitor and drop reports there | ||
| + | *** Hoping to get to full automation by end of the year | ||
| + | *** Looking for incremental improvements as more and more projects adopt it | ||
| + | ** Type B: A plus provenance check | ||
| + | *** Projects start with Type A in incubation - may switch to type B (or not) when graduating | ||
| + | *** Projects can mix, eg multiple type A releases followed by a yearly type B release | ||
| + | *** Picked a couple of projects already doing type A, rolling out en-large this quarter | ||
| + | ** Release process is a separate, related topic. | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Doug: Eclipse Two === | ||
| + | * Doug: '''Eclipse Two''' | ||
| + | ** See https://cdtdoug.ca/2016/12/31/looking-forward-to-2017/ experimenting with Electron | ||
| + | ** Busy with project stuff until March, exposing to the Community now and see where it goes | ||
| + | ** Looking at an IDE on Electron to go beyond VS Code which is just an editor | ||
| + | ** Trying to get hold of some trends in the industry before others do it (especially in the Eclipse and Embedded communities) | ||
| + | *** Lightweight, not coupled to IResource; advanced visualizations and tools like TraceCompass, Android, Modeling... | ||
| + | *** Qt has its own IDE, Adacore has its own, Andmore is dead ... time to try something new, but will only work if Community forms around it | ||
| + | ** Relationship to the ide-dev and ui guideline stuff ? | ||
| + | *** Those are still classic Eclipse - same people, not really growing, thus tried something new ... all depends on where Community takes it | ||
| + | *** MichaelS: As Eclipse insiders, we tend to question too much ... many users are still just happy getting work done with Eclipse. | ||
| + | *** "Heavy" plugins inside Eclipse duplicate much. Using the VS Code architecture, the IDE becomes more replaceable for mix-and-match of components from various sources... | ||
| + | *** Doug: Working on integrating live language server in CDT, likely based on libclang | ||
| + | *** Michael: Could there be a universal data model for languages including type hierarchy ? | ||
| + | *** Doug: LSP is an extensible protocol. It's going to grow into this. | ||
| + | *** '''CONCLUSION''': Would work towards a virtual meet-up, but Doug has no time until March; until then, everything is on Github, feel free to join in | ||
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* Mickael I.: CI slaves being a bottleneck for Platform https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=508507 , SLES vs CentOS https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=506995 | * Mickael I.: CI slaves being a bottleneck for Platform https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=508507 , SLES vs CentOS https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=506995 | ||
* Mickael I.: Question: Do we have metrics/indicators about the effect of requiring mailing to post on Bugzilla? Specifically in the trend of 1st time reporters? | * Mickael I.: Question: Do we have metrics/indicators about the effect of requiring mailing to post on Bugzilla? Specifically in the trend of 1st time reporters? | ||
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* '''New AC Member candidates''' - see [[Architecture Council/Members and Mentors]], and the [http://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/council.php#architecture Councils Page] | * '''New AC Member candidates''' - see [[Architecture Council/Members and Mentors]], and the [http://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/council.php#architecture Councils Page] | ||
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| '''BIRT:''' | | '''BIRT:''' | ||
| − | | Gary Xue | + | | <strike>Gary Xue</strike> |
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| '''DTP:''' | | '''DTP:''' | ||
| − | | Brian Payton | + | | <strike>Brian Payton</strike> |
| − | | Linda Chan | + | | <strike>Linda Chan</strike> |
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| '''Eclipse:''' | | '''Eclipse:''' | ||
| Dani Megert | | Dani Megert | ||
| − | | Mike Wilson | + | | <strike>Mike Wilson</strike> |
|- | |- | ||
| '''Modeling:''' | | '''Modeling:''' | ||
| − | | Ed Merks | + | | <strike>Ed Merks</strike> |
| − | + | | Eike Stepper | |
|- | |- | ||
| '''Mylyn:''' | | '''Mylyn:''' | ||
| − | | Steffen Pingel | + | | <strike>Steffen Pingel</strike> |
| − | | Mik Kersten | + | | <strike>Mik Kersten</strike> |
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| '''RT:''' | | '''RT:''' | ||
| − | | Christian Campo | + | | <strike>Christian Campo</strike> |
| − | | | + | | <strike>Tom Watson</strike> |
|- | |- | ||
| '''SOA:''' | | '''SOA:''' | ||
| − | | Adrian Mos | + | | <strike>Adrian Mos</strike> |
| − | | Marc Dutoo | + | | <strike>Marc Dutoo</strike> |
|- | |- | ||
| '''Technology:''' | | '''Technology:''' | ||
| − | | Gunnar Wagenknecht | + | | <strike>Gunnar Wagenknecht</strike> |
| Wayne Beaton | | Wayne Beaton | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Tools:''' | | '''Tools:''' | ||
| Doug Schaefer | | Doug Schaefer | ||
| − | | Alex Kurtakov | + | | <strike>Alex Kurtakov</strike> |
|- | |- | ||
| '''WTP:''' | | '''WTP:''' | ||
| − | | | + | | Carl Andersen |
| − | | Neil Hauge | + | | <strike>Neil Hauge</strike> |
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| '''LocationTech:''' | | '''LocationTech:''' | ||
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| '''IoT:''' | | '''IoT:''' | ||
| − | | Julien Vermillard | + | | <strike>Julien Vermillard</strike> |
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Revision as of 12:47, 12 January 2017
| Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Thursday January 12, 2017 at 1100 Ottawa  HTML |  iCal
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| Dial-in: | Let's use the Foundation's Asterisk setup for this call:
Participant conference extension: 701 then enter pin: 51968
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Contents
Attendees
- In attendance: Carl Andersen (WTP), Mikael Barbero, Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Jonas Helming, Jim Hughes, Marc-Andre Laperle, Dani Megert, Martin O, Denis Roy, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Matthias Sohn, Eike Stepper,
#PMC_Rep_Attendees see also below.
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
- Last meeting: Architecture Council/Meetings/December 8 2016 -- open actions see #Action_Items
General Topics
- Carl Andersen introduction
- Been with IBM for a very long time, replacing David Williams
- Denis: Simrel Build taken on by Frederic Gurr
- Please support Frederic in this new role
- Will shift some discussion on build mechanics from cross-project to the cbi-dev mailing list
- Eclipse Platform build still done by Platform project (Sravan), Fred only does the aggregation
- Marcel: New AC Members
- AI Wayne nomination
- Marcel: Next Iteration of FEEP
- Mikael: received 6 bids in December, reviewing now, expect to present next week
- Looking at Budget available, this is a good number, would love to have more but may not be able to fund all of them
- Marcel/Mikael: Quality of the Eclipse Marketplace Plugins
- Marcel reaching out to providers with Error Reporting; discussions with Ian
- Mikael meeting Mike in Ottawa next week, will report on the outcome
Wayne: IP Due Diligence Changes
- Wayne: New IP Due Diligence Changes
- Wayne's writing some blogs now; would like to get pushed out by March - Type A or B due diligence
- Type A just checks for license compatibility; goal is having this done by projects themselves (with help of tools like FOSSology, IP team helping out until tools are ready).
- Laid some groundwork for integration with IPZilla, eg monitor and drop reports there
- Hoping to get to full automation by end of the year
- Looking for incremental improvements as more and more projects adopt it
- Type B: A plus provenance check
- Projects start with Type A in incubation - may switch to type B (or not) when graduating
- Projects can mix, eg multiple type A releases followed by a yearly type B release
- Picked a couple of projects already doing type A, rolling out en-large this quarter
- Release process is a separate, related topic.
Doug: Eclipse Two
- Doug: Eclipse Two
- See https://cdtdoug.ca/2016/12/31/looking-forward-to-2017/ experimenting with Electron
- Busy with project stuff until March, exposing to the Community now and see where it goes
- Looking at an IDE on Electron to go beyond VS Code which is just an editor
- Trying to get hold of some trends in the industry before others do it (especially in the Eclipse and Embedded communities)
- Lightweight, not coupled to IResource; advanced visualizations and tools like TraceCompass, Android, Modeling...
- Qt has its own IDE, Adacore has its own, Andmore is dead ... time to try something new, but will only work if Community forms around it
- Relationship to the ide-dev and ui guideline stuff ?
- Those are still classic Eclipse - same people, not really growing, thus tried something new ... all depends on where Community takes it
- MichaelS: As Eclipse insiders, we tend to question too much ... many users are still just happy getting work done with Eclipse.
- "Heavy" plugins inside Eclipse duplicate much. Using the VS Code architecture, the IDE becomes more replaceable for mix-and-match of components from various sources...
- Doug: Working on integrating live language server in CDT, likely based on libclang
- Michael: Could there be a universal data model for languages including type hierarchy ?
- Doug: LSP is an extensible protocol. It's going to grow into this.
- CONCLUSION: Would work towards a virtual meet-up, but Doug has no time until March; until then, everything is on Github, feel free to join in
PMC Rep Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
| BIRT: | |
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| DTP: | |
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| Eclipse: | Dani Megert | |
| Modeling: | |
Eike Stepper |
| Mylyn: | |
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| RT: | |
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| SOA: | |
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| Technology: | |
Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | Doug Schaefer | |
| WTP: | Carl Andersen | |
| LocationTech: | Jim Hughes | |
| IoT: | |