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Architecture Council/Meetings/February 9 2012

Meeting Title: Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time: Thursday February 9, 2012 at 1600 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin attention DST change
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All AC Members are invited.

  • PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: Wenfeng Li Wenbin He
DTP: Brian Payton Linda Chan
Eclipse: Mike Wilson John Arthorne
Boris Bokowski
Modeling: Ed Merks Cédric Brun
Sven Efftinge
Mylyn: Steffen Pingel Mik Kersten
RT: Jeff McAffer Tom Watson
SOA: Adrian Mos Sebastien Gandon
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: Doug Schaefer
WTP: Chuck Bridgham Dave Carver
Neil Hauge

  • Regrets: Oliver Cole (standing conflict), Wenfeng Li (standing conflict), Andrew Overholt (after 45 minutes of the call)
  • David Williams, Doug Schaefer, Neil Hauge, Chuck Bridgham, Kim Moir, Markus Knauer, Tom Watson, Achim Loerke, Brian Payton, Igor Fedorenko, Steffen Pingel, Ed Merks, Mary Ruddy, Wayne Beaton

Agenda / Notes

  • Feel free to edit, but not during the call!

Review of Last Meeting

New Topics

  • Tom Watson: Clarification on PMC Rep for RT - New: Christian Campo
  • Kim: AOSA Book
    • Not relevant any more, looks like
    • Last year the Architecture of Open Source Applications book was released. This year the editors are working on volume II with a new set of authors and open source projects. They are looking for technical reviewers for these chapters, if you're interested let me know and I can put you in touch with the editors.
  • Andrew O.: brief FOSDEM trip report (this weekend in Brussles)
    • Volunteer conference on Open Source in Europe, thousands of developers
    • Mike Milinkovich, Gunnar Wagenknecht and Andrew put up an Eclipse stand
    • Mike demoed Orion; Gunnar mostly RT and other things; Andrew C/C++ and Linuxtools
    • Most people came by just saying "thanks"
    • Overview talk by Mike, 15 min lightning talks by Gunnar and Andrew

General Topics

  • Updates from the Board
    • Markus K: Nothing new
  • git @ Eclipse progress
    • Denis put the DenyNonFastForward flag in place ... going pretty well by now
    • Tom W: Website is still in CVS, migration path ?
      • Wayne: Foundation to put EMO's pages into git first (until Juno), then recommend to / migrate other projects
  • Maven @ Eclipse progress
    • Tycho Working well for Linuxtools, CDT, ...
    • Tycho 0.14 to support generation of source features (was hard to do since PDE was lacking docs on source feature generation)
    • Tycho 0.14 docs: New&Noteworthy notes, or tycho-dev mailing list if there are questions
    • PDE Build features like .api_description files: planned to add at some point but no cycles at the moment
    • There won't be a promise to support everything from PDE Build ... not even those being used by the Platform build (eg .net files)
      • Request for contributions .. trying to engage with every developer who's willing to contribute
      • Wayne: thinks there's going to be a natural process of projects requesting features (and/or contributing patches)
  • Parent POM Effort
    • Not much updates / activity recently ... but would be important !
    • EMO going to bring a new releng engineer on staff with the Foundation, hopes work to be picked up by that person
    • activity seems to have died ... but that's a very important resource!
      • Igor: Mission Statement for ? - Wayne: Currently lacking, this is a main problem ! Community started it, but now..?
      • Original goal was to provide content of Eclipse Release Repos to Maven users ?
        • Looking at AC for guidance what's needed ! Who's the consumers and what are their needs ?
        • Nobody on AC today has a vested interest in ... who outside the AC might have a vested interest in
      • AI Martin ask for people with requirements / vested interest in on mailing list
      • AI Martin contact / propose potential new AC members
  • LTS
    • Current state is Andrew Ross will let us know when there
  • Hudson @ Eclipse
    • Andrew: Lots of issues were fixed by Denis and team
    • JBoss Jenkins instance is pretty stable
    • Sonatype successfully used a really big instance of Hudson
    • What's making instabilities reappear again and again ? What about advance notice of any change to the infrastructure (like adding slaves, ...)
      • A single misbehaving job can bring down the entire system ?
      • Kim: Wondering if we need more slaves ... there's always a backlog of jobs ready to run (20 at the moment) although some slaves are idle
        • Most seem to be waiting on Slave 1 ?!? Should encourage others to no longer pin on Slave 1
        • AI Kim to open a bug with Denis
        • AI Doug S to unpin the CDT Job
  • Christian Campo: Riena not on the Release Train
    • Still on the Release Train but not on the Composite Repo .. situation is OK for Christian
    • Working with Eclipse Platform
  • Wayne: Universities want to do Studies
    • Anybody want to help setting up a survey regarding use of Eclipse API's in commercial products ?
  • New SIP Conf provider would save the Foundation a lot of money
    • Projects can do team calls ... can help projects set up their own team bridge
    • If projects are interested participating, just send an E-Mail to Wayne - every project can have an individual line
    • Igor's Sound Quality was very bad ... Wayne says that this is the first negative feedback
  • Google Summer of Code was announced
  • Dave Williams: Encourage People to open Bugs when they see problems rather than posting to cross-project
    • Martin: Encourage AC members to move bugs from mailing lists to bugzilla
    • Dave: Don't discourage using the mailing list ... but encourage to
  • Register for EclipseCon
    • Committers / Alumni need to use Coupon Code from the Econ website (FAQ, or right-hand border)
  • AC Backlog

Old Topics

  • bug 324125 architecture diagrams - 2006 version - relationship to e4 ?
  • IP Logs - Martin and Wayne - project woolsey exists and open for community, Wayne hopes get soemthing downloadable by Christmas
    • Allow projects to file bugs which list collections of libraries that are used for testing (and mark these collectively as exemt prereqs)
      • Couldn't distribute those libs or put them in scm, but could have them on the build server

We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:

  • DaveC would like to discuss New Committer Guidelines; Scrum / Agile techniques
  • bug 288393 - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices

Action Items

  • Cleaned up old action items, see Architecture Council/Meetings/February 10 2011 for old stuff
  • (old) Martin to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
  • (old) Tim write up an initial wiki page with information for people to standardize on the tracing API
  • Martin revise the AC Wiki to make it easier to find the New Member Process. More links on homepage. More usage of categories.
  • Martin bug 315210 Make the AC mailing list open / moderated

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