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* '''Regrets:''' Oliver Cole (standing conflict), Wenfeng Li (standing conflict), Andrew Overholt (after 45 minutes of the call) | * '''Regrets:''' Oliver Cole (standing conflict), Wenfeng Li (standing conflict), Andrew Overholt (after 45 minutes of the call) | ||
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+ | * David Williams, Doug Schaefer, Neil Hauge, Chuck Bridgham, Kim Moir, Markus Knauer, Tom Watson, Achim Loerke, Brian Payton, Igor Fedorenko, Steffen Pingel, Ed Merks, Mary Ruddy, Wayne Beaton | ||
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=== New Topics === | === New Topics === | ||
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− | Andrew O.: brief FOSDEM trip report | + | * Tom Watson: '''Clarification on PMC Rep for RT''' - New: Christian Campo |
+ | |||
+ | * Kim: '''AOSA Book''' | ||
+ | ** Not relevant any more, looks like | ||
+ | ** Last year the [http://www.aosabook.org Architecture of Open Source Applications] book was released. This year the editors are working on volume II with a new set of authors and open source projects. They are looking for technical reviewers for these chapters, if you're interested let me know and I can put you in touch with the editors. | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Andrew O.: '''brief FOSDEM trip report''' (this weekend in Brussles) | ||
+ | ** Volunteer conference on Open Source in Europe, thousands of developers | ||
+ | ** Mike Milinkovich, Gunnar Wagenknecht and Andrew put up an Eclipse stand | ||
+ | ** Mike demoed Orion; Gunnar mostly RT and other things; Andrew C/C++ and Linuxtools | ||
+ | ** Most people came by just saying "thanks" | ||
+ | ** Overview talk by Mike, 15 min lightning talks by Gunnar and Andrew | ||
=== General Topics === | === General Topics === | ||
− | * Updates from the Board | + | * '''Updates from the Board''' |
− | * git @ Eclipse progress | + | ** Markus K: Nothing new |
− | * Maven @ Eclipse progress | + | |
+ | * '''git @ Eclipse progress''' | ||
+ | ** Denis put the DenyNonFastForward flag in place ... going pretty well by now | ||
+ | ** Tom W: Website is still in CVS, migration path ? | ||
+ | *** Wayne: Foundation to put EMO's pages into git first (until Juno), then recommend to / migrate other projects | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''Maven @ Eclipse progress''' | ||
+ | ** Tycho Working well for Linuxtools, CDT, ... | ||
+ | ** Tycho 0.14 to support generation of source features (was hard to do since PDE was lacking docs on source feature generation) | ||
+ | ** Tycho 0.14 docs: New&Noteworthy notes, or tycho-dev mailing list if there are questions | ||
+ | ** PDE Build features like .api_description files: planned to add at some point but no cycles at the moment | ||
+ | ** There won't be a promise to support everything from PDE Build ... not even those being used by the Platform build (eg .net files) | ||
+ | *** Request for contributions .. trying to engage with every developer who's willing to contribute | ||
+ | *** Wayne: thinks there's going to be a natural process of projects requesting features (and/or contributing patches) | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''Parent POM Effort''' | ||
+ | ** Not much updates / activity recently ... but would be important ! | ||
+ | ** EMO going to bring a new releng engineer on staff with the Foundation, hopes work to be picked up by that person | ||
+ | ** maven.eclipse.org activity seems to have died ... but that's a very important resource! | ||
+ | *** Igor: '''Mission Statement for maven.eclipse.org''' ? - Wayne: Currently lacking, this is a main problem ! Community started it, but now..? | ||
+ | *** Original goal was to provide content of Eclipse Release Repos to Maven users ? | ||
+ | **** Looking at AC for guidance what's needed ! Who's the consumers and what are their needs ? | ||
+ | **** Nobody on AC today has a vested interest in maven.eclipse.org ... who outside the AC might have a vested interest in maven.eclipse.org | ||
+ | *** '''AI Martin''' ask for people with requirements / vested interest in maven.eclipse.org on mailing list | ||
+ | *** '''AI Martin''' contact / propose potential new AC members | ||
+ | |||
+ | * LTS | ||
+ | ** Current state is Andrew Ross will let us know when there | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''Hudson @ Eclipse''' | ||
+ | ** Andrew: Lots of issues were fixed by Denis and team | ||
+ | ** JBoss Jenkins instance is pretty stable | ||
+ | ** Sonatype successfully used a really big instance of Hudson | ||
+ | ** What's making instabilities reappear again and again ? What about advance notice of any change to the infrastructure (like adding slaves, ...) | ||
+ | *** A single misbehaving job can bring down the entire system ? | ||
+ | *** Kim: Wondering if we need more slaves ... there's always a backlog of jobs ready to run (20 at the moment) although some slaves are idle | ||
+ | **** Most seem to be waiting on Slave 1 ?!? Should encourage others to no longer pin on Slave 1 | ||
+ | **** '''AI Kim''' to open a bug with Denis | ||
+ | **** '''AI Doug S''' to unpin the CDT Job | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Christian Campo: '''Riena not on the Release Train''' | ||
+ | ** Still on the Release Train but not on the Composite Repo .. situation is OK for Christian | ||
+ | ** Working with Eclipse Platform | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Wayne: '''Universities want to do Studies''' | ||
+ | ** Anybody want to help setting up a survey regarding use of Eclipse API's in commercial products ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''New SIP Conf provider''' would save the Foundation a lot of money | ||
+ | ** Projects can do team calls ... can help projects set up their own team bridge | ||
+ | ** If projects are interested participating, just send an E-Mail to Wayne - every project can have an individual line | ||
+ | ** Igor's Sound Quality was very bad ... Wayne says that this is the first negative feedback | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Google '''Summer of Code''' was announced | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Dave Williams: '''Encourage People to open Bugs when they see problems''' rather than posting to cross-project | ||
+ | ** Martin: Encourage AC members to move bugs from mailing lists to bugzilla | ||
+ | ** Dave: Don't discourage using the mailing list ... but encourage to | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''Register for EclipseCon''' | ||
+ | ** Committers / Alumni need to use Coupon Code from the Econ website (FAQ, or right-hand border) | ||
+ | |||
* AC Backlog | * AC Backlog | ||
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=== Old Topics === | === Old Topics === |
Revision as of 12:56, 9 February 2012
Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
Date & Time: | Thursday February 9, 2012 at 1600 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin attention DST change HTML | iCal |
Dial-in: | NEW Canada 1-877-727-8553 toll free / 1-416-840-9801 caller paid NEW U.S. 1-866-394-4146 toll free / 1-480-629-1624 caller paid NEW passcode 428029063 |
Contents
Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: | Wenfeng Li | Wenbin He |
DTP: | Brian Payton | Linda Chan |
Eclipse: | Mike Wilson | John Arthorne Boris Bokowski |
Modeling: | Ed Merks | Cédric Brun Sven Efftinge |
Mylyn: | Steffen Pingel | Mik Kersten |
RT: | Jeff McAffer | Tom Watson |
SOA: | Adrian Mos | Sebastien Gandon |
Technology: | Gunnar Wagenknecht | Wayne Beaton |
Tools: | Doug Schaefer | |
TPTP: | (TBA) | |
WTP: | Chuck Bridgham | Dave Carver Neil Hauge |
- Regrets: Oliver Cole (standing conflict), Wenfeng Li (standing conflict), Andrew Overholt (after 45 minutes of the call)
- David Williams, Doug Schaefer, Neil Hauge, Chuck Bridgham, Kim Moir, Markus Knauer, Tom Watson, Achim Loerke, Brian Payton, Igor Fedorenko, Steffen Pingel, Ed Merks, Mary Ruddy, Wayne Beaton
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Meetings/January 12 2012
- Still open items moved to #Action_Items
New Topics
- Tom Watson: Clarification on PMC Rep for RT - New: Christian Campo
- Kim: AOSA Book
- Not relevant any more, looks like
- Last year the Architecture of Open Source Applications book was released. This year the editors are working on volume II with a new set of authors and open source projects. They are looking for technical reviewers for these chapters, if you're interested let me know and I can put you in touch with the editors.
- Andrew O.: brief FOSDEM trip report (this weekend in Brussles)
- Volunteer conference on Open Source in Europe, thousands of developers
- Mike Milinkovich, Gunnar Wagenknecht and Andrew put up an Eclipse stand
- Mike demoed Orion; Gunnar mostly RT and other things; Andrew C/C++ and Linuxtools
- Most people came by just saying "thanks"
- Overview talk by Mike, 15 min lightning talks by Gunnar and Andrew
General Topics
- Updates from the Board
- Markus K: Nothing new
- git @ Eclipse progress
- Denis put the DenyNonFastForward flag in place ... going pretty well by now
- Tom W: Website is still in CVS, migration path ?
- Wayne: Foundation to put EMO's pages into git first (until Juno), then recommend to / migrate other projects
- Maven @ Eclipse progress
- Tycho Working well for Linuxtools, CDT, ...
- Tycho 0.14 to support generation of source features (was hard to do since PDE was lacking docs on source feature generation)
- Tycho 0.14 docs: New&Noteworthy notes, or tycho-dev mailing list if there are questions
- PDE Build features like .api_description files: planned to add at some point but no cycles at the moment
- There won't be a promise to support everything from PDE Build ... not even those being used by the Platform build (eg .net files)
- Request for contributions .. trying to engage with every developer who's willing to contribute
- Wayne: thinks there's going to be a natural process of projects requesting features (and/or contributing patches)
- Parent POM Effort
- Not much updates / activity recently ... but would be important !
- EMO going to bring a new releng engineer on staff with the Foundation, hopes work to be picked up by that person
- maven.eclipse.org activity seems to have died ... but that's a very important resource!
- Igor: Mission Statement for maven.eclipse.org ? - Wayne: Currently lacking, this is a main problem ! Community started it, but now..?
- Original goal was to provide content of Eclipse Release Repos to Maven users ?
- Looking at AC for guidance what's needed ! Who's the consumers and what are their needs ?
- Nobody on AC today has a vested interest in maven.eclipse.org ... who outside the AC might have a vested interest in maven.eclipse.org
- AI Martin ask for people with requirements / vested interest in maven.eclipse.org on mailing list
- AI Martin contact / propose potential new AC members
- LTS
- Current state is Andrew Ross will let us know when there
- Hudson @ Eclipse
- Andrew: Lots of issues were fixed by Denis and team
- JBoss Jenkins instance is pretty stable
- Sonatype successfully used a really big instance of Hudson
- What's making instabilities reappear again and again ? What about advance notice of any change to the infrastructure (like adding slaves, ...)
- A single misbehaving job can bring down the entire system ?
- Kim: Wondering if we need more slaves ... there's always a backlog of jobs ready to run (20 at the moment) although some slaves are idle
- Most seem to be waiting on Slave 1 ?!? Should encourage others to no longer pin on Slave 1
- AI Kim to open a bug with Denis
- AI Doug S to unpin the CDT Job
- Christian Campo: Riena not on the Release Train
- Still on the Release Train but not on the Composite Repo .. situation is OK for Christian
- Working with Eclipse Platform
- Wayne: Universities want to do Studies
- Anybody want to help setting up a survey regarding use of Eclipse API's in commercial products ?
- New SIP Conf provider would save the Foundation a lot of money
- Projects can do team calls ... can help projects set up their own team bridge
- If projects are interested participating, just send an E-Mail to Wayne - every project can have an individual line
- Igor's Sound Quality was very bad ... Wayne says that this is the first negative feedback
- Google Summer of Code was announced
- Dave Williams: Encourage People to open Bugs when they see problems rather than posting to cross-project
- Martin: Encourage AC members to move bugs from mailing lists to bugzilla
- Dave: Don't discourage using the mailing list ... but encourage to
- Register for EclipseCon
- Committers / Alumni need to use Coupon Code from the Econ website (FAQ, or right-hand border)
- AC Backlog
Old Topics
- Henrik Lindberg ESE proceedings are now online WhatIsInABuildESE2010
- AI zx Create Indigo report
- bug 324125 architecture diagrams - 2006 version - relationship to e4 ?
- IP Logs - Martin and Wayne - project woolsey exists and open for community, Wayne hopes get soemthing downloadable by Christmas
- Allow projects to file bugs which list collections of libraries that are used for testing (and mark these collectively as exemt prereqs)
- Couldn't distribute those libs or put them in scm, but could have them on the build server
- Allow projects to file bugs which list collections of libraries that are used for testing (and mark these collectively as exemt prereqs)
We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:
- DaveC would like to discuss New Committer Guidelines; Scrum / Agile techniques
- bug 288393 - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices
- AC Bugzilla backlog
- See also Architecture Council/Open Issues for overflow items that were not discussed
- News from the EMO and Councils ?
Action Items
- Cleaned up old action items, see Architecture Council/Meetings/February 10 2011 for old stuff
- (old) Martin to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
- (old) Tim write up an initial wiki page with information for people to standardize on the tracing API
- Martin revise the AC Wiki to make it easier to find the New Member Process. More links on homepage. More usage of categories.
- Martin bug 315210 Make the AC mailing list open / moderated