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| Christian Campo | | Christian Campo | ||
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===All Attendees=== | ===All Attendees=== | ||
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| + | * '''Signed-Up:''' Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Christian Campo, Linda Chan, Martin O, Denis Roy, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, | ||
| + | * '''Special Guest:''' Ian Skerret | ||
| + | * '''Regrets:''' Chuck Bridgham, Benjamin Cabé, Neil Hauge, Jonas Helming, Achim Lörke, Markus Knauer, Maximilian Kögel, Ed Merks, Andrew Overholt, Steffen Pingel, Doug Schaefer, Krum Tsvetkov, Gunnar Wagenknecht | ||
| + | * '''No-Show:''' Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Nick Boldt, Cédric Brun, Doug Clarke, Kenn Hussey, Mik Kersten, Mike Milinkovich, Kim Moir, Adrian Mos, Brian Payton, Tom Watson, David Williams | ||
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== Agenda / Notes == | == Agenda / Notes == | ||
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=== New Topics === | === New Topics === | ||
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| + | * Welcome Marcel Bruch | ||
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| + | === Ian: New Logo === | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Review design concepts of a new Eclipse logo [Ian Skerrett will participate] | ||
| + | ** Technical Feedback - Example: Platform team said "We also need it monochrome" | ||
| + | *** Martin, Ian B: Color in Designs C and D looks so different than current logo - might cause issues with "derived" logos eg Modeling, Tools: {{bug|370021}}, [http://git.eclipse.org/c/www.eclipse.org/tools.git/tree/EclipseToolsLogos EclipseToolsLogos] | ||
| + | *** Platform and EPP logos need to be in line; also RT, ... | ||
| + | ** Design A | ||
| + | *** Marcel: Favorite most - easy to print etc | ||
| + | *** Appreciate the new color, new font - looks very clean | ||
| + | ** Design B | ||
| + | *** Not sure how it addresses original goals - lot going on (radiance, ...) | ||
| + | ** Design C | ||
| + | *** Reminds of a logo expected when typing Eclipse.org wrong and hitting a "foreign" site ... too different than what we have today | ||
| + | *** Maybe try again the idea, but with different colors eg orange and purple | ||
| + | ** Design D | ||
| + | *** Font OK, but the Logo doesn't appeal .. too much going on, too busy | ||
| + | ** "If you had to Pick One?" | ||
| + | *** Responses: A,A,A (maybe slight variation in color eg colors from C) though B is almost as good | ||
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| + | * Will there be a Web Redesign as part of the Logo Redesign ? | ||
| + | ** Yes, want to be done in time for Luna | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Marcel: Logging at Eclipse === | ||
| + | |||
| + | * See {{bug|358968}}: Different log providers in use at various projects ... commons.logging, log4j, slf4j, ... | ||
| + | ** Makes it hard for product builders to configure global logging | ||
| + | ** Makes it hard to properly wire up components | ||
| + | ** Looking for advice for new projects | ||
| + | ** See also [[Architecture_Council/Meetings/June_14_2012]], [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg01864.html AC ML Archive] | ||
| + | ** '''NEXT STEPS:''' Marcel agrees to drive this, preparing material for a discussion in Jan or Feb | ||
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| + | === Denis: Code Signing === | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Simrel participation requires code signing - request all Eclipse.org projects to sign their release builds ? | ||
| + | ** Would need to have operation super easy ... description, | ||
| + | ** Would need to have VALUE to projects / community very clear. Usually, we make projects responsible for their own communities... what is the | ||
| + | |||
| + | * The less clear the value, the more easy must be the operation | ||
| + | ** Suggestion by Marcel : Will ask releng, could be super easy for Maven | ||
| + | ** '''NEXT STEPS:''' Marcel reach out to Releng, "how to sign in Maven" Blog Post | ||
=== General Topics === | === General Topics === | ||
Latest revision as of 13:09, 12 December 2013
| Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Thursday December 12, 2013 at 1600 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin attention DST change HTML |  iCal
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| Dial-in: | Let's use the Foundation's Asterisk setup for this call:
Participant conference extension: 701 then enter pin: 51968
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Contents
Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
| BIRT: | |
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| DTP: | |
Linda Chan |
| Eclipse: | |
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| Modeling: | |
Eike Stepper |
| Mylyn: | |
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| RT: | Christian Campo | Ian Bull |
| SOA: | |
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| Technology: | |
Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | |
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| WTP: | |
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All Attendees
- Signed-Up: Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Christian Campo, Linda Chan, Martin O, Denis Roy, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper,
- Special Guest: Ian Skerret
- Regrets: Chuck Bridgham, Benjamin Cabé, Neil Hauge, Jonas Helming, Achim Lörke, Markus Knauer, Maximilian Kögel, Ed Merks, Andrew Overholt, Steffen Pingel, Doug Schaefer, Krum Tsvetkov, Gunnar Wagenknecht
- No-Show: Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Nick Boldt, Cédric Brun, Doug Clarke, Kenn Hussey, Mik Kersten, Mike Milinkovich, Kim Moir, Adrian Mos, Brian Payton, Tom Watson, David Williams
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
Review of Last Meeting
- Architecture Council/Meetings/November 14 2013
- Still open items moved to #Action_Items
New Topics
- Welcome Marcel Bruch
Ian: New Logo
- Review design concepts of a new Eclipse logo [Ian Skerrett will participate]
- Technical Feedback - Example: Platform team said "We also need it monochrome"
- Martin, Ian B: Color in Designs C and D looks so different than current logo - might cause issues with "derived" logos eg Modeling, Tools: bug 370021, EclipseToolsLogos
- Platform and EPP logos need to be in line; also RT, ...
- Design A
- Marcel: Favorite most - easy to print etc
- Appreciate the new color, new font - looks very clean
- Design B
- Not sure how it addresses original goals - lot going on (radiance, ...)
- Design C
- Reminds of a logo expected when typing Eclipse.org wrong and hitting a "foreign" site ... too different than what we have today
- Maybe try again the idea, but with different colors eg orange and purple
- Design D
- Font OK, but the Logo doesn't appeal .. too much going on, too busy
- "If you had to Pick One?"
- Responses: A,A,A (maybe slight variation in color eg colors from C) though B is almost as good
- Technical Feedback - Example: Platform team said "We also need it monochrome"
- Will there be a Web Redesign as part of the Logo Redesign ?
- Yes, want to be done in time for Luna
Marcel: Logging at Eclipse
- See bug 358968: Different log providers in use at various projects ... commons.logging, log4j, slf4j, ...
- Makes it hard for product builders to configure global logging
- Makes it hard to properly wire up components
- Looking for advice for new projects
- See also Architecture_Council/Meetings/June_14_2012, AC ML Archive
- NEXT STEPS: Marcel agrees to drive this, preparing material for a discussion in Jan or Feb
Denis: Code Signing
- Simrel participation requires code signing - request all Eclipse.org projects to sign their release builds ?
- Would need to have operation super easy ... description,
- Would need to have VALUE to projects / community very clear. Usually, we make projects responsible for their own communities... what is the
- The less clear the value, the more easy must be the operation
- Suggestion by Marcel : Will ask releng, could be super easy for Maven
- NEXT STEPS: Marcel reach out to Releng, "how to sign in Maven" Blog Post
General Topics
- Eclipse Infrastructure - git, Gerrit, Maven, Hudson, Bugzilla, ...
- Updates from the Board or the EMO
Action Items
- Cleaned up old action items, see Architecture Council/Meetings/February 10 2011 for old stuff
- (old) Tim write up an initial wiki page with information for people to standardize on the tracing API
- (old) Martin revise the AC Wiki to make it easier to find the New Member Process. More links on homepage. More usage of categories.
- (old) Martin bug 315210 Make the AC mailing list open / moderated