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| Wenfeng Li
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| Wenbin He
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| '''DTP:'''  
 
| '''DTP:'''  
| Brian Payton
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| Linda Chan
 
| Linda Chan
 
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| '''Eclipse:'''  
 
| '''Eclipse:'''  
| Mike Wilson
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| John Arthorne<br>Boris Bokowski
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| '''Modeling:'''  
 
| '''Modeling:'''  
| Ed Merks
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| Cédric Brun<br>Sven Efftinge<br>Eike Stepper
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| '''Mylyn:'''  
 
| '''Mylyn:'''  
| Steffen Pingel
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| Mik Kersten
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| '''RT:'''  
 
| '''RT:'''  
 
| Christian Campo
 
| Christian Campo
| Tom Watson<br>Doug Clarke<br>Ian Bull
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| '''SOA:'''  
 
| '''SOA:'''  
| Adrian Mos
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| Marc Dutoo
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| '''Technology:'''  
 
| '''Technology:'''  
| Gunnar Wagenknecht
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| Wayne Beaton
 
| Wayne Beaton
 
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| '''Tools:'''  
 
| '''Tools:'''  
| Doug Schaefer  
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| '''WTP:'''  
 
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| Chuck Bridgham
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| Dave Carver<br>Neil Hauge
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===All Attendees===
 
===All Attendees===
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* '''Signed-Up:''' Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Christian Campo, Linda Chan, Martin O, Denis Roy, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper,
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* '''Special Guest:''' Ian Skerret
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* '''Regrets:''' Chuck Bridgham, Benjamin Cabé, Neil Hauge, Jonas Helming, Achim Lörke, Markus Knauer, Maximilian Kögel, Ed Merks, Andrew Overholt, Steffen Pingel, Doug Schaefer, Krum Tsvetkov, Gunnar Wagenknecht
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* '''No-Show:''' Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Nick Boldt, Cédric Brun, Doug Clarke, Kenn Hussey, Mik Kersten, Mike Milinkovich, Kim Moir, Adrian Mos, Brian Payton, Tom Watson, David Williams
  
 
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* '''Dormant?''' Dave Carver, Mike Wilson
* '''Regrets:''' Chuck Bridgham, Markus Knauer, Andrew Overholt
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* '''No-Show:''' Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Boris Bokowski, Nick Boldt, Cédric Brun, Benjamin Cabé, Christian Campo, Dave Carver, Linda Chan, Doug Clarke, Kenn Hussey, Mik Kersten, Maximilian Kögel, Ed Merks, Mike Milinkovich, Kim Moir, Mary Ruddy, Tom Schindl, Gunnar Wagenknecht, Tom Watson, Mike Wilson
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== Agenda / Notes  ==
 
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=== New Topics ===
 
=== New Topics ===
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* Welcome Marcel Bruch
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=== Ian: New Logo ===
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* Review design concepts of a new Eclipse logo  [Ian Skerrett will participate]
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** Technical Feedback - Example: Platform team said "We also need it monochrome"
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*** Martin, Ian B: Color in Designs C and D looks so different than current logo - might cause issues with "derived" logos eg Modeling, Tools: {{bug|370021}}, [http://git.eclipse.org/c/www.eclipse.org/tools.git/tree/EclipseToolsLogos EclipseToolsLogos]
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*** Platform and EPP logos need to be in line; also RT, ...
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** Design A
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*** Marcel: Favorite most - easy to print etc
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*** Appreciate the new color, new font - looks very clean
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** Design B
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*** Not sure how it addresses original goals - lot going on (radiance, ...)
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** Design C
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*** Reminds of a logo expected when typing Eclipse.org wrong and hitting a "foreign" site ... too different than what we have today
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*** Maybe try again the idea, but with different colors eg orange and purple
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** Design D
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*** Font OK, but the Logo doesn't appeal .. too much going on, too busy
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** "If you had to Pick One?"
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*** Responses: A,A,A (maybe slight variation in color eg colors from C) though B is almost as good
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* Will there be a Web Redesign as part of the Logo Redesign ?
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** Yes, want to be done in time for Luna
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=== Marcel: Logging at Eclipse ===
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* See {{bug|358968}}: Different log providers in use at various projects ... commons.logging, log4j, slf4j, ...
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** Makes it hard for product builders to configure global logging
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** Makes it hard to properly wire up components
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** Looking for advice for new projects
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** See also [[Architecture_Council/Meetings/June_14_2012]], [http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg01864.html AC ML Archive]
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** '''NEXT STEPS:''' Marcel agrees to drive this, preparing material for a discussion in Jan or Feb
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=== Denis: Code Signing ===
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* Simrel participation requires code signing - request all Eclipse.org projects to sign their release builds ?
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** Would need to have operation super easy ... description,
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** Would need to have VALUE to projects / community very clear. Usually, we make projects responsible for their own communities... what is the
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* The less clear the value, the more easy must be the operation
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** Suggestion by Marcel : Will ask releng, could be super easy for Maven
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** '''NEXT STEPS:''' Marcel reach out to Releng, "how to sign in Maven" Blog Post
  
 
=== General Topics ===
 
=== General Topics ===

Latest revision as of 13:09, 12 December 2013

Meeting Title: Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time: Thursday December 12, 2013 at 1600 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin attention DST change
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Attendees

All AC Members are invited.

  • PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: Wenfeng Li Wenbin He
DTP: Brian Payton Linda Chan
Eclipse: Mike Wilson John Arthorne
Modeling: Ed Merks Cédric Brun
Eike Stepper
Mylyn: Steffen Pingel Mik Kersten
RT: Christian Campo Tom Watson
Doug Clarke
Ian Bull
SOA: Adrian Mos Marc Dutoo
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: Doug Schaefer
WTP: Chuck Bridgham Neil Hauge

All Attendees

  • Signed-Up: Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Ian Bull, Christian Campo, Linda Chan, Martin O, Denis Roy, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper,
  • Special Guest: Ian Skerret
  • Regrets: Chuck Bridgham, Benjamin Cabé, Neil Hauge, Jonas Helming, Achim Lörke, Markus Knauer, Maximilian Kögel, Ed Merks, Andrew Overholt, Steffen Pingel, Doug Schaefer, Krum Tsvetkov, Gunnar Wagenknecht
  • No-Show: Chris Aniszczyk, John Arthorne, Nick Boldt, Cédric Brun, Doug Clarke, Kenn Hussey, Mik Kersten, Mike Milinkovich, Kim Moir, Adrian Mos, Brian Payton, Tom Watson, David Williams


Agenda / Notes

  • Feel free to edit, but not during the call!

Review of Last Meeting

New Topics

  • Welcome Marcel Bruch

  • Review design concepts of a new Eclipse logo [Ian Skerrett will participate]
    • Technical Feedback - Example: Platform team said "We also need it monochrome"
      • Martin, Ian B: Color in Designs C and D looks so different than current logo - might cause issues with "derived" logos eg Modeling, Tools: bug 370021, EclipseToolsLogos
      • Platform and EPP logos need to be in line; also RT, ...
    • Design A
      • Marcel: Favorite most - easy to print etc
      • Appreciate the new color, new font - looks very clean
    • Design B
      • Not sure how it addresses original goals - lot going on (radiance, ...)
    • Design C
      • Reminds of a logo expected when typing Eclipse.org wrong and hitting a "foreign" site ... too different than what we have today
      • Maybe try again the idea, but with different colors eg orange and purple
    • Design D
      • Font OK, but the Logo doesn't appeal .. too much going on, too busy
    • "If you had to Pick One?"
      • Responses: A,A,A (maybe slight variation in color eg colors from C) though B is almost as good
  • Will there be a Web Redesign as part of the Logo Redesign ?
    • Yes, want to be done in time for Luna

Marcel: Logging at Eclipse

  • See bug 358968: Different log providers in use at various projects ... commons.logging, log4j, slf4j, ...
    • Makes it hard for product builders to configure global logging
    • Makes it hard to properly wire up components
    • Looking for advice for new projects
    • See also Architecture_Council/Meetings/June_14_2012, AC ML Archive
    • NEXT STEPS: Marcel agrees to drive this, preparing material for a discussion in Jan or Feb

Denis: Code Signing

  • Simrel participation requires code signing - request all Eclipse.org projects to sign their release builds ?
    • Would need to have operation super easy ... description,
    • Would need to have VALUE to projects / community very clear. Usually, we make projects responsible for their own communities... what is the
  • The less clear the value, the more easy must be the operation
    • Suggestion by Marcel : Will ask releng, could be super easy for Maven
    • NEXT STEPS: Marcel reach out to Releng, "how to sign in Maven" Blog Post

General Topics

  • Eclipse Infrastructure - git, Gerrit, Maven, Hudson, Bugzilla, ...
  • Updates from the Board or the EMO

Action Items

  • Cleaned up old action items, see Architecture Council/Meetings/February 10 2011 for old stuff
  • (old) Tim write up an initial wiki page with information for people to standardize on the tracing API
  • (old) Martin revise the AC Wiki to make it easier to find the New Member Process. More links on homepage. More usage of categories.
  • (old) Martin bug 315210 Make the AC mailing list open / moderated

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