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| '''Technology:'''
 
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| Joanna Kubasta (unofficial)
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| '''WTP:'''
 
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* (''old'') '''Wayne''' to discuss "e4 ready" marketing campaign with Ian.
 
* (''old'') '''Wayne''' to discuss "e4 ready" marketing campaign with Ian.
* (''old'') '''Ed''' to tell Cloudsmith about {{bug|283745}} Maven
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* [[Image:Ok_green.gif]] '''Ed''' to tell Cloudsmith about {{bug|283745}} Maven -> Idea is an aggregator to republish p2 as Maven
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** Dave W does not see this happening for Helios .. work in progress, people know what needs to be done
 
* (''old'') '''Martin''' to file bug for asking Mik hyperlink Wikitext / crowdsourcing Docs handbook on the [[Architecture Council/Top Ten Project Development Practices]] page
 
* (''old'') '''Martin''' to file bug for asking Mik hyperlink Wikitext / crowdsourcing Docs handbook on the [[Architecture Council/Top Ten Project Development Practices]] page
 
* '''Tim''' write up an initial wiki page with information for people to standardize on the tracing API
 
* '''Tim''' write up an initial wiki page with information for people to standardize on the tracing API
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* Tom S '''Common Builder Cookbook?'''
 
* Tom S '''Common Builder Cookbook?'''
* Chris A: Shortening the new committer process? Eg Orbit requires 7 days... '''AI Martin/Wayne''' schedule for next call
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** been on vacation, still on the list
* John A: New Eclipse logo. What is the impact for the various projects on their code? For example many projects have feature logos based on the Eclipse logo. What is a reasonable timeframe for adopting the logo in our software? ''Jeff-we are not changing the logo so not sure this is a topic any more''
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* Jeff: Structuring of SDK, runtime and tooling features: meeting your consumer's needs.
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* Chris A: {{bug|305544}} '''Shortening the new committer process'''? Eg Orbit requires 7 days
* Antoine T.: discuss new TLP for languages http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg01272.html
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** Wayne: Essence of the bug is allowing PMC's to shorten the new committer process
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** Martin: Do some "parallel IP" like thing eg allow repository access immediately but have the full
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** Tom: More in favor of reducing time rather than adding more complexity
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** Dave C: Provisioning / Paperwork is often more time than getting the voting done
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** Jeff: Wants to keep 1 week voting, but still make it faster allow people to commit code
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** Wayne: Start paperwork process at the time of nomination in parallel to voting
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** '''Resolution:''' continue discussion on the bug, Wayne to talk to IP team / Webmaster
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* Jeff: '''Structuring of SDK, runtime and tooling''' features: '''meeting your consumer's needs.'''
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** In RT, a number of projects ship runtimes + sources + tooling, these are often lumped together e.g. target platform as part of the tooling.
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** Proposal: EclipseRT projects (including EMF, GEF, ...) to contribute features to show up in the Helios category for "Target Platforms"
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** Introducing some guidelines for doing this ... talked about this on RT PMC
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** Antoine: Going to create an RT download?
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*** Jeff: yes, but challenge is what is it and how is it positioned? Stack or Demo App? - Similar problem like RCP download, which doesn't run by itself.
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*** There's tons of possibilities, what to pick? More than 3 packages is probably too much
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*** Jeff invites interested parties to participate on the '''RT PMC Mailinglist Discussion''' join conversation about guidelines, packages etc
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*** Discussion focused "what are the boxes"
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* Martin: '''New AC Members Process'''
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** (a) the process: published Wiki criteria for ac members, phonecall nomination, then mailinglist discussion
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** (b) nominating people into the AC vs creating workgroups for jobs to be done - people agree that AC membership is more than just "work to be done"
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** (c) Kim and Kenn are approved -> '''AI Martin''' follow up with Mike to check paperwork
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** (d) How the process is documented on the Wiki -- John: Main landing page should link to documents like that; Categories are useful, add AC Category to Process -- '''AI Martin''' revise the Wiki
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* Antoine T.: discuss '''new TLP for languages''' http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg01272.html
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** Dave C agrees; Jeff: Board needs to approve TLP's - Board will want a very clear scope; '''AI Antoine''' file a bug for asking Community input
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** Jeff, Wayne - people interested in languages should perhaps just take over the Tools PMC.
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** Perhaps there isn't much coherence and discussion required in Tools? - In RT there is much more common goals
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** Wayne: Why is it hard to get any response about tools related questions? - Doug S: There is nobody with a vetted interest
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** Wayne: A new TLP doesn't make a Community magically appear... Community must be developed; Jeff: Structure is not going to fix the Problem.
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** Dave C: Concept of Tools needs a review - it's just a dumping ground now
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** Merge into '''Tools and Technology''' to have ONE dumping ground?
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** Dave C: "Eclipse Labs Project" .. Wayne: Eclipse Labs is a different way of getting into the Eclipse Community
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** Jeff: Historically, Tools and Tech were separate in order to clearly indicate to consumers the state of a project
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*** Doug S: Consumers don't go to the TLP pages, they go right to the area they are interested in
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*** '''AI Wayne''' file a bug for further discussion
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'''Overflow items not yet discussed'''
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* Antoine T.: discuss Technology project lifecycle http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg01272.html
 
* Antoine T.: discuss Technology project lifecycle http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg01272.html
 
* Antoine T.: discuss PMC organization and approval lags http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg01272.html
 
* Antoine T.: discuss PMC organization and approval lags http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg01272.html
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* Martin: AC Calendar / Scheduling
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* Martin: Follow-up action items from Eclipsecon Breakfast
  
 
==== e4 - current state of affairs ====
 
==== e4 - current state of affairs ====

Latest revision as of 12:04, 8 April 2010

Meeting Title: Architecture Council Monthly Meeting
Date & Time: Thursday April 8, 2010 at 1500 UTC / 0800 SFO / 1100 Ottawa / 1600 London / 1700 Berlin attention DST change
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Attendees

All AC Members are invited.

  • PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
BIRT: Wenfeng Li Gary Xue
DTP: Brian Payton Linda Chan
DSDP: Martin Oberhuber TBD (DSDP-PMC)
Eclipse: Mike Wilson John Arthorne
Boris Bokowski
Modeling: Ed Merks Cédric Brun
Sven Efftinge
RT: Jeff McAffer Tom Watson
STP: Antoine Toulme Oisin Hurley
Technology: Gunnar Wagenknecht Wayne Beaton
Tools: Doug Schaefer
TPTP: Eugene Chan Joanna Kubasta (unofficial)
WTP: Tim deBoer Dave Carver
Neil Hauge
  • Regrets: Oliver Cole (standing conflict), Wenfeng Li (standing conflict), Mik Kersten (travelling), Markus Knauer (travelling)


Agenda / Notes

  • Feel free to edit, but not during the call!

Review of Last Meeting

New Topics

  • Tom S Common Builder Cookbook?
    • been on vacation, still on the list
  • Chris A: bug 305544 Shortening the new committer process? Eg Orbit requires 7 days
    • Wayne: Essence of the bug is allowing PMC's to shorten the new committer process
    • Martin: Do some "parallel IP" like thing eg allow repository access immediately but have the full
    • Tom: More in favor of reducing time rather than adding more complexity
    • Dave C: Provisioning / Paperwork is often more time than getting the voting done
    • Jeff: Wants to keep 1 week voting, but still make it faster allow people to commit code
    • Wayne: Start paperwork process at the time of nomination in parallel to voting
    • Resolution: continue discussion on the bug, Wayne to talk to IP team / Webmaster
  • Jeff: Structuring of SDK, runtime and tooling features: meeting your consumer's needs.
    • In RT, a number of projects ship runtimes + sources + tooling, these are often lumped together e.g. target platform as part of the tooling.
    • Proposal: EclipseRT projects (including EMF, GEF, ...) to contribute features to show up in the Helios category for "Target Platforms"
    • Introducing some guidelines for doing this ... talked about this on RT PMC
    • Antoine: Going to create an RT download?
      • Jeff: yes, but challenge is what is it and how is it positioned? Stack or Demo App? - Similar problem like RCP download, which doesn't run by itself.
      • There's tons of possibilities, what to pick? More than 3 packages is probably too much
      • Jeff invites interested parties to participate on the RT PMC Mailinglist Discussion join conversation about guidelines, packages etc
      • Discussion focused "what are the boxes"
  • Martin: New AC Members Process
    • (a) the process: published Wiki criteria for ac members, phonecall nomination, then mailinglist discussion
    • (b) nominating people into the AC vs creating workgroups for jobs to be done - people agree that AC membership is more than just "work to be done"
    • (c) Kim and Kenn are approved -> AI Martin follow up with Mike to check paperwork
    • (d) How the process is documented on the Wiki -- John: Main landing page should link to documents like that; Categories are useful, add AC Category to Process -- AI Martin revise the Wiki
  • Antoine T.: discuss new TLP for languages http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-architecture-council/msg01272.html
    • Dave C agrees; Jeff: Board needs to approve TLP's - Board will want a very clear scope; AI Antoine file a bug for asking Community input
    • Jeff, Wayne - people interested in languages should perhaps just take over the Tools PMC.
    • Perhaps there isn't much coherence and discussion required in Tools? - In RT there is much more common goals
    • Wayne: Why is it hard to get any response about tools related questions? - Doug S: There is nobody with a vetted interest
    • Wayne: A new TLP doesn't make a Community magically appear... Community must be developed; Jeff: Structure is not going to fix the Problem.
    • Dave C: Concept of Tools needs a review - it's just a dumping ground now
    • Merge into Tools and Technology to have ONE dumping ground?
    • Dave C: "Eclipse Labs Project" .. Wayne: Eclipse Labs is a different way of getting into the Eclipse Community
    • Jeff: Historically, Tools and Tech were separate in order to clearly indicate to consumers the state of a project
      • Doug S: Consumers don't go to the TLP pages, they go right to the area they are interested in
      • AI Wayne file a bug for further discussion

Overflow items not yet discussed

e4 - current state of affairs

Items for next meeting

Regular briefing on the status of e4.

Old Topics

We need to reduce our bug backlog, by actually coming to a common resolution on some. Here are the most recent ones:

  • DaveC would like to discuss New Committer Guidelines; Scrum / Agile techniques
  • bug 285074 - Dave Carver - Hudsonbuilder and write access to the cvs / svn repo
  • bug 283745 - Maven Repository at Eclipse
  • bug 288393 - Denis - Bugzilla Best Practices
  • The art of project release naming - no bug yet ?!?

Action Items

  • (old) Martin to follow up on Architecture Diagrams idea
  • (old) Michael to flesh out the Patterns idea and remind the EAC -- started Architecture Council/Top Ten Recommendations#Design Patterns, backed by EclipseCon tutorial proposals
    • While these show how well-known GoF patterns are applied in Eclipse, Michael's idea was more to find and describe new patterns which are specific to Eclipse
  • (old) Michael to draft an E-Mail about the "plugin granularity" idea, searching for people to lead the effort
  • (old) Tools and Tech PMC's to encourage incubating grandfathered projects find a mentor; mentorless projects due to AC members quitting or falling dormant
  • (old) Martin to add Eclipsecon meeting notes onto the wiki
  • (old) Mik to create initial "architectural walkthrough" material for Mylyn -- 1 wiki page not too large, send link to the mailing list
  • (old) Dave C work with Wayne on a "handbook" for project criteria for becoming a committer (referencing committer guidelines)
  • (old) Dave C come up with a document how to save build resources
  • (old) Dave C to try bugzilla UNCONFIRMED state
  • (old) Wayne to ask Sonatype about Nexus test installation
  • (old) Wayne to try doing a 3.6m2 API Report on Helios m2

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