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| + | * '''In attendance:''' Marcel Bruch, Gunnar Wagenknecht, Michael Scharf, Torkild Resheim, Martin O, Alex Kurtakov, Dani Megert, Denis Roy, Mickael Istria, Doug Schaefer, | ||
* '''Regrets:''' | * '''Regrets:''' | ||
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* Feel free to edit, but '''<font color="red">not during the call!</font>''' | * Feel free to edit, but '''<font color="red">not during the call!</font>''' | ||
* Last meeting: [[Architecture Council/Meetings/April 20 2017]] -- open actions see [[#Action_Items]] | * Last meeting: [[Architecture Council/Meetings/April 20 2017]] -- open actions see [[#Action_Items]] | ||
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| + | === Welcome Torkild Resheim === | ||
| + | * 20 years SW Dev, 10 years at Eclipse | ||
| + | * Created his own IDE for an obscure language, later joined Atmel | ||
| + | * Since 6 years, contractor/consultant mostly for offshore marine in Trondheim, Norway | ||
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| + | === Marcel: Neon.3a respin === | ||
| + | * Status? When will it go live? | ||
| + | ** Denis: Built on Monday, planned to go live today | ||
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| + | === Marcel: Guava 21 === | ||
| + | * Why do we want to force all Release Train projects update to Guava 21? | ||
| + | ** Will we have the same situation the next time? | ||
| + | ** There seem no technical reasons; core problem is, that people don't use "uses" constraints properly | ||
| + | ** Why should "my project" change just because the others can't deal with "uses" constraints? | ||
| + | * Martin: Has no technical details, but observed issues with Guava over multiple years, so there is an indication we have complexity that is hard to handle | ||
| + | * Gunnar: In favor of consistency; a single version is good | ||
| + | * Alex: Planning Council deliberately "recommended" single Guava to minimize the chances of breaking; it was never intended as a strong requirement. Projects may use something newer if they need. | ||
| + | * Marcel wanted to stick to something older, because Guava types were used in the public API | ||
| + | ** For XText and projects dependent on XText, there is risk | ||
| + | * Martin: Consistency / Simplification would be the better solution; but, if a stakeholder has good reason for not sticking to the recommendation, and that stakeholder offers investing time and resources to solve problems downstream, that should be supported. | ||
| + | ** Marcel could improve Error Reporting to better find / triage uses constraints | ||
| + | ** Could also go back to Ed to find and nail down issues - triage once we have reproducible scenarios | ||
| + | ** Proposing a FEEP project to improve the situation | ||
| + | ** Marcel would be fine announcing some time frame, until projects have to upgrade to a consistent version (eg 6 months) but M7 is too late. For example, decide now that Oxygen.1 will use Guava 23 only. | ||
| + | *** Alex: How could library versions be decided by M4 already, is that even executable ??? | ||
| + | *** Denis: Engaging on cbi-dev would be a good first step. | ||
| + | * '''ACTION:''' Marcel to draft statement for cross-project, others to review | ||
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| + | === Infrastructure === | ||
| + | * Denis: Tackling 3 issues right now | ||
| + | ** '''Asterisk''': Runs on one of the legacy virtualization servers, network card is dying, moving to new hardware | ||
| + | ** '''Timeouts for download.eclipse.org''' sporadic, but if it happens then on a large scale - looking at load balancer | ||
| + | ** Gerrit just upgraded; start work upgrading bugzilla; will also upgrade mediawiki | ||
| + | *** In this context, will remove the custom authentication plugin and replace by OpenID connect | ||
Revision as of 11:42, 11 May 2017
| Meeting Title: | Architecture Council Monthly Meeting |
| Date & Time: | Thursday May 11, 2017 at 1100 Ottawa  HTML |  iCal
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| Dial-in: | See Eclipse Asterisk :
Participant conference extension: 701 then enter pin: 51968
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Contents
Attendees
- In attendance: Marcel Bruch, Gunnar Wagenknecht, Michael Scharf, Torkild Resheim, Martin O, Alex Kurtakov, Dani Megert, Denis Roy, Mickael Istria, Doug Schaefer,
- Regrets:
#PMC_Rep_Attendees see also below.
Agenda / Notes
- Feel free to edit, but not during the call!
- Last meeting: Architecture Council/Meetings/April 20 2017 -- open actions see #Action_Items
Welcome Torkild Resheim
- 20 years SW Dev, 10 years at Eclipse
- Created his own IDE for an obscure language, later joined Atmel
- Since 6 years, contractor/consultant mostly for offshore marine in Trondheim, Norway
Marcel: Neon.3a respin
- Status? When will it go live?
- Denis: Built on Monday, planned to go live today
Marcel: Guava 21
- Why do we want to force all Release Train projects update to Guava 21?
- Will we have the same situation the next time?
- There seem no technical reasons; core problem is, that people don't use "uses" constraints properly
- Why should "my project" change just because the others can't deal with "uses" constraints?
- Martin: Has no technical details, but observed issues with Guava over multiple years, so there is an indication we have complexity that is hard to handle
- Gunnar: In favor of consistency; a single version is good
- Alex: Planning Council deliberately "recommended" single Guava to minimize the chances of breaking; it was never intended as a strong requirement. Projects may use something newer if they need.
- Marcel wanted to stick to something older, because Guava types were used in the public API
- For XText and projects dependent on XText, there is risk
- Martin: Consistency / Simplification would be the better solution; but, if a stakeholder has good reason for not sticking to the recommendation, and that stakeholder offers investing time and resources to solve problems downstream, that should be supported.
- Marcel could improve Error Reporting to better find / triage uses constraints
- Could also go back to Ed to find and nail down issues - triage once we have reproducible scenarios
- Proposing a FEEP project to improve the situation
- Marcel would be fine announcing some time frame, until projects have to upgrade to a consistent version (eg 6 months) but M7 is too late. For example, decide now that Oxygen.1 will use Guava 23 only.
- Alex: How could library versions be decided by M4 already, is that even executable ???
- Denis: Engaging on cbi-dev would be a good first step.
- ACTION: Marcel to draft statement for cross-project, others to review
Infrastructure
- Denis: Tackling 3 issues right now
- Asterisk: Runs on one of the legacy virtualization servers, network card is dying, moving to new hardware
- Timeouts for download.eclipse.org sporadic, but if it happens then on a large scale - looking at load balancer
- Gerrit just upgraded; start work upgrading bugzilla; will also upgrade mediawiki
- In this context, will remove the custom authentication plugin and replace by OpenID connect
PMC Rep Attendees
All AC Members are invited.
- PMC Reps please confirm attendance or list your delegate below. Every PMC is required to name a primary and backup delegate, and to ensure that one delegate attends the meeting.
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| DTP: | |
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| Eclipse: | Dani Megert | |
| Modeling: | |
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| Mylyn: | |
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| RT: | Christian Campo | Tom Watson |
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| Technology: | Gunnar Wagenknecht | Wayne Beaton |
| Tools: | Doug Schaefer | |
| WTP: | Carl Anderson | |
| LocationTech: | Jim Hughes | |
| IoT: | |